8 palestinians for every 1 israeli

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  • Posts: 10,118
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Well said. Of course Palestine will take more casualties since they are the weaker side. They put children on the front lines so of course more Palestinian children will die (it is Palestine's intention).


    of course it is. they use women and children as shields. this is nothing new in their war tactics.
  • Posts: 1,146
    NCfan wrote:
    So in June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.
    You can't start a war and then call foul when your side loses!
    :)

    On a more serious tone, I think that the key word in Byrnzie's post is illegal, as the occupation of the territories are illegal under UN resolutions. Now, it's always possible to claim that the UN should just shut up for once but that would just end the debate. And what the hell, let's just say that the UN represents order and justice in the world, and that the security council is something that has helped, not always efficiently, to prevent huge conflicts. If you want that UN to work you have to obey it's laws.
    Well said. Of course Palestine will take more casualties since they are the weaker side. They put children on the front lines so of course more Palestinian children will die (it is Palestine's intention).
    Far from me the idea of putting words into your mouth but are you actually saying that Palestinians generally like chaos, war and death along with killing children? Kind of like communists? If it's the case it's a stupid way of thinking, always assume that the other side wants dignity, peace and food (not necessarily in that order) and you'll have a start to stopping this mess.
  • Posts: 182
    "children as shields" ...shit

    where are the leaders of palestinian groups supposed to live?
    their capital ?
    Their statehouse?
    Their military bases?

    they got nothin'
    they live in apartments
    so they are accused of "using human shields" when the IDF drops american made 5k lb. bombs on civilians

    good for you and your god


    god is for idiots and a reasonable justification for stealing someones land , obviously
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • Posts: 945
    "If the Arab Muslims put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel."
  • Posts: 182
    NCfan wrote:
    "If the Arab Muslims put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel."


    f

    i really can't argue with that one
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • Posts: 945
    Kann wrote:
    :)

    On a more serious tone, I think that the key word in Byrnzie's post is illegal, as the occupation of the territories are illegal under UN resolutions. Now, it's always possible to claim that the UN should just shut up for once but that would just end the debate. And what the hell, let's just say that the UN represents order and justice in the world, and that the security council is something that has helped, not always efficiently, to prevent huge conflicts. If you want that UN to work you have to obey it's laws.


    Far from me the idea of putting words into your mouth but are you actually saying that Palestinians generally like chaos, war and death along with killing children? Kind of like communists? If it's the case it's a stupid way of thinking, always assume that the other side wants dignity, peace and food (not necessarily in that order) and you'll have a start to stopping this mess.

    I'm not bashing the UN. I think overall it is a good organization. But in this particular instance you have to look a little closer. In the summer of 1967 there was a United Nations Emergency Force on the Sinai Peninsula to prevent a military conflict from breaking out again between Egypt and Isreal. Egypt kicked them out in June, and publicly called for unified Arab action against Israel. So I wouldn't be so quick to call Isreal's actions "illegal", just because the UN says so.
  • Posts: 1,146
    NCfan wrote:
    I'm not bashing the UN. I think overall it is a good organization. But in this particular instance you have to look a little closer. In the summer of 1967 there was a United Nations Emergency Force on the Sinai Peninsula to prevent a military conflict from breaking out again between Egypt and Isreal. Egypt kicked them out in June, and publicly called for unified Arab action against Israel. So I wouldn't be so quick to call Isreal's actions "illegal", just because the UN says so.

    The UN is not an independant entity living in another world. It's policies and laws are dictated by our countries, the resolutions which are voted can always be vetoed by countries of the security council (which includes the usa). So basically, it's not only the UN that said so but a whole lot more countries.
  • Posts: 26,856
    NCfan wrote:
    "If the Arab Muslims put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel."
    isnt that the truth....

    i give you "THE SPEEDY GOLD STAR"
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • Posts: 3,527
    NCfan wrote:
    "If the Arab Muslims put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel."

    violence comes in many forms ... this statement can't be any further than the truth ... and makes a mockery of the suffering that has occured in that region ...
  • Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    I know someone that has been in Afghanistan and says that what the terrorists are now doing is strapping bombs to children then detonating them in public places from hundreds of yards away to try to kill Allied forces.


    yet, I never hear about these poor children on this site...
  • Posts: 31,600
    this is further proof that peace will neve ever reign in that part of the world they will never ever stop hating eachother ,jews vs arabs this region will bring this world into another major war imo.........
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Posts: 4,141
    Scubascott wrote:
    Would it make the western left happy if the palestinians managed to kill more Israelis and 'even the score'? How would that help the situation?


    of course not, i'm just saying israel and it's supporters need to stop playing the victim card all the damn time when they are killing far more ppl, including children.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Posts: 4,141
    NCfan wrote:
    Why does Israel have to withdrawl to those old borders???

    By 1967 Israel had already been attacked 2 times in the past 20 years by their Arab neighbors - neighbors who still called for the destruction of their country.

    In the months before June 1967, Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force from the Sinai Peninsula, increased its military activity near the border, blockaded the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships, and called for unified Arab action against Israel. So in June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.

    In the aftermath, Israel had to take on Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Algeria. That's 7 against 1, and at the war's end, Israel had gained control of eastern Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights.

    So the Arab side lost. In the process they lost some of their land. So how far back in time do you want to go redrawing the map of the world? This has happened from the begining of time! The Palestinians need to get over it if they want to reconcile. You can't start a war and then call foul when your side loses!


    ummm...how can you start a war when the other side attacks pre-emptively?????
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    exactly


    ????
    NCfan wrote:
    So in June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.....

    You can't start a war and then call foul when your side loses!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Posts: 4,141
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Well said. Of course Palestine will take more casualties since they are the weaker side. They put children on the front lines so of course more Palestinian children will die (it is Palestine's intention).


    the front lines of what???? picking strawberries??

    Seven children aged between 10 and 17 were killed and five others seriously wounded in an Israeli air strike as they were picking strawberries in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Lahiya on 4 January.

    the front lines of standing around where a car happened to drive by???

    On 27 October, Karam Mohammed Abu Naji, 14, Salah Said Abu Naji, 15, and Rami Riyad Assaf, 17, were killed when the Israeli army launched an air strike on a car travelling near the Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. As well as the three child bystanders, all four people in the car were killed. Nineteen other bystanders, including seven children, were injured. Two members of a Palestinian armed group were believed to be the intended target.

    the front lines of their farm????

    In March and April, Israeli settlers spread toxic chemicals in fields around Palestinian villages in the southern Hebron Hills and near Salfit. The chemicals were spread in areas where Palestinian farmers graze their sheep, effectively depriving them of their livelihood. The farmers were forced to quarantine their flocks and stop using the milk, cheese and meat during the productive season.


    it seems these israeli soldiers and international peace activists and human rights workers were also placed 'on the front lines', eh?

    On 16 October some 75 acres of olive groves belonging to Palestinian villagers near Salem in the northern West Bank were burned by Israeli settlers. Much of the villagers’ land was cut off from the village by a settlers’ road leading to the nearby Elon Moreh settlement. For years, Israeli settlers from Elon Moreh had prevented Palestinian villagers from accessing their land under threat of attacks. Israeli settlers also attacked Israeli and international peace activists and human rights defenders who sought to document their attacks on Palestinians.

    On 26 September settlers from the Havat Ma’on settlement outpost assaulted Israeli peace activists and a film crew. Ra’anan Alexanderovitch was severely beaten and injured by a settler armed with an M16 assault rifle, and some of the crew’s equipment was stolen by the attackers.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course it is. they use women and children as shields. this is nothing new in their war tactics.

    so this is how you think the children are dying?? by being used as human shields??

    can you plz post some links about this?

    ya know, kinda like this one;

    http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/isr-summary-eng

    ‘Human shields’

    Israeli soldiers continued to use Palestinians as “human shields” during military operations, forcing them to carry out tasks that endangered their lives, despite an injunction by the Israeli High Court banning the practice. A petition against the use of “human shields” submitted by Israeli and Palestinian human rights organizations to the Supreme Court in May 2002 was still pending at the end of 2004.

    In April, Israeli soldiers used 13-year-old Muhammed Badwan as a “human shield” during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Biddu. The soldiers placed the boy on the hood of their jeep and tied him to the front windscreen to discourage Palestinian demonstrators from throwing stones in their direction.

    if the palestinians cared so little about their kids that israel would use them as shields...what would be the purpose of israel doing it? seems like the fact that israel uses palestinians as uman shields should prove they care about their kids
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    of course not, i'm just saying israel and it's supporters need to stop playing the victim card all the damn time when they are killing far more ppl, including children.


    where is your outrage for the palastines using children as shields ?
  • Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    so this is how you think the children are dying?? by being used as human shields??

    can you plz post some links about this?

    ya know, kinda like this one;

    http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/isr-summary-eng

    ‘Human shields’

    Israeli soldiers continued to use Palestinians as “human shields” during military operations, forcing them to carry out tasks that endangered their lives, despite an injunction by the Israeli High Court banning the practice. A petition against the use of “human shields” submitted by Israeli and Palestinian human rights organizations to the Supreme Court in May 2002 was still pending at the end of 2004.

    In April, Israeli soldiers used 13-year-old Muhammed Badwan as a “human shield” during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Biddu. The soldiers placed the boy on the hood of their jeep and tied him to the front windscreen to discourage Palestinian demonstrators from throwing stones in their direction.

    if the palestinians cared so little about their kids that israel would use them as shields...what would be the purpose of israel doing it? seems like the fact that israel uses palestinians as uman shields should prove they care about their kids

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMrug3DJZGQ

    http://www.tzemachdovid.org/Arab_Violence/shield.shtml


    both sides are wrong. you seem to only blame Israel
  • Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    where is your outrage for the palastines using children as shields ?


    i haven't seen any stories stating this, you are more than welcome to post some articles

    if they do it then it is of course horrible.....now, where's your outrage at israel's indiscriminate killing (8:!)??
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Posts: 182
    isn't every israeli required to military service?
    so how are they civilians?
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america

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