Nader asks if Obama will be "Uncle Tom"
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peeps that follow Nader have no reason to complain about the peeps that follow Obama with the respect to "drinking the koolaid"the Minions0
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Time for Nader to warm up to the Dems or go away. His gig isn't working out for him. I'm just talking about him as a presidential candidate. I like his other work like him as a consumer advocate.West Palm 2000 I & II/West Palm '03/Tampa '03/Kissimmee '04/Vic Theater '07/West Palm '08/Tampa '08/NYC MSG I & II '08/Philly Spectrum III & IV '09/Cleveland '10/Bristow '10/PJ20 I & II 2011/Pensacola '12/Pittsburgh '13/Denver '140
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Wow
That was mistake.0 -
Did Nader apologize yet or is he busy working on his 2012 campaign or maybe his stock portfolio of corporations he bitches against ?0
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Some people complain about the biggest bullshit.
No, Fox was not being "fair" - they never really are "fair" but I'm not even going to get into that. People always love to ignore the big picture and focus on little bullshit like the fact that he said "Uncle Tom" (and I think it's pretty obvious he wasn't being racist, he was just using it as a parallel to Uncle Sam), rather than what his entire point was. For those too ignorant to get his point, it was that Obama has a choice to either be an "Uncle Sam" (who happens to be a tall white guy, but no one gets angry about his using this phrase) and appeal to the true parts of America and do some good, or an "Uncle Tom" and sell out to corporations. It was a VERY valid point, and the fact that some of you actually agree with Fox News' bullshit response to the quote is very sad, and quite absurd.
I respect the fact that Nader is one of the FEW people who is saying that it's not time to celebrate yet, Obama still has to make the choice for how he'll take his presidency. So far, it looks like it's going to shit.0 -
I've got throw my hand in and say I don't have a problem with what Nader said. It was a poor phrase to throw out regardless of how apt the analogy was or how valid the concern is...but that doesn't make him a racist.
It's like if he used the word "niggardly." Intelligent, thoughtful people understand what it means--but a lot of idiots watch television.
In short, Nader isn't a racist...he's an idiot.
(and he does have a point...)0 -
Interesting things Nader said about Obama on Democracy Now this morning....Independent Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader Discusses Future Obama Presidency and Two-Party PoliticsAmy Goodman.....Your thoughts on this election?
RALPH NADER: Thank you, Amy. Well, obviously we all congratulate Barack Obama. We wish him well. But the precursor to his election has not been very encouraging, and he has repeatedly taken up the positions of the corporate supremacists, not just his latest vote for the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, but a whole string of votes and policy positions. He opposes single-payer health insurance. Well, the HMOs and the insurance companies do, too. He wants a bigger military budget. So does the military-industrial complex. His idea of a living wage on his website is $9.50 an hour by 2011. That would make it less than it was in 1968, adjusted for inflation.
He matched McCain in the third debate, belligerent—belligerency for belligerency, toward Russia, toward Iran, more soldiers in Afghanistan, supporting the Israeli military repression and occupation and blockade of Gaza and the West Bank. And virtually nothing about 100 million poor people in this country. That’s why I really fault him, that he played the Clinton linguistic game by talking constantly about the middle class and not mentioning the word “poor.”
And we expect more of him. And I don’t think he has a public philosophy of where corporations must operate in this country. How? Under what rule of law? Under what regulation? Under what vulnerability to litigation in the courts? He’s proud of tort reform, supports the nuclear industry, supports the coal industry. So we’re really talking about just more of the same, in terms of the corporate domination of Washington.
I detected no concern, no quaking of concern, among the drug industry, oil, gas industry, nuclear, coal industry, Wall Street, over his probable election in the last few weeks. Usually, when they’re really worried about a politician, they will issue warnings. But Barack Obama has raised far more money than John McCain from Wall Street interests, corporate interests and, above all, corporate lawyers. And the question to be asked is, why are they investing so much in Barack Obama? Because they believe he’s their man. So, prepare to be disappointed, but keep your hope up.
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g under p wrote:Interesting things Nader said about Obama on Democracy Now this morning....Independent Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader Discusses Future Obama Presidency and Two-Party Politics
Peace
What an Uncle Tom.0 -
_outlaw wrote:Some people complain about the biggest bullshit.
No, Fox was not being "fair" - they never really are "fair" but I'm not even going to get into that. People always love to ignore the big picture and focus on little bullshit like the fact that he said "Uncle Tom" (and I think it's pretty obvious he wasn't being racist, he was just using it as a parallel to Uncle Sam), rather than what his entire point was. For those too ignorant to get his point, it was that Obama has a choice to either be an "Uncle Sam" (who happens to be a tall white guy, but no one gets angry about his using this phrase) and appeal to the true parts of America and do some good, or an "Uncle Tom" and sell out to corporations. It was a VERY valid point, and the fact that some of you actually agree with Fox News' bullshit response to the quote is very sad, and quite absurd.
I respect the fact that Nader is one of the FEW people who is saying that it's not time to celebrate yet, Obama still has to make the choice for how he'll take his presidency. So far, it looks like it's going to shit.
What's absurd is your defending his use of the phrase "Uncle Tom".0 -
g under p wrote:Interesting things Nader said about Obama on Democracy Now this morning....Independent Presidential Candidate Ralph Nader Discusses Future Obama Presidency and Two-Party Politicsflywallyfly wrote:What an Uncle Tom.
I don't believe Uncle Tom but some what Nader said in that interview are true especially about the corporate interests. Like Nader said hope is up that he can make things better we shall certainly. He's under a high powered microscope for sure..
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
let Nadar say what he wants, he's irrelevant, a useless tool who thinks way to highly of himself, that's why no one listens, he's exlcusive, not inclusive."Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)
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nothinghead wrote:It's like if he used the word "niggardly." Intelligent, thoughtful people understand what it means--but a lot of idiots watch television.
The difference with that ridiculous "niggardly" blowup was that the word "niggardly" is unrelated to the word "nigger" - it just sounds similar. Some uneducated folks didn't care about things like "definitions" and over-reacted based upon how it sounded. (Didn't that guy actually apologize, or lose his job?? Good grief.)
On the other hand, Nader used the phrase "Uncle Tom" in exactly the manner that it's commonly understood. There's no miscommunication or alternate meanings here. Granted, its current meaning has been twisted from Stowe's original character but I don't think anyone believes that Nader was referring to Stowe's original character, do they? He was using it in its one and only current context which is:
"Uncle Tom is a pejorative for a black person who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures...It is commonly used to describe black people whose political views or allegiances are considered by their critics as detrimental to blacks as a group."nothinghead wrote:In short, Nader isn't a racist...he's an idiot.
I have no idea whether he's a racist or not. Agree that the statement was idiotic.
I even agree with the whole sentiment re: corporate interests and lobbying but he could've stated it without resorting to that stupid soundbite.michelle
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Smartypants wrote:On the other hand, Nader used the phrase "Uncle Tom" in exactly the manner that it's commonly understood. There's no miscommunication or alternate meanings here. Granted, it's current meaning has been twisted form Stowe's original character but I don't think anyone believes that that Nader was referring to Stowe's original character, do they? He was using it in its one and only current context which is:
"Uncle Tom is a pejorative for a black person who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures...It is commonly used to describe black people whose political views or allegiances are considered by their critics as detrimental to blacks as a group."
See, I don't believe that was the context he was using Uncle Tom--which, yes, means he was using it in the wrong context. Hence why he's an idiot. While it is certainly a racial term, he seemed to be using it more as a synonym for "sell out." That Obama, who supposedly isn't in the pocket of large business interests, may be/will be prone to pandering to them.
And also, yeah, my original analogy sucked.0 -
nothinghead wrote:See, I don't believe that was the context he was using Uncle Tom--which, yes, means he was using it in the wrong context. Hence why he's an idiot.
Hmm, interesting angle. You know, I don't watch the guy enough to know if he's possibly just that clueless or if he could actually be racist, as some say. Maybe he really does think it's a synonym for "sellout"
:sigh:michelle
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jimed14 wrote:Shep Smith is becomming my favorite Fox news guy ... love his reaction ..
"really? ................ Ralph Nadar ........................... what was that?"
I am SO ficking glad I didn't vote for Nadar, what a fucking doosh.
You can make a point, but that's NOT the way to do it.
What a disrepectful mother fucker the day after the election.
My favorite Shep moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rnX9vJrn9o
Another good fox one
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Uncle Tom is a pejorative for a black person who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures, or as seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation. The term Uncle Tom comes from the title character of Harriet Beecher Stowe's novel Uncle Tom's Cabin, although there is debate over whether the character himself is deserving of the pejorative attributed to him. Stowe never meant Uncle Tom to be a degrading character, but the term as a pejorative has developed based on how later versions of the character, stripped of his strength, were depicted on stage.[1]
It is commonly used to describe black people whose political views or allegiances are considered by their critics as detrimental to blacks as a group.
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On November 4, 2008, in an interview with Fox News' Shepard Smith regarding an interview presidential candidate Ralph Nader did earlier in the day for Houston radio station KTRH, Nader challenged Barack Obama saying, "To put it very simply, he is our first African-American president. And we wish him well. But his choice, basically, is whether he is going to be Uncle Sam for this country, or Uncle Tom for the giant corporations". Smith asked Nader "I just wonder if in hindsight you wished you'd used a phrase other than Uncle Tom?" to which Nader replied, "Not at all.", continuing with a query posed to Smith "Do you know what the historic..." before Smith cut him off and closed the segment.[10]
Ralph Nader used the term Uncle Tom when he stated that President Obama would need to ask himself the question whether he is an Uncle Sam or Uncle Tom for the nation.
All from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom - but you can see the original references under, yep, ReferencesWalking can be a real trip
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Smellyman wrote:My favorite Shep moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rnX9vJrn9o
Another good fox one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb2DWQHHqvA&feature=related
Thanks for those! Now I'm going to bed laughing...michelle
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From Webster:
Main Entry:
Uncle Tom
Etymology:
Uncle Tom, pious and faithful black slave in Uncle Tom's Cabin (1851–52) by Harriet Beecher Stowe
Date:
1922
1 : a black who is overeager to win the approval of whites (as by obsequious behavior or uncritical acceptance of white values and goals)
2 : a member of a low-status group who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority <the worst floor managers and supervisors by far are women…Some of them are regular Uncle Toms — Jane Fonda>0 -
Smartypants wrote:Maybe he really does think it's a synonym for "sellout"beachdweller wrote:let Nadar say what he wants, he's irrelevant, a useless tool who thinks way to (sic) highly of himself, that's why no one listens, he's exlcusive, not inclusive.0
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Nader is an activist. This is what he does. He makes bold proclamations, issues challenges, gets his name in the limelight, gets his cause some attention. This is who he is. He’s done it for the last fifty years. He’ll do it until he dies.
The statement was dumb and unneccessary. Nader has a knack for saying dumb things. He’s an activist. He’s not a politician. He’s not a coalition-builder. He has a strategy but no tactics. He does not play well with others. He’s not sensitive, he's not nice and he comes across as a cranky old man. The saddest thing is, Ralph should be remembered for his great consumer advocacy, but for some reason he seems hell bent on destroying his own legacy.
If Nader wants to attack Obama for being a sell-out, then he should’ve used the word “sell-out.” He’d be wrong (as he almost always is lately), but it would convey his idea waaaaaaaay more effectively. Instead he chose a smear specifically directed at Obama’s race. When faux news thinks that’s a low blow, its a low blow, but the faux news people are the worst fucking hypocrites to be the ones calling him on it, though. Sad. I don't need some Fox slimeball to tell me what's right.
Obama, not Nader, built a progressive, grassroots organization that took on and ended eight years of despicable Republican rule. Obama, not Nader, encouraged the highest turnout of young voters in a hundred years. Obama, not Nader, now leads a nation. He is the President-elect, and now, without question, he is my President.
How does one go from being a great hero to a sore loser who results to using deragatory statements to express how he feels?
Bitter much Ralph?0
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