i'm going by what i believed true atheism to be from programs i've seen on the tele. i don't believe most people who claim to be atheist are true atheists. so i really don't want this thread to take that turn. in fact; i'll edit to remore that sentence.
I'd like to suggest that you learn about atheism from atheists, not from television propaganda. As for your belief that most people who claim to be atheists are not what they say they are, I suspect that that stems from your own inability to comprehend the idea that someone might honestly not believe in supernatural phenomena. I personally find it baffling that anyone can truly believe (for example) that some dude that was crucified 2000 years ago rose from the dead and is waiting to recieve them after they die. But I just accept that they do really believe that, even if I have no idea why.
And in response to your original question - As an atheist it is absolutely clear to me, sometimes painfully so, that we only get to live once. Our time is so fleeting and precious that we have to make the most of it, because there will be no second chance. This applies to everyone, and I can think of nothing that gives me or anyone else the right to decide that someone's life should end and their chance to exist terminated.
It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i wonder why this board is so fast to defend criminals without knowing any background. why so many are against the death penalty for those who cannot be permitted in society; be it our society or the prison society. what good do we do keeping these people alive? if death is the end; and all we can offer these criminals is solitary confinement; we've ended all quality of life anyway. what is the purpose of prolonging the biological aspects of that life?
The purpose is to eliminate the threat that the criminal poses to society while, at at the same time, not adding to the violence in the world.
i don't. i think LIFE is precious, but not specifically human life. now this is not to say that i don't kill, b/c i do.....inadvertently by purchasing food/clothing made from animals for consumption. i think of it all as the cycle of life and what have you. there is purpose to it. however, i am against killing for the sake of killing...and while a criminal may do so, doesnt' mean the rest of the sane individuals out there should do the same in turn. so thus why i am against the death penalty, i see no purpose in killing someone, even for crimes commited, even if they cnnot 'rejoin society' etc. i don't think it's my call to make. i also don't hold a criminal's life about anyone else...i really don't hold ANYone's life above another's except of course for the selfish reason of those nearest and dearest to me.
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Thanx. And nope... never offered them... never sent them. Because if it ever did happened... I would have said, "Sure... send 'em".
You know what a skeptic I am... and if you didn't know... you know now.
Thanx.
it may have been someone else then. i got your PM and you'll have them within 24 hours.
I don't think it's about revenge killing but rather keeping people out of 'our' society.
So I'd rather my taxes go to feed these people, than to put them to death.
I just cannot believe that us humans have the right to say who should die and who shouldn't.
If someone doesn't want to abide by our rules, fair enough, but they should be punished. Not by death though. That's no ones right.
They should be sent to a foreign island to fend for themselves. heheh. IMO
the death penalty was a great deterrant until executions became private. i'm FOR the death penalty but i'm also FOR public executions. until this last century; all countries held public executions. the sight of someone kicking at the end of a rope DID IN FACT deterr criminals.
you can believe hollywood about the american "wild" west; but the truth is; crime was low. most of our history was taken from "dime store novels" as they were called. the truth has been revield and history is being rewritten to depict what really happened.
I don't think it's about revenge killing but rather keeping people out of 'our' society.
So I'd rather my taxes go to feed these people, than to put them to death.
I just cannot believe that us humans have the right to say who should die and who shouldn't.
If someone doesn't want to abide by our rules, fair enough, but they should be punished. Not by death though. That's no ones right.
They should be sent to a foreign island to fend for themselves. heheh. IMO
the death penalty was a great deterrant until executions became private. i'm FOR the death penalty but i'm also FOR public executions. until this last century; all countries held public executions. the sight of someone kicking at the end of a rope DID IN FACT deterr criminals.
you can believe hollywood about the american "wild" west; but the truth is; crime was low. most of our history was taken from "dime store novels" as they were called. the truth has been revield and history is being rewritten to depict what really happened.
the death penalty was a great deterrant until executions became private. i'm FOR the death penalty but i'm also FOR public executions. until this last century; all countries held public executions. the sight of someone kicking at the end of a rope DID IN FACT deterr criminals.
you can believe hollywood about the american "wild" west; but the truth is; crime was low. most of our history was taken from "dime store novels" as they were called. the truth has been revield and history is being rewritten to depict what really happened.
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Wow.
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I'd like to suggest that you learn about atheism from atheists, not from television propaganda. As for your belief that most people who claim to be atheists are not what they say they are, I suspect that that stems from your own inability to comprehend the idea that someone might honestly not believe in supernatural phenomena. I personally find it baffling that anyone can truly believe (for example) that some dude that was crucified 2000 years ago rose from the dead and is waiting to recieve them after they die. But I just accept that they do really believe that, even if I have no idea why.
And in response to your original question - As an atheist it is absolutely clear to me, sometimes painfully so, that we only get to live once. Our time is so fleeting and precious that we have to make the most of it, because there will be no second chance. This applies to everyone, and I can think of nothing that gives me or anyone else the right to decide that someone's life should end and their chance to exist terminated.
but scott; neither you nor anyone else decides who must die; except the criminal. he/she knows the punishment and when they murder innocent people; they agree to accept that punishment. if i steal a car; i accept that if caught; my punishment will be 5 to 10 years. if you swim in the reef; you accept that you may be killed by a shark; or other venomous creatures.
but scott; neither you nor anyone else decides who must die; except the criminal. he/she knows the punishment and when they murder innocent people; they agree to accept that punishment. if i steal a car; i accept that if caught; my punishment will be 5 to 10 years. if you swim in the reef; you accept that you may be killed by a shark; or other venomous creatures.
sharks eat you cause they think you're food. venomous creatures sting you cause they are being defensive. Man kills man for what reason?
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You know, Cate... you are speaking to someone who wants executions to be public. Like they do it in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.
If there must be executions, why not make them public?
Maybe people would come to their senses.
And I don't mean in the fearful, obedient way we heathens must know in order to be kept in line.
sharks eat you cause they think you're food. venomous creatures sting you cause they are being defensive. Man kills man for what reason?
OLS holds it close to his politics on this matter that "man is the deadliest animal on the planet."
So, suffice it to say, self-destruction is necessary and desirable, and biblically correct.
If there must be executions, why not make them public?
Maybe people would come to their senses.
And I don't mean in the fearful, obedient way we heathens must know in order to be kept in line.
yes i agree. if we are to have executions then do it in public. dont hide it in the dead of night where no one can see whats going on. if 'justice' is for ALL the people then ALL the people should see what 'justice' in their name looks like.
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If there must be executions, why not make them public?
Maybe people would come to their senses.
And I don't mean in the fearful, obedient way we heathens must know in order to be kept in line.
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Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
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And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.
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Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
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And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.
i have a feeling many americans would 1) enjoy watching and 2) be slightly disappointed that they are less compelling and fun to watch than the average beheading or saw movie.
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Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
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And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.
i think you miss the point. yes we condemn public stonings in yemen. and given time if it were carried out in front of our faces we would also condemn execution, public or otherwise. if execution is okay then why is it hidden away?
then again we could all be just massive hypocrites.
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i think you miss the point. yes we condemn public stonings in yemen. and given time if it were carried out in front of our faces we would also condemn execution, public or otherwise.
then again we could all be just massive hypocrites.
im leaning towards the latter. i've got a feeling about half of american outrage over such stonings is based more upon rationalizing and validating prejudice against islam than any sort of disdain for th actual practice. i think a good chunk of the people are just disappointed they can't bring that biblical badass bullshit back to christian america.
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Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
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And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.
I don't think it would be a big hit, no. At least not in the way you're leaning toward, which seems to be that it might gratify some sort of bloodthirst inherit to the American psyche. I guess if it were marketed like "Girls Gone Wild" then you may have a point, but my suggestion was not of the marketable value.
im leaning towards the latter. i've got a feeling about half of american outrage over such stonings is based more upon rationalizing and validating prejudice against islam than any sort of disdain for th actual practice. i think a good chunk of the people are just disappointed they can't bring that biblical badass bullshit back to christian america.
yes, me too conor. what did cosmo call them?...barbarians i believe. surely we're not like them.
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i think you miss the point. yes we condemn public stonings in yemen. and given time if it were carried out in front of our faces we would also condemn execution, public or otherwise.
then again we could all be just massive hypocrites.
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I agree... to a point. i think people need to see what is being done in our name. We (Americans) have a shit fit if a photograph of flag draped coffins in the cargo hold of a C-17 is printed... at least, we say that we are having a shit fit, publically. I think the people who support War and who support Capital Punishment SHOULD see what these things really are.
But, I'm pretty certain.. the ones who'd actually attend these things would bring their cameras and maybe even their kids and treat it as a carnival. i don't want to see this shit... I oppose the Death Penalty and I am heading towards opposing War in general (I already oppose War by choice).
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I don't think it would be a big hit, no. At least not in the way you're leaning toward, which seems to be that it might gratify some sort of bloodthirst inherit to the American psyche. I guess if it were marketed like "Girls Gone Wild" then you may have a point, but my suggestion was not of the marketable value.
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It would be a hit to those people who rush off to see the beheading videos. Granted, most Americans would not attend... but, i think it should be something a person who supports the Death Penalty should witness... afterall, it IS what they want. They may enjoy it... they may be repulsed by it... they may remain the same. I can't say, because I don't know.
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I agree... to a point. i think people need to see what is being done in our name. We (Americans) have a shit fit if a photograph of flag draped coffins in the cargo hold of a C-17 is printed... at least, we say that we are having a shit fit, publically. I think the people who support War and who support Capital Punishment SHOULD see what these things really are.
But, I'm pretty certain.. the ones who'd actually attend these things would bring their cameras and maybe even their kids and treat it as a carnival. i don't want to see this shit... I oppose the Death Penalty and I am heading towards opposing War in general (I already oppose War by choice).
how about we rig up an execution platform in the city square and those who happen to be going about their business are the ones who get to witness it. film the execution and show it on the nightly news.
today in town square john doe was executed for murder. here's what it looks like. this is justice in your name people.
or even better, during half time of the super bowl. you got the whole world's attention then. :(
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how about we rig up an execution platform in the city square and those who happen to be going about their business are the ones who get to witness it. film the execution and show it on the nightly news.
today in town square john doe was executed for murder. here's what it looks like. this is justice in your name people.
or even better, during half time of the super bowl. you got the whole world's attention then. :(
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That's my basic point... it would be Barbaric to do so. At least, in my opinion it would be.
But, as I have stated... I think if you believe Capital Punishment is a good thing.. then you should actually see what you believe in. Not to try to convince them to change their views or to show them that it is wrong... just to let them see what their mouths are saying... when converted into reality.
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Any fool can play executioner for a day and say with fingers pointed in both directions, "He went thataway!"
It's only a switch or syringe, exempt from eternal sins.
But, you still wear a cross and you think you're gonna get in.
Ah, but the pardons never come from upstairs, They're always a moment too late.
But, it's entertainment... keep the crowd on their toes.
It's justice, we're safe.
It's not a hit, it's a holiday.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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That's my basic point... it would be Barbaric to do so. At least, in my opinion it would be.
But, as I have stated... I think if you believe Capital Punishment is a good thing.. then you should actually see what you believe in. Not to try to convince them to change their views or to show them that it is wrong... just to let them see what their mouths are saying... when converted into reality.
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Any fool can play executioner for a day and say with fingers pointed in both directions, "He went thataway!"
It's only a switch or syringe, exempt from eternal sins.
But, you still wear a cross and you think you're gonna get in.
Ah, but the pardons never come from upstairs, They're always a moment too late.
But, it's entertainment... keep the crowd on their toes.
It's justice, we're safe.
It's not a hit, it's a holiday.
then you and i agree. execution is barbaric regardless of the way its carried out or who carries it out.
i guess i just dont understand the mindset that can't see that execution is wrong without maybe being shown it in action.
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then you and i agree. execution is barbaric regardless of the way its carried out or who carries it out.
i guess i just dont understand the mindset that can't see that execution is wrong without maybe being shown it in action.
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My fear would the morbid side of our society will be looking for scalped tickets on Craig's list for executions.
I mean, look at how many idiot Americans think prison is some kind of wierd alternative high school or community college. They need to spend a week in there with the general population and live in fear of getting cornholed and come back and tell me what a country club prisons are.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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It would be a hit to those people who rush off to see the beheading videos. Granted, most Americans would not attend... but, i think it should be something a person who supports the Death Penalty should witness... afterall, it IS what they want. They may enjoy it... they may be repulsed by it... they may remain the same. I can't say, because I don't know.
The American public was swayed in the '60's, enough so that capital punishment was outlawed for 10 years. We haven't changed much, if any, since then.
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My fear would the morbid side of our society will be looking for scalped tickets on Craig's list for executions.
I mean, look at how many idiot Americans think prison is some kind of wierd alternative high school or community college. They need to spend a week in there with the general population and live in fear of getting cornholed and come back and tell me what a country club prisons are.
I think you misunderstand the primal American instinct for the prospect of prison. It's a social cheerleading section for male-on-male rape.
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That's my basic point... it would be Barbaric to do so. At least, in my opinion it would be.
But, as I have stated... I think if you believe Capital Punishment is a good thing.. then you should actually see what you believe in. Not to try to convince them to change their views or to show them that it is wrong... just to let them see what their mouths are saying... when converted into reality.
...
Any fool can play executioner for a day and say with fingers pointed in both directions, "He went thataway!"
It's only a switch or syringe, exempt from eternal sins.
But, you still wear a cross and you think you're gonna get in.
Ah, but the pardons never come from upstairs, They're always a moment too late.
But, it's entertainment... keep the crowd on their toes.
It's justice, we're safe.
It's not a hit, it's a holiday.
when saddam was hanged; the hits on the web to see the video was unbelievable. how many movies have people shot or mutilated? how successful are horror movies? the kids can't wait to see freddie and you get them there opening weekend. we condition them for violence and they take it to the streets.
oh.... but this is different. if they see a real hanging and a real person getting hanged; it might show them that killing is wrong and the punishment is severe. they may also learn the difference between movies and reality. that would be outragous.
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I'd like to suggest that you learn about atheism from atheists, not from television propaganda. As for your belief that most people who claim to be atheists are not what they say they are, I suspect that that stems from your own inability to comprehend the idea that someone might honestly not believe in supernatural phenomena. I personally find it baffling that anyone can truly believe (for example) that some dude that was crucified 2000 years ago rose from the dead and is waiting to recieve them after they die. But I just accept that they do really believe that, even if I have no idea why.
And in response to your original question - As an atheist it is absolutely clear to me, sometimes painfully so, that we only get to live once. Our time is so fleeting and precious that we have to make the most of it, because there will be no second chance. This applies to everyone, and I can think of nothing that gives me or anyone else the right to decide that someone's life should end and their chance to exist terminated.
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The purpose is to eliminate the threat that the criminal poses to society while, at at the same time, not adding to the violence in the world.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
it may have been someone else then. i got your PM and you'll have them within 24 hours.
the death penalty was a great deterrant until executions became private. i'm FOR the death penalty but i'm also FOR public executions. until this last century; all countries held public executions. the sight of someone kicking at the end of a rope DID IN FACT deterr criminals.
you can believe hollywood about the american "wild" west; but the truth is; crime was low. most of our history was taken from "dime store novels" as they were called. the truth has been revield and history is being rewritten to depict what really happened.
the death penalty was a great deterrant until executions became private. i'm FOR the death penalty but i'm also FOR public executions. until this last century; all countries held public executions. the sight of someone kicking at the end of a rope DID IN FACT deterr criminals.
you can believe hollywood about the american "wild" west; but the truth is; crime was low. most of our history was taken from "dime store novels" as they were called. the truth has been revield and history is being rewritten to depict what really happened.
Wow.
Hail, Hail!!!
but scott; neither you nor anyone else decides who must die; except the criminal. he/she knows the punishment and when they murder innocent people; they agree to accept that punishment. if i steal a car; i accept that if caught; my punishment will be 5 to 10 years. if you swim in the reef; you accept that you may be killed by a shark; or other venomous creatures.
sharks eat you cause they think you're food. venomous creatures sting you cause they are being defensive. Man kills man for what reason?
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"got a gun. fact i got 2."
You know, Cate... you are speaking to someone who wants executions to be public. Like they do it in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.
Hail, Hail!!!
If there must be executions, why not make them public?
Maybe people would come to their senses.
And I don't mean in the fearful, obedient way we heathens must know in order to be kept in line.
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OLS holds it close to his politics on this matter that "man is the deadliest animal on the planet."
So, suffice it to say, self-destruction is necessary and desirable, and biblically correct.
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yes i agree. if we are to have executions then do it in public. dont hide it in the dead of night where no one can see whats going on. if 'justice' is for ALL the people then ALL the people should see what 'justice' in their name looks like.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Aren't we the very same people who condemn public stonings in Yemen? Those are public executins based upon laws that they adhere to.
...
And I'm guessing... based upon the amount of people who rush to see the videos of guys getting their heads chopped off in al Qaeda videos... public executions would be a big hit over here with them.
We are supposed to evolve further away from Barbarians. At least, I think we're supposed to.
Hail, Hail!!!
i have a feeling many americans would 1) enjoy watching and 2) be slightly disappointed that they are less compelling and fun to watch than the average beheading or saw movie.
i think you miss the point. yes we condemn public stonings in yemen. and given time if it were carried out in front of our faces we would also condemn execution, public or otherwise. if execution is okay then why is it hidden away?
then again we could all be just massive hypocrites.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
im leaning towards the latter. i've got a feeling about half of american outrage over such stonings is based more upon rationalizing and validating prejudice against islam than any sort of disdain for th actual practice. i think a good chunk of the people are just disappointed they can't bring that biblical badass bullshit back to christian america.
I don't think it would be a big hit, no. At least not in the way you're leaning toward, which seems to be that it might gratify some sort of bloodthirst inherit to the American psyche. I guess if it were marketed like "Girls Gone Wild" then you may have a point, but my suggestion was not of the marketable value.
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yes, me too conor. what did cosmo call them?...barbarians i believe. surely we're not like them.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I agree... to a point. i think people need to see what is being done in our name. We (Americans) have a shit fit if a photograph of flag draped coffins in the cargo hold of a C-17 is printed... at least, we say that we are having a shit fit, publically. I think the people who support War and who support Capital Punishment SHOULD see what these things really are.
But, I'm pretty certain.. the ones who'd actually attend these things would bring their cameras and maybe even their kids and treat it as a carnival. i don't want to see this shit... I oppose the Death Penalty and I am heading towards opposing War in general (I already oppose War by choice).
Hail, Hail!!!
It would be a hit to those people who rush off to see the beheading videos. Granted, most Americans would not attend... but, i think it should be something a person who supports the Death Penalty should witness... afterall, it IS what they want. They may enjoy it... they may be repulsed by it... they may remain the same. I can't say, because I don't know.
Hail, Hail!!!
how about we rig up an execution platform in the city square and those who happen to be going about their business are the ones who get to witness it. film the execution and show it on the nightly news.
today in town square john doe was executed for murder. here's what it looks like. this is justice in your name people.
or even better, during half time of the super bowl. you got the whole world's attention then. :(
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
That's my basic point... it would be Barbaric to do so. At least, in my opinion it would be.
But, as I have stated... I think if you believe Capital Punishment is a good thing.. then you should actually see what you believe in. Not to try to convince them to change their views or to show them that it is wrong... just to let them see what their mouths are saying... when converted into reality.
...
Any fool can play executioner for a day and say with fingers pointed in both directions, "He went thataway!"
It's only a switch or syringe, exempt from eternal sins.
But, you still wear a cross and you think you're gonna get in.
Ah, but the pardons never come from upstairs, They're always a moment too late.
But, it's entertainment... keep the crowd on their toes.
It's justice, we're safe.
It's not a hit, it's a holiday.
Hail, Hail!!!
then you and i agree. execution is barbaric regardless of the way its carried out or who carries it out.
i guess i just dont understand the mindset that can't see that execution is wrong without maybe being shown it in action.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
My fear would the morbid side of our society will be looking for scalped tickets on Craig's list for executions.
I mean, look at how many idiot Americans think prison is some kind of wierd alternative high school or community college. They need to spend a week in there with the general population and live in fear of getting cornholed and come back and tell me what a country club prisons are.
Hail, Hail!!!
The American public was swayed in the '60's, enough so that capital punishment was outlawed for 10 years. We haven't changed much, if any, since then.
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I think you misunderstand the primal American instinct for the prospect of prison. It's a social cheerleading section for male-on-male rape.
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when saddam was hanged; the hits on the web to see the video was unbelievable. how many movies have people shot or mutilated? how successful are horror movies? the kids can't wait to see freddie and you get them there opening weekend. we condition them for violence and they take it to the streets.
oh.... but this is different. if they see a real hanging and a real person getting hanged; it might show them that killing is wrong and the punishment is severe. they may also learn the difference between movies and reality. that would be outragous.