Why not give it a try?

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  • TheDecline13
    TheDecline13 Posts: 990
    eyedclaar wrote:
    This is why… Because it’s like asking a one-armed monkey to solve a Rubik’s cube.

    I can solve a cube with one arm & if u believe in evaluation we came from monkeys!
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    See...people hated W for saying stuff like this...and they should. Obama won 53% of the vote...that 47% against...that's hardly a mandate of any kind and he'd be good to remember that.

    To his credit, he mentioned it in his speech...I hope he remembers it. Because the reality is that even of that 53% that voted for him, they disagree with him on major issues, it's just that the religious right drove them away from the Republican party.

    OK, easy there. When I said mandate, I was referring to the Electoral College tally, which was over 360 electoral votes, higher than either total George W. Bush ever had.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,952
    digster wrote:
    I think I'm a bit confused by what you're saying when you say the left; do you mean that far smaller portion of extreme partisans on 'the left', or do you mean half of the country that would consider themselves Democrat/left/liberal/whatever. Because I don't think you're giving the latter section much credit if you're throwing them in with the former in terms of being able to decide for themselves whether they like a president or not.


    People from all areas of the left, but not all people from the left. ;)

    Anyhow, I'm just surprised that people are surprised that others are upset and think Obama will be bad for the country...happens every election. It's why he didn't get 47% of the vote.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,952
    digster wrote:
    OK, easy there. When I said mandate, I was referring to the Electoral College tally, which was over 360 electoral votes, higher than either total George W. Bush ever had.


    I just think the "mandate term" is completely and utterly ridiculous. Win 66.6% and you can maybe entertain the idea of a mandate. ;)

    Obama's only mandate is he needs to work with both parties, if he doesn't, nothing will change, and he'll lose a lot of the votes he picked up in 2012...like mine.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    People from all areas of the left, but not all people from the left. ;)

    Anyhow, I'm just surprised that people are surprised that others are upset and think Obama will be bad for the country...happens every election. It's why he didn't get 47% of the vote.

    I think there's a difference between disappointment and hatred. It's a different discussion, but in regards to the point about the hatred towards Bush, I think I'm just a little tired of the finger-pointing regarding the "Angry Left" after the shameful manner in which some conservative-minded people and groups behaved during this election cycle. I don't condemn the entire Republican Party because of it, but it makes it more difficult to take mention of the angry Left quite as seriously.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    I say "fuck 'em" if they're already pissing and moaning.

    There's no substance to complain about, just sour grapes
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,952
    digster wrote:
    but it makes it more difficult to take mention of the angry Left quite as seriously.

    Well, that's pretty sad because there is a very angry left and a very angry right...the angry left got bigger over the last 8 years and now they are surprised that some on the right are angry about Obama being elected? It's just very confusing to me...
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I just think the "mandate term" is completely and utterly ridiculous. Win 66.6% and you can maybe entertain the idea of a mandate. ;)

    Obama's only mandate is he needs to work with both parties, if he doesn't, nothing will change, and he'll lose a lot of the votes he picked up in 2012...like mine.

    Well, again, I was referring to the electoral college. Maybe, instead of mandate, insert, "most commanding victory we've seen in a presidential election since 1996." Bush won a much closer election than this year's election in both 2000 and 2004 and didn't seem to give a damn about bipartisanship. I hope and expect Obama to do differently. I think he will; the trick will be to see if

    -Democrats in Congress are willing to rein themselves in and work in a bipartisan manner
    -Republicans are willing to work with Obama in a bipartisan, healthy manner
    -Republicans are able to PUBLICLY work with Obama in a bipartisan manner

    I think the first two are possible. I sincerely doubt the third one will happen, which will make governing in a healthy manner that much more difficult.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,952
    digster wrote:
    I think the first two are possible. I sincerely doubt the third one will happen, which will make governing in a healthy manner that much more difficult.


    Why not give it a try before being so negative? ;)
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Well, that's pretty sad because there is a very angry left and a very angry right...the angry left got bigger over the last 8 years and now they are surprised that some on the right are angry about Obama being elected? It's just very confusing to me...

    Note the term you used yourself; "got bigger over the last 8 years"

    Besides that, you seem to not be acknowledging that the 'angry left' grew because people had reason to be angry, because there was an incompetent Republican in the White House.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Why not give it a try before being so negative? ;)

    We'll see. To do that, Republicans working with Obama will have to acknowledge that A) Obama is a bipartisan president, and B) that Obama is THE PRESIDENT. He's the guy in charge. And every time Republicans agree to work with him, they'd be admitting those two things in public constantly, whether in word or deed. I'm hoping they do, because it'll be good for the country, but I don't know if they do, because they're going to want to run for the White House in four years. I'm hoping they're willing to put their country before their party, and I'm hoping that Obama continues the bipartisan message he has used throughout the campaign.
  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I think the hatred was there from the beginning...I think it never changed due to the screw ups, but plenty of people were pissed complaining about the direction of the country, etc before he ever set foot in the white house.

    And those people were correct. He fucked up monumentually and repeatedly.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    cincybearcat wrote:
    And many people are not happy with the direction Obama will be taking this country, it's natural for them to be upset. People say that they have to wait and see him screw up first, but for people that disagree with the road he is even about to walk down don't need to see where it leads, they want him to take a different road.

    All I'm saying is I understand why some people are happy and some people are pissed, and I don't think anyone needs to wait to say what they feel RIGHT now.
    Awesome post. I'm totally with you.
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  • Maicojames
    Maicojames Posts: 35
    I am giving him a chance, and not just 100 days or whatever. Like Mc Cain I will back him as president-and yes the last at least 4 years have been tough.
    I hope and expect he will become more centrist.

    While we are at it...
    How about laying off the "Southern" bullshit-not on this thread but saw it on another. It is not reasonable to suggest that living below the Mason-Dixon line makes you a knuckle dragging racist homophobe who watches nascar and fucks his sister, now is it?

    BTW I lived in the midwest ,and where I was well....needed help.Let's just say that it was four cities, and "they" lived on "the other side of the river"
    I bought a hood for an old car from a friend of my asst mgr-and went to "the other side of the river" to get it. I actually heard about it from some employees and customers. ..but I do not label northerners as bigots.
  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    Maicojames wrote:
    I hope and expect he will become more centrist.


    Why? Bush didn't attempt to become more centrist. Just deal with the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans voted for a 'liberal'.

    Regarding the generalisations about the southern states. It has value. Of course people aren't talking in absolutes -sure there are plenty of informed people there-its just there are fuck loads more ignorant assholes there as well. Whether you want to look a social attitudes, human rights or understanding of global issues those regions have always been the most resistant and problematic throughout American History.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    Speakers wrote:
    All you right wingers are hating already. Why don't you give him at least 100 days? Why start off with negative hate already?

    Obviously the 8 years hasn't worked. I understand the hate during the campaign. But the election is now over. The country decided to go in a new direction. Why not wait to see what happens?

    If things get worse, continue hating but Obama isn't even in office yet and so many of you are doom and gloom predictors.

    Take a deep breath, chill out and see what happens. You don't know the future so relax and let it happen.

    I really don't get the sentiment that the last 8 years hasn't worked. What exactly are you complaining about? The unprecendented proseperity, or the lack of a terrorist attack on this nation since '01 (after Clinton failed to dispose of Bin Laden not once but at least THREE TIMES?)

    There's plenty of room to criticize W, we all can agree there, but it's not like y'all are living in poverty or anything, unless you made the choice yourself.

    There's enough blame to go around for both parties over our present financial system. Things are not so swell right now. Regardless of who won, there is a sense of urgency by the folks to take back control of our country. No matter who won.

    Quitcherbitchin', it's gonna be a long four years, it's not like McCain would be getting a pass from anyone right now. Why not join us in taking back control of our country, instead of blindly forfeiting yours to the next dictator? It's up to us, not them.

    lefties are already making excuses for this guy. It's our job to be critical, all of us, so let's get it on!

    And lefties have far more hate than righties, FACT. Wanna get us started there? get over it and move on. He's gonna get heat, and plenty 'o.
  • CitizenRick
    CitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    The negativity from the right about Obama is laughable! This country has gone into the toilet under their administration. We are more hated than ever by other countries...more reckless than ever with our money and we are fighting two wars...one bullshit and one half assed.

    Then your party ran a hate mongering...fear mongering...divisive based campaign. Well guess what? We the people have spoken...LOUDLEY! We no longer want what your "old fashioned" broken party has to offer!

    Tuesday...November 4th was an incredible day in American history and World history!

    Did you not see the celebrating going on Worldwide? Grant Park? in many cities across America? I have never seen anything like that in my 37 years on this earth. I have never felt that type of overwhelming emotion that I did as I attended an election party with both Republicans and Democrates (not a dry eye in the place).

    This man is clearly a "people mover"...give him a chance. It's time to turn the page!
    "Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    Why? Bush didn't attempt to become more centrist. Just deal with the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans voted for a 'liberal'.

    Regarding the generalisations about the southern states. It has value. Of course people aren't talking in absolutes -sure there are plenty of informed people there-its just there are fuck loads more ignorant assholes there as well. Whether you want to look a social attitudes, human rights or understanding of global issues those regions have always been the most resistant and problematic throughout American History.

    this is so much crap I don't even know where to begin. I've been all over this country, and you're only barely trying to disguise yor leftie hate and ignorance.

    New Yorkers and Californians are so "sophisticated" Paaalease, how smug and condescending.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    CitizenRick wrote:
    The negativity from the right about Obama is laughable! This country has gone into the toilet under their administration. We are more hated than ever by other countries...more reckless than ever with our money and we are fighting two wars...one bullshit and one half assed.

    Then your party ran a hate mongering...fear mongering...divisive based campaign. Well guess what? We the people have spoken...LOUDLEY! We no longer want what your "old fashioned" broken party has to offer!

    Tuesday...November 4th was an incredible day in American history and World history!

    Did you not see the celebrating going on Worldwide? Grant Park? in many cities across America? I have never seen anything like that in my 37 years on this earth. I have never felt that type of overwhelming emotion that I did as I attended an election party with both Republicans and Democrates (not a dry eye in the place).

    This man is clearly a "people mover"...give him a chance. It's time to turn the page!

    you live in a state that has almost bankrupt because of the failed policies of liberalism, and you still blame W. just ignorant.

    I really can;t stand ppl from Jersey, Cali, Mass, telling us how the last admin. hasn't worked, when your bastions of liberalism are screwing you left and right.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Ok c'mon now...me thinks you are forgetting the extreme hate from the left for W and all things republican.
    You seem to forget, I am sure because it was a long long time ago, but this country, or the liberals, didn't really start hammering against GW until he gave us all good reason to do so regarding the way he handled things in office.

    The election is over. Sure, be unhappy if you want. But you'll need to get over that and go on with life.

    If this is any consolation, the "worst president" bar has been buried so far deep in the ground by our current administration, that it will be virtually impossible for anyone to ever be as bad as GW. So, we've ALL got that going for us now. :)

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