There would also be no Palestine (which is already done, there's just "occupied territories" now), Iraq (already done for the most part), no Iran, Syria, Lebanon, or almost any arab nation except the ones that pretty much side with the US on everything like Saudi Arabia even when the US would go into a neighboring country and completely annihilate them.
honestly, that's got to be the most biased statement I've ever seen. Did Iraq start the war with US with their weapons? no. US did. with theirs.
some of you guys act like palestine has nothing to fight for, when some super powers decided to just place a bunch of people in their own lands. and then you go ahead and condemn them for hating big super powers like the US which give money to Israel that they use to kill their civilians.
sure, you can say i'm biased, but it doesn't mean i also support the killing of Israeli civilians. still, nothing israel has done can be justified. from the intifadas to the war with lebanon last year. almost everything they've done has resorted to violence and destruction in the nation. and now they are going completely against the UN (then again, what else is new) and building the wall in palestine.
some of you may call palestine a "yapping dog" and you want someone to "finish the job and kill it" but that's just completely arrogant to say. that's like finding a dying man on the street and instead of calling an ambulance, you take a knife and "finish the job." my similarity is much more realistic seeing as how palestinians ARE people and are NOT dogs.
really, some of you need to work on your morals and ethics because yuo have none.
You have to be kidding me. This is all sour grapes on the part of the Palestinians/arabs. They fucked around with Israel 40 years ago and got their asses handed to them on a silver platter. 21,000 casualties to less than a thousand - even though they outnumbered the Jews at least 6 to 1.
If you know your history, the arab people were promised that Israel was in its "last throes" and was all but ripe for defeat. This is why their losses were so humiliating. People were absolutly stunned. The conflict started out between Eygpt and Israel, and Jordan was specificaly warned to stay the fuck out of the fight. But did they listen... NO they didn't. THEY attacked Israel and got severely whipped. It is becuase of their actions that Israel moved on the West Bank and took that territory over.
Why do they have any more claim to that land than the Israeli's do? The Isrealites were there before the Arabs were!
THE BOTTOM FUCKING LINE IS THIS........ Israel is here to STAY. Nobody is powerfull enough to force them off of their land again, least of all the surround arab states. So get the fuck over it already and talk peace, not war!
You have to be kidding me. This is all sour grapes on the part of the Palestinians/arabs. They fucked around with Israel 40 years ago and got their asses handed to them on a silver platter. 21,000 casualties to less than a thousand - even though they outnumbered the Jews at least 6 to 1.
If you know your history, the arab people were promised that Israel was in its "last throes" and was all but ripe for defeat. This is why their losses were so humiliating. People were absolutly stunned. The conflict started out between Eygpt and Israel, and Jordan was specificaly warned to stay the fuck out of the fight. But did they listen... NO they didn't. THEY attacked Israel and got severely whipped. It is becuase of their actions that Israel moved on the West Bank and took that territory over.
Why do they have any more claim to that land than the Israeli's do? The Isrealites were there before the Arabs were!
THE BOTTOM FUCKING LINE IS THIS........ Israel is here to STAY. Nobody is powerfull enough to force them off of their land again, least of all the surround arab states. So get the fuck over it already and talk peace, not war!
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So, did you even bother responding to what I wrote? Because nothing you are saying could even be considered a response. I'm starting to wonder if you even read what I wrote because what you said has nothing to do with what I said.
I know about the Six Day War but I never mentioned it because it didn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. That was 40 years ago, I'm talking about now. I never said someone was powerful enough to force them off the land, I never said the arab states that surround them would do that. In fact, I was never "talking war." I was just trying to make a point.
I was just merely stating a response to what people say about Palestine and to your ridiculous statement. I don't need a history lesson.
I do agree that they should start talking peace, but to an extent.
Oh, and one more thing. Bringing up the fact that the "Israelites" had the land "before the Arabs" is very childish of you. Does that mean that the Native Americans have the right to declare war on the US to "get back its land" because they were living in the US "before the Americans." And please don't respond with a lame thing like "WELL IF THEY WOULD DECLARE WAR THEY WOULD GET THEIR ASSES KICKED!!1" because that's just stupid. It's just a point, not an actual scenario.
The conflict started out between Eygpt and Israel, and Jordan was specificaly warned to stay the fuck out of the fight. But did they listen... NO they didn't. THEY attacked Israel and got severely whipped. It is becuase of their actions that Israel moved on the West Bank and took that territory over.
The 1967 War and the
Israeli Occupation of the
West Bank and Gaza
Did the Egyptians actually start the 1967 war, as Israel originally claimed?
"The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was 'no threat of destruction' but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could 'exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies.'...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to make: 'In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.' "Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."
Was the 1967 war defenisve?
"I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68
Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights
"Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan stated] 'They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.
And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.'" The New York Times, May 11, 1997
The history of Israeli expansionism
"The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them." David Ben-Gurion, in 1936, quoted in Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."
Expansionism - continued
"The main danger which Israel, as a 'Jewish state', poses to its own people, to other Jews and to its neighbors, is its ideologically motivated pursuit of territorial expansion and the inevitable series of wars resulting from this aim...No zionist politician has ever repudiated Ben-Gurion's idea that Israeli policies must be based (within the limits of practical considerations) on the restoration of Biblical borders as the borders of the Jewish state." Israeli professor, Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3000 Years."
Expansionism - continued
In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."
But wasn't the occupation of Arab lands necessary to protect Israel's security?
"Senator [J.William Fulbright] proposed in 1970 that America should guarantee Israel's security in a formal treaty, protecting her with armed forces if necessary. In return, Israel would retire to the borders of 1967. The UN Security Council would guarantee this arrangement, and thereby bring the Soviet Union - then a supplier of arms and political aid to the Arabs - into compliance. As Israeli troops were withdrawn from the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they would be replaced by a UN peacekeeping force. Israel would agree to accept a certain number of Palestinians and the rest would be settled in a Palestinian state outside Israel.
"The plan drew favorable editorial support in the United States. The proposal, however, was flatly rejected by Israel. 'The whole affair disgusted Fulbright,' writes [his biographer Randall] Woods. 'The Israelis were not even willing to act in their own self-interest.'" Allan Brownfield in "Issues of the American Council for Judaism." Fall 1997.[Ed.-This was one of many such proposals]
What happened after the 1967 war ended?
"In violation of international law, Israel has confiscated over 52 percent of the land in the West Bank and 30 percent of the Gaza Strip for military use or for settlement by Jewish civilians...From 1967 to 1982, Israel's military government demolished 1,338 Palestinian homes on the West Bank. Over this period, more than 300,000 Palestinians were detained without trial for various periods by Israeli security forces." Intifada: The Palestinian Uprising Against Israeli Occupation," ed. Lockman and Beinin.
World opinion on the legality of Israeli control of the West Bank and Gaza.
"Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even by a state acting in self-defense. The response of other states to Israel's occupation shows a virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel's action was defensive, its retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not...The [UN] General Assembly characterized Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as a denial of self determination and hence a 'serious and increasing threat to international peace and security.' " John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."
Examples of the effects of Israeli occupation
"A study of students at Bethlehem University reported by the Coordinating Committee of International NGOs in Jerusalem showed that many families frequently go five days a week without running water...The study goes further to report that, 'water quotas restrict usage by Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza, while Israeli settlers have almost unlimited amounts.'
"A summer trip to a Jewish settlement on the edge of the Judean desert less than five miles from Bethlehem confirmed this water inequity for us. While Bethlehemites were buying water from tank trucks at highly inflated rates, the lawns were green in the settlement. Sprinklers were going at mid day in the hot August sunshine. Sounds of children swimming in the outdoor pool added to the unreality." Betty Jane Bailey, in "The Link", December 1996.
Israeli occupation - continued
"You have to remember that 90 percent of children two years old or more have experienced - some many, many times - the [Israeli] army breaking into the home, beating relatives, destroying things. Many were beaten themselves, had bones broken, were shot, tear gassed, or had these things happen to siblings and neighbors...The emotional aspect of the child is affected by the [lack of] security. He needs to feel safe. We see the consequences later if he does not. In our research, we have found that children who are exposed to trauma tend to be more extreme in their behaviors and, later, in their political beliefs." Dr Samir Quota, director of research for the Gaza Community Mental Health Programme, quoted in "The Journal of Palestine Studies," Summer 1996, p.84
Israeli occupation - continued
"There is nothing quite like the misery one feels listening to a 35-year-old [Palestinian] man who worked fifteen years as an illegal day laborer in Israel in order to save up money to build a house for his family only to be shocked one day upon returning from work to find that the house and all that was in it had been flattened by an Israeli bulldozer. When I asked why this was done - the land, after all, was his - I was told that a paper given to him the next day by an Israeli soldier stated that he had built the structure without a license. Where else in the world are people required to have a license (always denied them) to build on their own property? Jews can build, but never Palestinians. This is apartheid." Edward Said, in "The Nation", May 4, 1998.
All Jewish settlements in territories occupied in the 1967 war are a direct violation of the Geneva Conventions, which Israel has signed.
"The Geneva Convention requires an occupying power to change the existing order as little as possible during its tenure. One aspect of this obligation is that it must leave the territory to the people it finds there. It may not bring its own people to populate the territory. This prohibition is found in the convention's Article 49, which states, 'The occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.'" John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."
Excerpts from the U.S. State Department's reports during the Intifada
"Following are some excerpts from the U.S. State Department's Country Reports on Human Rights Practices from 1988 to 1991:
1988: 'Many avoidable deaths and injuries' were caused because Israeli soldiers frequently used gunfire in situations that did not present mortal danger to troops...IDF troops used clubs to break limbs and beat Palestinians who were not directly involved in disturbances or resisting arrest..At least thirteen Palestinians have been reported to have died from beatings...'
1989: Human rights groups charged that the plainclothes security personnel acted as death squads who killed Palestinian activists without warning, after they had surrendered, or after they had been subdued...
1991: [The report] added that the human rights groups had published 'detailed credible reports of torture, abuse and mistreatment of Palestinian detainees in prisons and detention centers." Former Congressman Paul Findley, "Deliberate Deceptions."
Jerusalem - Eternal, Indivisible Capital of Israel?
"Writing in The Jerusalem Report (Feb. 28, 2000), Leslie Susser points out that the current boundaries were drawn after the Six-Day War. Responsibility for drawing those lines fell to Central Command Chief Rehavan Ze'evi. The line he drew 'took in not only the five square kilometers of Arab East Jerusalem - but also 65 square kilometers of surrounding open country and villages, most of which never had any municipal link to Jerusalem. Overnight they became part of Israel's eternal and indivisible capital.'" Allan Brownfield in The Washington Report On Middle East Affairs, May 2000.
THE BOTTOM FUCKING LINE IS THIS........ Israel is here to STAY. Nobody is powerfull enough to force them off of their land again, least of all the surround arab states. So get the fuck over it already and talk peace, not war!
It's not 'their land'. It's an illegal occupation.
I would like to see Israel get out of the West Bank and Gaza. I'd like to see Palestinians respect Israel's right to exist. I'd like to see Palestinians get a land to call their own. I would like to see Israel accept the fact that it can never get back its lands from biblical times. I think if all this could happen, people in the middle and countries such as Iran would have a lot less reason to bitch. But unfortunately I don't think it would matter. There is an "us against them" mentality throughout the Middle East and I don't think either side will be happy until the other is either destroyed or left impotent. Nice to see the land where two different religions have some of their holiest places is such a violent fucking mess.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
There is an "us against them" mentality throughout the Middle East.
can you blame em? the US gives billions of dollars to Israel every year, and invaded Iraq. If that doesn't give them an "us against them" mentality, then what else would they think?
can you blame em? the US gives billions of dollars to Israel every year, and invaded Iraq. If that doesn't give them an "us against them" mentality, then what else would they think?
I wasn't saying the "us against them" mentality even included us, as in the United States. I'm just saying that several, if not most, of the countries in the M.E. have problems with each other. There's even state-encouraged hate. Seems like there's no trust over there (and rightly so in most cases, it seems) and nobody wants to be the first to admit that all this enemy-making is bad for everybody involved. I've never been in the military but I think I understand what this means: F.U.B.A.R.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
Comments
You have to be kidding me. This is all sour grapes on the part of the Palestinians/arabs. They fucked around with Israel 40 years ago and got their asses handed to them on a silver platter. 21,000 casualties to less than a thousand - even though they outnumbered the Jews at least 6 to 1.
If you know your history, the arab people were promised that Israel was in its "last throes" and was all but ripe for defeat. This is why their losses were so humiliating. People were absolutly stunned. The conflict started out between Eygpt and Israel, and Jordan was specificaly warned to stay the fuck out of the fight. But did they listen... NO they didn't. THEY attacked Israel and got severely whipped. It is becuase of their actions that Israel moved on the West Bank and took that territory over.
Why do they have any more claim to that land than the Israeli's do? The Isrealites were there before the Arabs were!
THE BOTTOM FUCKING LINE IS THIS........ Israel is here to STAY. Nobody is powerfull enough to force them off of their land again, least of all the surround arab states. So get the fuck over it already and talk peace, not war!
....
So, did you even bother responding to what I wrote? Because nothing you are saying could even be considered a response. I'm starting to wonder if you even read what I wrote because what you said has nothing to do with what I said.
I know about the Six Day War but I never mentioned it because it didn't have anything to do with what I'm saying. That was 40 years ago, I'm talking about now. I never said someone was powerful enough to force them off the land, I never said the arab states that surround them would do that. In fact, I was never "talking war." I was just trying to make a point.
I was just merely stating a response to what people say about Palestine and to your ridiculous statement. I don't need a history lesson.
I do agree that they should start talking peace, but to an extent.
Oh, and one more thing. Bringing up the fact that the "Israelites" had the land "before the Arabs" is very childish of you. Does that mean that the Native Americans have the right to declare war on the US to "get back its land" because they were living in the US "before the Americans." And please don't respond with a lame thing like "WELL IF THEY WOULD DECLARE WAR THEY WOULD GET THEIR ASSES KICKED!!1" because that's just stupid. It's just a point, not an actual scenario.
The 1967 War and the
Israeli Occupation of the
West Bank and Gaza
Did the Egyptians actually start the 1967 war, as Israel originally claimed?
"The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was 'no threat of destruction' but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could 'exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies.'...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to make: 'In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.' "Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."
Was the 1967 war defenisve?
"I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68
Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights
"Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan stated] 'They didn't even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.
And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.'" The New York Times, May 11, 1997
The history of Israeli expansionism
"The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them." David Ben-Gurion, in 1936, quoted in Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."
Expansionism - continued
"The main danger which Israel, as a 'Jewish state', poses to its own people, to other Jews and to its neighbors, is its ideologically motivated pursuit of territorial expansion and the inevitable series of wars resulting from this aim...No zionist politician has ever repudiated Ben-Gurion's idea that Israeli policies must be based (within the limits of practical considerations) on the restoration of Biblical borders as the borders of the Jewish state." Israeli professor, Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3000 Years."
Expansionism - continued
In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."
But wasn't the occupation of Arab lands necessary to protect Israel's security?
"Senator [J.William Fulbright] proposed in 1970 that America should guarantee Israel's security in a formal treaty, protecting her with armed forces if necessary. In return, Israel would retire to the borders of 1967. The UN Security Council would guarantee this arrangement, and thereby bring the Soviet Union - then a supplier of arms and political aid to the Arabs - into compliance. As Israeli troops were withdrawn from the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they would be replaced by a UN peacekeeping force. Israel would agree to accept a certain number of Palestinians and the rest would be settled in a Palestinian state outside Israel.
"The plan drew favorable editorial support in the United States. The proposal, however, was flatly rejected by Israel. 'The whole affair disgusted Fulbright,' writes [his biographer Randall] Woods. 'The Israelis were not even willing to act in their own self-interest.'" Allan Brownfield in "Issues of the American Council for Judaism." Fall 1997.[Ed.-This was one of many such proposals]
What happened after the 1967 war ended?
"In violation of international law, Israel has confiscated over 52 percent of the land in the West Bank and 30 percent of the Gaza Strip for military use or for settlement by Jewish civilians...From 1967 to 1982, Israel's military government demolished 1,338 Palestinian homes on the West Bank. Over this period, more than 300,000 Palestinians were detained without trial for various periods by Israeli security forces." Intifada: The Palestinian Uprising Against Israeli Occupation," ed. Lockman and Beinin.
World opinion on the legality of Israeli control of the West Bank and Gaza.
"Under the UN Charter there can lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even by a state acting in self-defense. The response of other states to Israel's occupation shows a virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel's action was defensive, its retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not...The [UN] General Assembly characterized Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as a denial of self determination and hence a 'serious and increasing threat to international peace and security.' " John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."
Examples of the effects of Israeli occupation
"A study of students at Bethlehem University reported by the Coordinating Committee of International NGOs in Jerusalem showed that many families frequently go five days a week without running water...The study goes further to report that, 'water quotas restrict usage by Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza, while Israeli settlers have almost unlimited amounts.'
"A summer trip to a Jewish settlement on the edge of the Judean desert less than five miles from Bethlehem confirmed this water inequity for us. While Bethlehemites were buying water from tank trucks at highly inflated rates, the lawns were green in the settlement. Sprinklers were going at mid day in the hot August sunshine. Sounds of children swimming in the outdoor pool added to the unreality." Betty Jane Bailey, in "The Link", December 1996.
Israeli occupation - continued
"You have to remember that 90 percent of children two years old or more have experienced - some many, many times - the [Israeli] army breaking into the home, beating relatives, destroying things. Many were beaten themselves, had bones broken, were shot, tear gassed, or had these things happen to siblings and neighbors...The emotional aspect of the child is affected by the [lack of] security. He needs to feel safe. We see the consequences later if he does not. In our research, we have found that children who are exposed to trauma tend to be more extreme in their behaviors and, later, in their political beliefs." Dr Samir Quota, director of research for the Gaza Community Mental Health Programme, quoted in "The Journal of Palestine Studies," Summer 1996, p.84
Israeli occupation - continued
"There is nothing quite like the misery one feels listening to a 35-year-old [Palestinian] man who worked fifteen years as an illegal day laborer in Israel in order to save up money to build a house for his family only to be shocked one day upon returning from work to find that the house and all that was in it had been flattened by an Israeli bulldozer. When I asked why this was done - the land, after all, was his - I was told that a paper given to him the next day by an Israeli soldier stated that he had built the structure without a license. Where else in the world are people required to have a license (always denied them) to build on their own property? Jews can build, but never Palestinians. This is apartheid." Edward Said, in "The Nation", May 4, 1998.
All Jewish settlements in territories occupied in the 1967 war are a direct violation of the Geneva Conventions, which Israel has signed.
"The Geneva Convention requires an occupying power to change the existing order as little as possible during its tenure. One aspect of this obligation is that it must leave the territory to the people it finds there. It may not bring its own people to populate the territory. This prohibition is found in the convention's Article 49, which states, 'The occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.'" John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."
Excerpts from the U.S. State Department's reports during the Intifada
"Following are some excerpts from the U.S. State Department's Country Reports on Human Rights Practices from 1988 to 1991:
1988: 'Many avoidable deaths and injuries' were caused because Israeli soldiers frequently used gunfire in situations that did not present mortal danger to troops...IDF troops used clubs to break limbs and beat Palestinians who were not directly involved in disturbances or resisting arrest..At least thirteen Palestinians have been reported to have died from beatings...'
1989: Human rights groups charged that the plainclothes security personnel acted as death squads who killed Palestinian activists without warning, after they had surrendered, or after they had been subdued...
1991: [The report] added that the human rights groups had published 'detailed credible reports of torture, abuse and mistreatment of Palestinian detainees in prisons and detention centers." Former Congressman Paul Findley, "Deliberate Deceptions."
Jerusalem - Eternal, Indivisible Capital of Israel?
"Writing in The Jerusalem Report (Feb. 28, 2000), Leslie Susser points out that the current boundaries were drawn after the Six-Day War. Responsibility for drawing those lines fell to Central Command Chief Rehavan Ze'evi. The line he drew 'took in not only the five square kilometers of Arab East Jerusalem - but also 65 square kilometers of surrounding open country and villages, most of which never had any municipal link to Jerusalem. Overnight they became part of Israel's eternal and indivisible capital.'" Allan Brownfield in The Washington Report On Middle East Affairs, May 2000.
It's not 'their land'. It's an illegal occupation.
can you blame em? the US gives billions of dollars to Israel every year, and invaded Iraq. If that doesn't give them an "us against them" mentality, then what else would they think?
I wasn't saying the "us against them" mentality even included us, as in the United States. I'm just saying that several, if not most, of the countries in the M.E. have problems with each other. There's even state-encouraged hate. Seems like there's no trust over there (and rightly so in most cases, it seems) and nobody wants to be the first to admit that all this enemy-making is bad for everybody involved. I've never been in the military but I think I understand what this means: F.U.B.A.R.