Iran Today
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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WAR...hugh...what is it good for...ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN'!
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i think the photo montage is more about attacking the "they hate our way of life..." rhetoric
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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I could take some nice pictures in Compton, too. There is a progressive movement in Iran, and perhaps these pictures helped to highlight areas within that movement. The bottom line is that Iran is far from the place this hippie propaganda make it out to be. Have you ever searched for breathtaking pictures from North Korea? Try it sometime, there are plenty out there. Guess that's a beautiful, freedom loving nation too, eh?
Take pictures anywhere you'd like...those people will deserve to have peaceful lives not torn by war, as well. This is an attempt to put a face with the 'enemy' that some are all too quick to be against and forget all about these people living lives much like their own. Most people love freedom, beauty and peace.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I completely agree...except for the fact that they voted for that fucking lunatic president they have.
Do you remember that let down after the '04 election when Gdub won again? Do you remember how frustrated you were? Do you remember all the times that we've all said that Gdub is sinking this country and inciting terrorism? Do you not feel that we, by extension of voting for Gdub, deserve the negative connotation that our country's name earned? Do we demonstrate on a daily basis? Do we have the right to speak our displeasure through blogs, make fun of this administration through all forms of media, do all that we can to deflect HIS irresponsibility away from ourselves? I'd say we do. Can Iranians say the same?
When they demonstrate they're arrested. There are no satirical portrayals of their fucking nutcase president because it's not allowed. You think that those well-to-do Iranians captured in those glowing pictures agree and/or voted for that dipshit? Probably not, but by the same train of thought, they want change as well yet are powerless to do so. They don't have the ability to take small, calculated steps to change their society. Unlike America, even the smallest of those steps are quickly squashed by the government.
Unlike Iraq, where there was a VERY small itch for revolution, Iran has been on the brink of revolution for years. They do not hold several different religious sects like Iraq does. An attack on Iran to unseat their government, imo, would be a much less bloody affair than Iraq.
I don't think Iranians want their country torn apart by war nor do I think it's our place to decide who gets democracy and at what terms. They can do that for themselves when they are ready.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Obviously. Any time they want.
Those looked like some pretty "westernized" groups of people, hardly the type who deny the holocaust, believe in Jihad, fund Hezbollah, arm Iraqi insurgents, and want to wipe all things "western" off the face of the earth....yet that's exactly what their government stands for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxIT4b6b76Q
Yeah well 51% of our country voted in our lunatic. You cant really look to an Iranian election as being any more reliable than ours can you? From what I here, the average Iranian in the street has no problem with Americans. Id actually considered travelling there to find out. I think Ahamadinajad is the problem. Not Iran the nation. Let's not make the same mistake twice. We can accomplish our task in Iran with one bullet and one airstrike. Done.
Man, that's my point. Iran just needs a nudge and we just might be the country that can give them that nudge. Iraq has/had so many ancillary problems that were hidden beneath the wretchedness that was Saddam Hussein. We were blinded by Saddam and ignored the deep-rooted problems which his despotism held in check. It wasn't until we ousted him from power did those understated concerns rise to the forefront. In Iran, those ancillary issues are not nearly as persistent. Even with the fall of their theocratic democracy (or whatever the hell you wanna call that gaggle of a government) there would still be issues between hardliner theocrats and progressive liberals, but those divisions are found in nearly every nation, even well-functioning democracies.
Also, I agree with what you said about Bush and I tried to touch on that earlier. Here in the states, and in other free nations, dissatisfaction with the government can be voiced proudly and, ideally, can make a difference. The congressional slaughter of the GOP last November, the most vicious attack on an American political party since 1980, is a fine example of how our voices can force change. Iranians do not have that choice. They do vote for officials but the supreme power is held by the theocratic branch of their government. There is nothing the people can do to rid themselves of them outside of a violent revolt. I think the Iranians are ready. I think that the predictions of streets lined with cheering citizens was misplaced in regards to Iraq; those predictions would be much more apt when discussing intervention in a country prime for revolution like Iran.
...after the priest council excluded every and all candidates with an inkling of a reformist or progressive bone in their body. You got a field of regime supporting theocrats, then that's what you'll get. And from what I remember there were worse options than ahmadinejad for president. He ran his campaign on being a popular mayor who swore to help the weakest and so on.
Just saying. Them voting in ahmadinejad (after having most other candidates removed from the race) is not a free ticket to bomb and invade.
I also think that they could use a nudge, but bombs aren't a nudge.
Peace
Dan
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But that won't happen. Personally I don't think George W is sticking it out in Iraq anymore because of Iraq. Hey, he hung Saddam high last month. He can take the cavalry and ride out. But that leaves a huge power vacuum that Ahmadnijad is ready to jump into. It's no coincidence we are moving another carrier group off the shores of Iran at the same time were sending 20,000 more troops and raiding Iranian consulates in Iraq. The play is on Iran now.
If we leave now, we are totally fucked. Nothing to stop a super Iran from happening which would border Saudi Arabia and force us to come back for Gulf War 3 in a few years. So we don't have a fucking choice. Yes, we created the vacuum, and we are responsible. That's the biggest reason we have to stay. But it's optimistic to think we have the ability to force regime change in Iran right now. They will have to take that on themselves. At best, take out Natanz, reinforce the border with Iraq, and hope for the best. If they fuck with us, we have 3-400 planes in range of Tehran.
it may get turned to rubble but then we get to pay investors and friends of the administration to rebuild it!
freedom don't come cheap
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, no, no! i have long said that bush foes should shut up because that vote came in the electorate spoke their mind. they want to cry election foul. i don't care. this is the system...this is what you get. but, REMEMBER...it's not 51% of the country...it's 51% of the voting population, which, in comparision to the total population, was only about 11% of the population.
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dude, they're creating jobs. created walls get broken down to be built up again. americans need jobs...war creates jobs. go war!
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http://www.cnn.com/virtual/editions/europe/2000/roof/change.pop/frameset.exclude.html
iran is the next play
can i get text on this? it's not opening for me.
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If we DO bomb Iran, it won't be to "spread democracy". I dont even think the American Govt. would try to sell it as such. If we end up bombing them, it'll be because if we don't, they are going to attack us or some other country first. As stated, showing the "best a country has to offer" to "put a face on the 'enemy'" is insulting our intelligence.
If I posted a link with photos set to music featuring Iranian militants chanting "death to America" and "death to Israel, or of Iranian terrorist cells beheading civilians, or any of the other stuff that happens in Iran just as frequently as what your link showed, would you accept it as "putting a face on the enemy"? Or would you be just as quick to chalk it up to "right wing Neo-facist propaganda"? Be honest.
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because they have WMD and are an imminent threat to the U.S. . . . that story again . . . it's grown tired . . .
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And yours is fresh and original, and not at all dated or invalid.
You'd rather wait until they aquire WMD, and become a current threat or better yet a threat that has come to fruition, rather than solve the problem before it becomes one. You can have your way of dealing with it, the people in the Govt. and the other people who live in reality have ours. Good luck with your plan, or lack thereof.
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Attacking someone so they don't attack anyone first sounds like the reasoning of a 5 year old.
I'd be smart enough to realize that this group of people are in the extreme minority and have no real power.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No real power, which is why they resort to suitcase bombs, train bombs, IED's, suicide bombers, and using airplanes as missiles.
Oh they have power alright. They are just as able to cause death and destruction as we are, they simply have different motives, and different targets.
But why account for that, let's just ignore them, they are only a small minority.
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So we might attack them because of words? Because of a small group of individuals who carry out these isolated bombings? Why should the whole population have to be torn apart by war in an attempt to control these guys? Bombing countries hasn't stopped them yet...it has only served to recruit more for their cause. What has their president done to us to justify an attack?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde