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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it may get turned to rubble but then we get to pay investors and friends of the administration to rebuild it!

    freedom don't come cheap

    dude, they're creating jobs. created walls get broken down to be built up again. americans need jobs...war creates jobs. go war!
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  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    as I said...

    http://www.cnn.com/virtual/editions/europe/2000/roof/change.pop/frameset.exclude.html

    iran is the next play
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Last Exodus wrote:
    as I said...

    http://www.cnn.com/virtual/editions/europe/2000/roof/change.pop/frameset.exclude.html

    iran is the next play

    can i get text on this? it's not opening for me.
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I don't think Iranians want their country torn apart by war nor do I think it's our place to decide who gets democracy and at what terms. They can do that for themselves when they are ready.

    If we DO bomb Iran, it won't be to "spread democracy". I dont even think the American Govt. would try to sell it as such. If we end up bombing them, it'll be because if we don't, they are going to attack us or some other country first. As stated, showing the "best a country has to offer" to "put a face on the 'enemy'" is insulting our intelligence.

    If I posted a link with photos set to music featuring Iranian militants chanting "death to America" and "death to Israel, or of Iranian terrorist cells beheading civilians, or any of the other stuff that happens in Iran just as frequently as what your link showed, would you accept it as "putting a face on the enemy"? Or would you be just as quick to chalk it up to "right wing Neo-facist propaganda"? Be honest. ;)
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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    PaperPlates wrote:
    If we end up bombing them, it'll be because if we don't, they are going to attack us or some other country first.

    because they have WMD and are an imminent threat to the U.S. . . . that story again . . . it's grown tired . . .
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    because they have WMD and are an imminent threat to the U.S. . . . that story again . . . it's grown tired . . .

    And yours is fresh and original, and not at all dated or invalid. ;)

    You'd rather wait until they aquire WMD, and become a current threat or better yet a threat that has come to fruition, rather than solve the problem before it becomes one. You can have your way of dealing with it, the people in the Govt. and the other people who live in reality have ours. Good luck with your plan, or lack thereof.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    PaperPlates wrote:
    If we DO bomb Iran, it won't be to "spread democracy". I dont even think the American Govt. would try to sell it as such. If we end up bombing them, it'll be because if we don't, they are going to attack us or some other country first. As stated, showing the "best a country has to offer" to "put a face on the 'enemy'" is insulting our intelligence.

    Attacking someone so they don't attack anyone first sounds like the reasoning of a 5 year old.

    PaperPlates wrote:
    If I posted a link with photos set to music featuring Iranian militants chanting "death to America" and "death to Israel, or of Iranian terrorist cells beheading civilians, or any of the other stuff that happens in Iran just as frequently as what your link showed, would you accept it as "putting a face on the enemy"? Or would you be just as quick to chalk it up to "right wing Neo-facist propaganda"? Be honest. ;)

    I'd be smart enough to realize that this group of people are in the extreme minority and have no real power.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Attacking someone so they don't attack anyone first sounds like the reasoning of a 5 year old.
    Or a realist.




    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'd be smart enough to realize that this group of people are in the extreme minority and have no real power.

    No real power, which is why they resort to suitcase bombs, train bombs, IED's, suicide bombers, and using airplanes as missiles.

    Oh they have power alright. They are just as able to cause death and destruction as we are, they simply have different motives, and different targets.


    But why account for that, let's just ignore them, they are only a small minority. ;) An extreme minority who was large enough majority to vote in their "president". Who, in case you forgot, wants to and wishes for the destruction of the USA, and a few other countries that its risky to mention around here. :p
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Attacking someone so they don't attack anyone first sounds like the reasoning of a 5 year old.
    True. Not to mention if I felt fearful and worried that someone down the street from me were going to kill me, and I planned to kill them first, I'd be looked at as crazy. And my plans to kill my neighbour would be looked upon as premeditation to commit murder, which is very different from self-defense.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    PaperPlates wrote:
    No real power, which is why they resort to suitcase bombs, train bombs, IED's, suicide bombers, and using airplanes as missiles.

    Oh they have power alright. They are just as able to cause death and destruction as we are, they simply have different motives, and different targets.


    But why account for that, let's just ignore them, they are only a small minority. ;) An extreme minority who was large enough majority to vote in their "president". Who, in case you forgot, wants to and wishes for the destruction of the USA, and a few other countries that its risky to mention around here. :p

    So we might attack them because of words? Because of a small group of individuals who carry out these isolated bombings? Why should the whole population have to be torn apart by war in an attempt to control these guys? Bombing countries hasn't stopped them yet...it has only served to recruit more for their cause. What has their president done to us to justify an attack?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    angelica wrote:
    True. Not to mention if I felt fearful and worried that someone down the street from me were going to kill me, and I planned to kill them first, I'd be looked at as crazy. And my plans to kill my neighbour would be looked upon as premeditation to commit murder, which is very different from self-defense.

    Exactly!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    PaperPlates wrote:
    And yours is fresh and original, and not at all dated or invalid. ;)

    You'd rather wait until they aquire WMD, and become a current threat or better yet a threat that has come to fruition, rather than solve the problem before it becomes one. You can have your way of dealing with it, the people in the Govt. and the other people who live in reality have ours. Good luck with your plan, or lack thereof.

    i didn't offer up a theory for war...or against war...solving a problem before there IS a problem is called a CRIME...where there is no problem evident, there is no need for a plan.
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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    angelica wrote:
    True. Not to mention if I felt fearful and worried that someone down the street from me were going to kill me, and I planned to kill them first, I'd be looked at as crazy. And my plans to kill my neighbour would be looked upon as premeditation to commit murder, which is very different from self-defense.

    well, we could test it...call it the "u.s. presidential administration 2000-present defense"
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  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    no, no, no! i have long said that bush foes should shut up because that vote came in the electorate spoke their mind. they want to cry election foul. i don't care. this is the system...this is what you get. but, REMEMBER...it's not 51% of the country...it's 51% of the voting population, which, in comparision to the total population, was only about 11% of the population.
    no argument. id love to know how many of these complaining MT'er made it to the polls.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    can i get text on this? it's not opening for me.
    Sorry. Ill try later. Basically an article about Bush green lighting ligthing up Iranian operatives in Iraq and warning them, yadda, yadda.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Or a realist.







    No real power, which is why they resort to suitcase bombs, train bombs, IED's, suicide bombers, and using airplanes as missiles.

    Oh they have power alright. They are just as able to cause death and destruction as we are, they simply have different motives, and different targets.


    But why account for that, let's just ignore them, they are only a small minority. ;) An extreme minority who was large enough majority to vote in their "president". Who, in case you forgot, wants to and wishes for the destruction of the USA, and a few other countries that its risky to mention around here. :p
    Iran already has medium range guided missiles, a crazy fuck leader, and the desire for nukes. Nuff said. Bombs a fucking way.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So we might attack them because of words? Because of a small group of individuals who carry out these isolated bombings? Why should the whole population have to be torn apart by war in an attempt to control these guys? Bombing countries hasn't stopped them yet...it has only served to recruit more for their cause. What has their president done to us to justify an attack?

    Maybe if that innocent population would rid their nation of these "small groups of individuals", then we wouldnt feel the need nor obligation to weigh the benefit of killing many to get the few. We have crazy ass radicals here in the USA too, and when they bomb an abortion clinic, or shoot up a school, or murder people, we rid our society of them. We incarcerate or put them to death. Over there, they are more like martyr's and heroes. How can you not see the difference? And as far as their president, his words may be only words to you, but just like in real life, sometimes when you run your mouth too much, you get bitchslapped. And his mouth is always running.
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Iran already has medium range guided missiles, a crazy fuck leader, and the desire for nukes. Nuff said. Bombs a fucking way.


    What he said.
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,018
    nuke em.........
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    nuke em.........

    Now speedy, thats not nice. ;)


    Sup buddy?
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