Iran Today

SPEEDY MCCREADY

PaperPlates wrote:

Now speedy, thats not nice.


Sup buddy?

its been all about DA BEARS here in chicago these last couple weeks....

lookin forward to the SUPER BOWL.....

ThumbingMyWay32

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Sadly if they were black and poor, Americans wouldn't give a shit...

I'd absolutely love for you to elaborate a little more about this.

angelica

Last Exodus wrote:

Iran already has medium range guided missiles, a crazy fuck leader, and the desire for nukes. Nuff said. Bombs a fucking way.

Based on your standard, doesn't that make America the country to go for? Bombs away.

trappedinmyradio

Last Exodus wrote:

Sorry. Ill try later. Basically an article about Bush green lighting ligthing up Iranian operatives in Iraq and warning them, yadda, yadda.

well, the fact is, the u.s. is at war (with whom exactly, i am not sure) and if there are people inside the war-zone who are fueling, aiding, assisting an insurgency, then they need to be dealt with as long as the u.s. is going to maintain troops there. so, if iranian operatives are there, then i say, "light 'em up." why? not because i love war, but because i believe, since we started this thing, that this needs to be finished...completed...accomplished. this might seem contrary to my beliefs against the war...well, i am against the reasoning behind this war. but, my opposition does not change the fact the that war is happening. so, i want minimized death on all sides of the equation...the more insurgecy groups get in aid and assistance, the more death will occur on both sides.

Purple Hawk

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

So we might attack them because of words? Because of a small group of individuals who carry out these isolated bombings? Why should the whole population have to be torn apart by war in an attempt to control these guys? Bombing countries hasn't stopped them yet...it has only served to recruit more for their cause. What has their president done to us to justify an attack?

I'm really glad you posted this b/c it's the most important thing in the world right now, as far as I'm concerned.

I am with you b/c I think we can all identify with the youth of Iran.

At the same time, Their "president" IS beyond talking to. He doesn't represent the people. So how is this resolved? He wants Israel to disappear, and is pursuing nukes. My honest opinion is that he would NEVER comply with any treaty we could write up. I believe his words. I think that's all you have, is what people do and what they say. But you bring up a good point, there are so many potential victims, innocent Iranians who are not unlike ourselves.

Again, as of now, I don't think anyone's advocating an attack, but the world will become seriously FUBAR if they get a nuke, and potentially millions will die.

either way, it's a scary scenerio

El_Kabong

angelica wrote:

True. Not to mention if I felt fearful and worried that someone down the street from me were going to kill me, and I planned to kill them first, I'd be looked at as crazy. And my plans to kill my neighbour would be looked upon as premeditation to commit murder, which is very different from self-defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M2EyCeInBw

Last Exodus

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

its been all about DA BEARS here in chicago these last couple weeks....

lookin forward to the SUPER BOWL.....

er...NUKE EM

Last Exodus

angelica wrote:

Based on your standard, doesn't that make America the country to go for? Bombs away.

My standard ey? I guess the UN, IAEE, EU and everyone else that is calling for Iran to stop weapons production isnt enough? We all know the UN's track record in disarmament. They dont have one. Sadly, were the only country on earth with the balls to step up.

Last Exodus

trappedinmyradio wrote:

well, the fact is, the u.s. is at war (with whom exactly, i am not sure) and if there are people inside the war-zone who are fueling, aiding, assisting an insurgency, then they need to be dealt with as long as the u.s. is going to maintain troops there. so, if iranian operatives are there, then i say, "light 'em up." why? not because i love war, but because i believe, since we started this thing, that this needs to be finished...completed...accomplished. this might seem contrary to my beliefs against the war...well, i am against the reasoning behind this war. but, my opposition does not change the fact the that war is happening. so, i want minimized death on all sides of the equation...the more insurgecy groups get in aid and assistance, the more death will occur on both sides.

The Iraqi Army was defeated along time ago. The insurgents are getting their bombs from somewhere...That somewhere is Iran. So they already are the enemy. If they are killing American soldiers, then they're in it. Fuck em

Last Exodus

Purple Hawk wrote:

I'm really glad you posted this b/c it's the most important thing in the world right now, as far as I'm concerned.

I am with you b/c I think we can all identify with the youth of Iran.

At the same time, Their "president" IS beyond talking to. He doesn't represent the people. So how is this resolved? He wants Israel to disappear, and is pursuing nukes. My honest opinion is that he would NEVER comply with any treaty we could write up. I believe his words. I think that's all you have, is what people do and what they say. But you bring up a good point, there are so many potential victims, innocent Iranians who are not unlike ourselves.

Again, as of now, I don't think anyone's advocating an attack, but the world will become seriously FUBAR if they get a nuke, and potentially millions will die.

either way, it's a scary scenerio

FUBAR it already is.

Kann

Last Exodus wrote:

My standard ey? I guess the UN, IAEE, EU and everyone else that is calling for Iran to stop weapons production isnt enough? We all know the UN's track record in disarmament. They dont have one. Sadly, were the only country on earth with the balls to step up.

Well it's kind of hard to have a record when the UN are asked to leave the country, really fast please, for the invasion of the decade. But I guess everyone juste forgot the UN actually had the work under control but the US just bypassed everything unilaterally (and illegally) to go to war.

Either way I hope the usa still have a lot of time and money if the intend to bomb Iran. Having war in 3 countries at a time, and having to rebuild them is a long and costly job.

angelica

Last Exodus wrote:

My standard ey? I guess the UN, IAEE, EU and everyone else that is calling for Iran to stop weapons production isnt enough? We all know the UN's track record in disarmament. They dont have one. Sadly, were the only country on earth with the balls to step up.

Calling to stop weapons production is one thing, saying "Nuff said. Bombs a fucking way", you are showing your true cards. And you are showing a mindset that is extremist, dangerous, irresponsible and irrational, imho. Fortunately you do not represent the heart of America. When the average American is so permeated with fear that they are unable to think straight, and therefore entitle themselves to mindlessly kill anyone that poses a challenge, well then we've got a country whose days are truly numbered. The pride cometh before the fall.

angelica

El_Kabong wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M2EyCeInBw

That is hysterical. And on the other hand, profoundly disturbing for it's accuracy. :( Thanks for sharing!

mammasan

PaperPlates wrote:

And yours is fresh and original, and not at all dated or invalid.

You'd rather wait until they aquire WMD, and become a current threat or better yet a threat that has come to fruition, rather than solve the problem before it becomes one. You can have your way of dealing with it, the people in the Govt. and the other people who live in reality have ours. Good luck with your plan, or lack thereof.

I just want to play devl's advocate here but you are proposing a preeminent strike. Eliminate the threat before it materializes. Well doesn't it seem to you that this is what Iran is doing. I don't want to see Iran with a nuclear weapon anymore than you do, but by advocating pre-eminent strikes we have basically opened Pandora's box for anyone else to follow suit.

El_Kabong

Last Exodus wrote:

My standard ey? I guess the UN, IAEE, EU and everyone else that is calling for Iran to stop weapons production isnt enough? We all know the UN's track record in disarmament. They dont have one. Sadly, were the only country on earth with the balls to step up.

um, didn't the US break the nuclear non proliferation treaty ourselves? didn't we refuse to sign another unless there were NO inspections for us? did the UN publish 2 reports outlining why DU weapons should be banned? didn't the UN repeatedly tell Israel to stop occupying land not theres, stop building fences on land not theres...?

it's funny how ppl like you use the UN when it justifies your point, suddenly they are someone to be taken serioulsy...but when it comes to the UN saying anything to us or Israel then it's like 'who the fuck are they to tell us what to do!?!?'

do as you say, not as you do, eh?

Last Exodus

Kann wrote:

Well it's kind of hard to have a record when the UN are asked to leave the country, really fast please, for the invasion of the decade. But I guess everyone juste forgot the UN actually had the work under control but the US just bypassed everything unilaterally (and illegally) to go to war.

Either way I hope the usa still have a lot of time and money if the intend to bomb Iran. Having war in 3 countries at a time, and having to rebuild them is a long and costly job.

I tend to disagree a little. The UN was kicked out of Iraq more times then Ive been kicked off this board! And Iran is doing it now. If they have nothing to hide, and their purpose is energy, then open the doors. But we all know they are not up to any good, and the more time they have to complete their work the more dangerous the world and the region will become.

Unlike Iraq WE KNOW Iran is working vigourously on bomb production and we know they are hostile to use. In my view, we should have gone after them and not Iraq to begin with. But George W fucked up. Cant change that now. But Iran with a nuke is unaccetable. They are exporting terror already. Nothing to stop them from exporting one nuke to bad guys who mean us harm. If you think that cant happen, your living in fantasyland.

I think a military strike, for the record, should be the last option. But at some point you have tro call bullshit.

Last Exodus

angelica wrote:

Calling to stop weapons production is one thing, saying "Nuff said. Bombs a fucking way", you are showing your true cards. And you are showing a mindset that is extremist, dangerous, irresponsible and irrational, imho. Fortunately you do not represent the heart of America. When the average American is so permeated with fear that they are unable to think straight, and therefore entitle themselves to mindlessly kill anyone that poses a challenge, well then we've got a country whose days are truly numbered. The pride cometh before the fall.

The hell I dont. Try reading some polls. The average american doesnt want to end up becoming an Islamic french fry because we didnt stop third world crazies from developing nukes. BTW - are you even american>?

Last Exodus

El_Kabong wrote:

um, didn't the US break the nuclear non proliferation treaty ourselves? didn't we refuse to sign another unless there were NO inspections for us? did the UN publish 2 reports outlining why DU weapons should be banned? didn't the UN repeatedly tell Israel to stop occupying land not theres, stop building fences on land not theres...?

it's funny how ppl like you use the UN when it justifies your point, suddenly they are someone to be taken serioulsy...but when it comes to the UN saying anything to us or Israel then it's like 'who the fuck are they to tell us what to do!?!?'

do as you say, not as you do, eh?

Read before speaking. You obviously havent read the treaty. read it and come on back

angelica

Last Exodus wrote:

The hell I dont. Try reading some polls. The average american doesnt want to end up becoming an Islamic french fry because we didnt stop third world crazies from developing nukes. BTW - are you even american>?

Do you understand that there is a difference between someone being thoughtful, considering their options, being conscientious and coming to a decision, and between someone saying "Nuff said. Bombs a fucking way"? "Bombs away" is the cry of the radical in my mind--someone who is unable to stay centered and balanced while facing tough choices, including given their fear and sense of powerlessness. This person is unable to remain reasonable for those tough choices. As a contrast to that lack of balance for example, we have when Purple Hawk said earlier in this thread:

Purple Hawk wrote:

I'm really glad you posted this b/c it's the most important thing in the world right now, as far as I'm concerned.
I am with you b/c I think we can all identify with the youth of Iran.
At the same time, Their "president" IS beyond talking to. He doesn't represent the people. So how is this resolved? He wants Israel to disappear, and is pursuing nukes. My honest opinion is that he would NEVER comply with any treaty we could write up. I believe his words. I think that's all you have, is what people do and what they say. But you bring up a good point, there are so many potential victims, innocent Iranians who are not unlike ourselves.
Again, as of now, I don't think anyone's advocating an attack, but the world will become seriously FUBAR if they get a nuke, and potentially millions will die.
either way, it's a scary scenerio

I can see that this is reasoned and intelligent and valid and REAL-istic, given the concerns and fears he has. As I said earlier, if the majority takes your approach rather than Purple Hawk's approach, then I see America as a country heading for a big fall, being perched on a cracked foundation of fallacy, delusions, and lack of reason. At this point, I have faith in the American people, considering what's been going down these few years. I hope I'm not proven wrong.

PaperPlates

mammasan wrote:

I just want to play devl's advocate here but you are proposing a preeminent strike. Eliminate the threat before it materializes. Well doesn't it seem to you that this is what Iran is doing. I don't want to see Iran with a nuclear weapon anymore than you do, but by advocating pre-eminent strikes we have basically opened Pandora's box for anyone else to follow suit.

once again, the difference being we will target MILITARY targets, and Iran will target..............well, you know.


But we're the same, arent we?