Why Do You Think Human Life Is So Precious?

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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    catefrances wrote:
    sharks eat you cause they think you're food. venomous creatures sting you cause they are being defensive. Man kills man for what reason?


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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    catefrances wrote:
    sharks eat you cause they think you're food. venomous creatures sting you cause they are being defensive. Man kills man for what reason?
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    You know, Cate... you are speaking to someone who wants executions to be public. Like they do it in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.
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  • gue_barium
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    You know, Cate... you are speaking to someone who wants executions to be public. Like they do it in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

    If there must be executions, why not make them public?
    Maybe people would come to their senses.
    And I don't mean in the fearful, obedient way we heathens must know in order to be kept in line.
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  • gue_barium
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    catefrances wrote:
    sharks eat you cause they think you're food. venomous creatures sting you cause they are being defensive. Man kills man for what reason?

    OLS holds it close to his politics on this matter that "man is the deadliest animal on the planet."
    So, suffice it to say, self-destruction is necessary and desirable, and biblically correct.
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  • catefrances
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    gue_barium wrote:
    If there must be executions, why not make them public?
    Maybe people would come to their senses.
    And I don't mean in the fearful, obedient way we heathens must know in order to be kept in line.


    yes i agree. if we are to have executions then do it in public. dont hide it in the dead of night where no one can see whats going on. if 'justice' is for ALL the people then ALL the people should see what 'justice' in their name looks like.
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  • Cosmo
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    gue_barium wrote:
    If there must be executions, why not make them public?
    Maybe people would come to their senses.
    And I don't mean in the fearful, obedient way we heathens must know in order to be kept in line.
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    Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
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    And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
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  • soulsinging
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
    ...
    And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
    We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.

    i have a feeling many americans would 1) enjoy watching and 2) be slightly disappointed that they are less compelling and fun to watch than the average beheading or saw movie.
  • catefrances
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
    ...
    And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
    We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.

    i think you miss the point. yes we condemn public stonings in yemen. and given time if it were carried out in front of our faces we would also condemn execution, public or otherwise. if execution is okay then why is it hidden away?
    then again we could all be just massive hypocrites. ;):D
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  • soulsinging
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    catefrances wrote:
    i think you miss the point. yes we condemn public stonings in yemen. and given time if it were carried out in front of our faces we would also condemn execution, public or otherwise.
    then again we could all be just massive hypocrites. ;):D

    im leaning towards the latter. i've got a feeling about half of american outrage over such stonings is based more upon rationalizing and validating prejudice against islam than any sort of disdain for th actual practice. i think a good chunk of the people are just disappointed they can't bring that biblical badass bullshit back to christian america.
  • gue_barium
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
    ...
    And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
    We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.

    I don't think it would be a big hit, no. At least not in the way you're leaning toward, which seems to be that it might gratify some sort of bloodthirst inherit to the American psyche. I guess if it were marketed like "Girls Gone Wild" then you may have a point, but my suggestion was not of the marketable value.
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  • catefrances
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    soulsinging wrote:
    im leaning towards the latter. i've got a feeling about half of american outrage over such stonings is based more upon rationalizing and validating prejudice against islam than any sort of disdain for th actual practice. i think a good chunk of the people are just disappointed they can't bring that biblical badass bullshit back to christian america.

    yes, me too conor. what did cosmo call them?...barbarians i believe. surely we're not like them. ;):)
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  • Cosmo
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    catefrances wrote:
    i think you miss the point. yes we condemn public stonings in yemen. and given time if it were carried out in front of our faces we would also condemn execution, public or otherwise.
    then again we could all be just massive hypocrites. ;):D
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    I agree... to a point. i think people need to see what is being done in our name. We (Americans) have a shit fit if a photograph of flag draped coffins in the cargo hold of a C-17 is printed... at least, we say that we are having a shit fit, publically. I think the people who support War and who support Capital Punishment SHOULD see what these things really are.
    But, I'm pretty certain.. the ones who'd actually attend these things would bring their cameras and maybe even their kids and treat it as a carnival. i don't want to see this shit... I oppose the Death Penalty and I am heading towards opposing War in general (I already oppose War by choice).
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  • Cosmo
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I don't think it would be a big hit, no. At least not in the way you're leaning toward, which seems to be that it might gratify some sort of bloodthirst inherit to the American psyche. I guess if it were marketed like "Girls Gone Wild" then you may have a point, but my suggestion was not of the marketable value.
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    It would be a hit to those people who rush off to see the beheading videos. Granted, most Americans would not attend... but, i think it should be something a person who supports the Death Penalty should witness... afterall, it IS what they want. They may enjoy it... they may be repulsed by it... they may remain the same. I can't say, because I don't know.
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  • catefrances
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    I agree... to a point. i think people need to see what is being done in our name. We (Americans) have a shit fit if a photograph of flag draped coffins in the cargo hold of a C-17 is printed... at least, we say that we are having a shit fit, publically. I think the people who support War and who support Capital Punishment SHOULD see what these things really are.
    But, I'm pretty certain.. the ones who'd actually attend these things would bring their cameras and maybe even their kids and treat it as a carnival. i don't want to see this shit... I oppose the Death Penalty and I am heading towards opposing War in general (I already oppose War by choice).

    how about we rig up an execution platform in the city square and those who happen to be going about their business are the ones who get to witness it. film the execution and show it on the nightly news.

    today in town square john doe was executed for murder. here's what it looks like. this is justice in your name people.

    or even better, during half time of the super bowl. you got the whole world's attention then. :(
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  • Cosmo
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    catefrances wrote:
    how about we rig up an execution platform in the city square and those who happen to be going about their business are the ones who get to witness it. film the execution and show it on the nightly news.

    today in town square john doe was executed for murder. here's what it looks like. this is justice in your name people.

    or even better, during half time of the super bowl. you got the whole world's attention then. :(
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    That's my basic point... it would be Barbaric to do so. At least, in my opinion it would be.
    But, as I have stated... I think if you believe Capital Punishment is a good thing.. then you should actually see what you believe in. Not to try to convince them to change their views or to show them that it is wrong... just to let them see what their mouths are saying... when converted into reality.
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    Any fool can play executioner for a day and say with fingers pointed in both directions, "He went thataway!"
    It's only a switch or syringe, exempt from eternal sins.
    But, you still wear a cross and you think you're gonna get in.

    Ah, but the pardons never come from upstairs, They're always a moment too late.
    But, it's entertainment... keep the crowd on their toes.
    It's justice, we're safe.
    It's not a hit, it's a holiday.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Cosmo wrote:
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    That's my basic point... it would be Barbaric to do so. At least, in my opinion it would be.
    But, as I have stated... I think if you believe Capital Punishment is a good thing.. then you should actually see what you believe in. Not to try to convince them to change their views or to show them that it is wrong... just to let them see what their mouths are saying... when converted into reality.
    ...
    Any fool can play executioner for a day and say with fingers pointed in both directions, "He went thataway!"
    It's only a switch or syringe, exempt from eternal sins.
    But, you still wear a cross and you think you're gonna get in.

    Ah, but the pardons never come from upstairs, They're always a moment too late.
    But, it's entertainment... keep the crowd on their toes.
    It's justice, we're safe.
    It's not a hit, it's a holiday.

    then you and i agree. execution is barbaric regardless of the way its carried out or who carries it out.

    i guess i just dont understand the mindset that can't see that execution is wrong without maybe being shown it in action.
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  • Cosmo
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    catefrances wrote:
    then you and i agree. execution is barbaric regardless of the way its carried out or who carries it out.

    i guess i just dont understand the mindset that can't see that execution is wrong without maybe being shown it in action.
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    My fear would the morbid side of our society will be looking for scalped tickets on Craig's list for executions.
    I mean, look at how many idiot Americans think prison is some kind of wierd alternative high school or community college. They need to spend a week in there with the general population and live in fear of getting cornholed and come back and tell me what a country club prisons are.
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  • gue_barium
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    It would be a hit to those people who rush off to see the beheading videos. Granted, most Americans would not attend... but, i think it should be something a person who supports the Death Penalty should witness... afterall, it IS what they want. They may enjoy it... they may be repulsed by it... they may remain the same. I can't say, because I don't know.

    The American public was swayed in the '60's, enough so that capital punishment was outlawed for 10 years. We haven't changed much, if any, since then.
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  • gue_barium
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    My fear would the morbid side of our society will be looking for scalped tickets on Craig's list for executions.
    I mean, look at how many idiot Americans think prison is some kind of wierd alternative high school or community college. They need to spend a week in there with the general population and live in fear of getting cornholed and come back and tell me what a country club prisons are.

    I think you misunderstand the primal American instinct for the prospect of prison. It's a social cheerleading section for male-on-male rape.
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  • onelongsong
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    Cosmo wrote:
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    That's my basic point... it would be Barbaric to do so. At least, in my opinion it would be.
    But, as I have stated... I think if you believe Capital Punishment is a good thing.. then you should actually see what you believe in. Not to try to convince them to change their views or to show them that it is wrong... just to let them see what their mouths are saying... when converted into reality.
    ...
    Any fool can play executioner for a day and say with fingers pointed in both directions, "He went thataway!"
    It's only a switch or syringe, exempt from eternal sins.
    But, you still wear a cross and you think you're gonna get in.

    Ah, but the pardons never come from upstairs, They're always a moment too late.
    But, it's entertainment... keep the crowd on their toes.
    It's justice, we're safe.
    It's not a hit, it's a holiday.

    when saddam was hanged; the hits on the web to see the video was unbelievable. how many movies have people shot or mutilated? how successful are horror movies? the kids can't wait to see freddie and you get them there opening weekend. we condition them for violence and they take it to the streets.
    oh.... but this is different. if they see a real hanging and a real person getting hanged; it might show them that killing is wrong and the punishment is severe. they may also learn the difference between movies and reality. that would be outragous.

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