Why not give it a try?

Speakers

All you right wingers are hating already. Why don't you give him at least 100 days? Why start off with negative hate already?

Obviously the 8 years hasn't worked. I understand the hate during the campaign. But the election is now over. The country decided to go in a new direction. Why not wait to see what happens?

If things get worse, continue hating but Obama isn't even in office yet and so many of you are doom and gloom predictors.

Take a deep breath, chill out and see what happens. You don't know the future so relax and let it happen.

U R A Crazy Breed

the right left paradigm is nothing but a control system!

free your mind!!

blondieblue227

'come together right now........over me'

eyedclaar

Crazy Breed wrote:

the right left paradigm is nothing but a control system!

free your mind!!

This is why… Because it’s like asking a one-armed monkey to solve a Rubik’s cube.

Speakers

blondieblue227 wrote:

'come together right now........over me'

Yes please!

jimed14

Speakers wrote:

All you right wingers are hating already. Why don't you give him at least 100 days? Why start off with negative hate already?

Obviously the 8 years hasn't worked. I understand the hate during the campaign. But the election is now over. The country decided to go in a new direction. Why not wait to see what happens?

If things get worse, continue hating but Obama isn't even in office yet and so many of you are doom and gloom predictors.

Take a deep breath, chill out and see what happens. You don't know the future so relax and let it happen.

If there's one thing the GOP has proved over the past 8+ years ... for their followers, it's easier to hate.

angelica

Crazy Breed wrote:

the right left paradigm is nothing but a control system!

free your mind!!

I totally agree.

decides2dream

Speakers wrote:

All you right wingers are hating already. Why don't you give him at least 100 days? Why start off with negative hate already?

Obviously the 8 years hasn't worked. I understand the hate during the campaign. But the election is now over. The country decided to go in a new direction. Why not wait to see what happens?

If things get worse, continue hating but Obama isn't even in office yet and so many of you are doom and gloom predictors.

Take a deep breath, chill out and see what happens. You don't know the future so relax and let it happen.

good advice....for just about anything really. prejudging with no actions really helps nothing there. no matter what, it's all brand-new....we truly don't know.....so give a bit of time. and i know many believe it'll be same-old, same-old...business as usual, but again...you can't know.....so sure....... as keanu says, free your mind.


edit - oops...apparently crazy breed says it too.

beachdweller

Speakers wrote:

All you right wingers are hating already. Why don't you give him at least 100 days? Why start off with negative hate already?

Obviously the 8 years hasn't worked. I understand the hate during the campaign. But the election is now over. The country decided to go in a new direction. Why not wait to see what happens?

If things get worse, continue hating but Obama isn't even in office yet and so many of you are doom and gloom predictors.

Take a deep breath, chill out and see what happens. You don't know the future so relax and let it happen.

first, the first 100 days is a marketing tool, so give him the first year IMO. second, right wingers can't give him a chance because that would mean admitting they were wrong, and we all know rule #1 in Karl Rove's list is never admin you are wrong. If you piss on someones gate, are videotaped, and the world is watching, you still deny it. the right wingers are irrelevant now, the moderate republicans will prevail and take back control until Obama truly blows it, anything short of failure for Obama will show those that didn't vote for him out of fear of the spin they were fed was wrong, and that will hurt the right wing of the republican party, and empower moderates. Leaving about 35% of the country without of voice while 65% work together for the good of America.

digster

I'd say this; if Obama moves away from his campaign proposals and attitude, and governs from the far left and more importantly in an extremely partisan attitude, then I wouldn't blame the GOP for being angry and what not. But if he follows through on what he's said and does make good faith efforts to reach out, and they reject it cause of whatever reason, then what the hell are they even in public service for? It would be hurting the country to help your political party.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

dont hate the playa, hate the game.

decides2dream

digster wrote:

I'd say this; if Obama moves away from his campaign proposals and attitude, and governs from the far left and more importantly in an extremely partisan attitude, then I wouldn't blame the GOP for being angry and what not. But if he follows through on what he's said and does make good faith efforts to reach out, and they reject it cause of whatever reason, then what the hell are they even in public service for? It would be hurting the country to help your political party.

i wouldn't blame ANYone for being angry....b/c that is not what got him elected, not why people want him in office.

cincybearcat

jimed14 wrote:

If there's one thing the GOP has proved over the past 8+ years ... for their followers, it's easier to hate.

Ok c'mon now...me thinks you are forgetting the extreme hate from the left for W and all things republican.

The fact is, when the party you agree with is not in power, you end up not being happy and you end up being negative towards the "other guy"...hell, you just spent 8 years being that way, you'd think you'd remember.

decides2dream

cincybearcat wrote:

Ok c'mon now...me thinks you are forgetting the extreme hate from the left for W and all things republican.

The fact is, when the party you agree with is not in power, you end up not being happy and you end up being negative towards the "other guy"...hell, you just spent 8 years being that way, you'd think you'd remember.

not all of us have party affiliations ya know.
just sayin'.....


i am not for/against republicans or democrats per se....i am for candidates who more closely align with my personal pov. so i have never hated all things rep or dem. i have not been happy these past 8 years b/c of the decisions and actions made, has nothing do with the party.

cincybearcat

decides2dream wrote:

not all of us have party affiliations ya know.
just sayin'.....


i am not for/against republicans or democrats per se....i am for candidates who more closely align with my personal pov. so i have never hated all things rep or dem. i have not been happy these past 8 years b/c of the decisions and actions made, has nothing do with the party.

And many people are not happy with the direction Obama will be taking this country, it's natural for them to be upset. People say that they have to wait and see him screw up first, but for people that disagree with the road he is even about to walk down don't need to see where it leads, they want him to take a different road.

All I'm saying is I understand why some people are happy and some people are pissed, and I don't think anyone needs to wait to say what they feel RIGHT now.

digster

cincybearcat wrote:

Ok c'mon now...me thinks you are forgetting the extreme hate from the left for W and all things republican.

The fact is, when the party you agree with is not in power, you end up not being happy and you end up being negative towards the "other guy"...hell, you just spent 8 years being that way, you'd think you'd remember.

I think the extreme hatred for Bush developed over the course of the monumental screwups his eight years in office contained, as well as the for lack of a better term, problematic way he entered office in January of 2001. As far back as I can remember, and from what those older than me tell me, there is hurt feelings but also the feeling of a 'clean slate' when a President enters office. We've always heard of the 100-day period, and Obama won a mandate; so I suppose it's a fair question to ask why the extreme hate.

As I said, I'd understand completely if Obama governed in an extremely partisan manner, considering he ran on a message of bipartisanship. But if Obama does, in fact, make good efforts to work in a bipartisan manner and Republicans reject it, then in short, what the hell?

decides2dream

cincybearcat wrote:

And many people are not happy with the direction Obama will be taking this country, it's natural for them to be upset. People say that they have to wait and see him screw up first, but for people that disagree with the road he is even about to walk down don't need to see where it leads, they want him to take a different road.

All I'm saying is I understand why some people are happy and some people are pissed, and I don't think anyone needs to wait to say what they feel RIGHT now.

well i do think some may be preemptively jumping the gun on just how *bad* it may be, even if they overall disagree with the road obama may take this country down, that's all. i agree it's natural to be upset by seeing the candidate and ideals that you support not make it, think the country will not be going in the direction you desire.....but really, i just think it's a bit overboard from the get-go is all. simply my opinion on it.


anyhoo....were'nt we told over and over there's practically 'no difference' between obama and mccain, so what is everyone worried about?

cincybearcat

digster wrote:

I think the extreme hatred for Bush developed over the course of the monumental screwups his eight years in office contained, as well as the for lack of a better term, problematic way he entered office in January of 2001. As far back as I can remember, and from what those older than me tell me, there is hurt feelings but also the feeling of a 'clean slate' when a President enters office. We've always heard of the 100-day period, and Obama won a mandate; so I suppose it's a fair question to ask why the extreme hate.

As I said, I'd understand completely if Obama governed in an extremely partisan manner, considering he ran on a message of bipartisanship. But if Obama does, in fact, make good efforts to work in a bipartisan manner and Republicans reject it, then in short, what the hell?

I think the hatred was there from the beginning...I think it never changed due to the screw ups, but plenty of people were pissed complaining about the direction of the country, etc before he ever set foot in the white house.

Before they ever get into the white house, you know what they said they want to do.

digster

cincybearcat wrote:

And many people are not happy with the direction Obama will be taking this country, it's natural for them to be upset. People say that they have to wait and see him screw up first, but for people that disagree with the road he is even about to walk down don't need to see where it leads, they want him to take a different road.

All I'm saying is I understand why some people are happy and some people are pissed, and I don't think anyone needs to wait to say what they feel RIGHT now.

Well, people do need to take a wait and see attitude. No one knows how this man will lead the nation in the coming months and years. George Bush, if you remember, campaigned as a 'compassionate conservative', and attracted people across the country by his moderate version of the right-wing. If he had governed in the manner and by the message with which he campaigned, we would have had a different presidency.

cincybearcat

digster wrote:

and Obama won a mandate

See...people hated W for saying stuff like this...and they should. Obama won 53% of the vote...that 47% against...that's hardly a mandate of any kind and he'd be good to remember that.

To his credit, he mentioned it in his speech...I hope he remembers it. Because the reality is that even of that 53% that voted for him, they disagree with him on major issues, it's just that the religious right drove them away from the Republican party.

digster

cincybearcat wrote:

I think the hatred was there from the beginning...I think it never changed due to the screw ups, but plenty of people were pissed complaining about the direction of the country, etc before he ever set foot in the white house.

Before they ever get into the white house, you know what they said they want to do.

I think I'm a bit confused by what you're saying when you say the left; do you mean that far smaller portion of extreme partisans on 'the left', or do you mean half of the country that would consider themselves Democrat/left/liberal/whatever. Because I don't think you're giving the latter section much credit if you're throwing them in with the former in terms of being able to decide for themselves whether they like a president or not.

TheDecline13

eyedclaar wrote:

This is why… Because it’s like asking a one-armed monkey to solve a Rubik’s cube.

I can solve a cube with one arm & if u believe in evaluation we came from monkeys!

digster

cincybearcat wrote:

See...people hated W for saying stuff like this...and they should. Obama won 53% of the vote...that 47% against...that's hardly a mandate of any kind and he'd be good to remember that.

To his credit, he mentioned it in his speech...I hope he remembers it. Because the reality is that even of that 53% that voted for him, they disagree with him on major issues, it's just that the religious right drove them away from the Republican party.

OK, easy there. When I said mandate, I was referring to the Electoral College tally, which was over 360 electoral votes, higher than either total George W. Bush ever had.

cincybearcat

digster wrote:

I think I'm a bit confused by what you're saying when you say the left; do you mean that far smaller portion of extreme partisans on 'the left', or do you mean half of the country that would consider themselves Democrat/left/liberal/whatever. Because I don't think you're giving the latter section much credit if you're throwing them in with the former in terms of being able to decide for themselves whether they like a president or not.

People from all areas of the left, but not all people from the left.

Anyhow, I'm just surprised that people are surprised that others are upset and think Obama will be bad for the country...happens every election. It's why he didn't get 47% of the vote.

cincybearcat

digster wrote:

OK, easy there. When I said mandate, I was referring to the Electoral College tally, which was over 360 electoral votes, higher than either total George W. Bush ever had.

I just think the "mandate term" is completely and utterly ridiculous. Win 66.6% and you can maybe entertain the idea of a mandate.

Obama's only mandate is he needs to work with both parties, if he doesn't, nothing will change, and he'll lose a lot of the votes he picked up in 2012...like mine.

digster

cincybearcat wrote:

People from all areas of the left, but not all people from the left.

Anyhow, I'm just surprised that people are surprised that others are upset and think Obama will be bad for the country...happens every election. It's why he didn't get 47% of the vote.

I think there's a difference between disappointment and hatred. It's a different discussion, but in regards to the point about the hatred towards Bush, I think I'm just a little tired of the finger-pointing regarding the "Angry Left" after the shameful manner in which some conservative-minded people and groups behaved during this election cycle. I don't condemn the entire Republican Party because of it, but it makes it more difficult to take mention of the angry Left quite as seriously.

Strangest Tribe

I say "fuck 'em" if they're already pissing and moaning.

There's no substance to complain about, just sour grapes

cincybearcat

digster wrote:

but it makes it more difficult to take mention of the angry Left quite as seriously.

Well, that's pretty sad because there is a very angry left and a very angry right...the angry left got bigger over the last 8 years and now they are surprised that some on the right are angry about Obama being elected? It's just very confusing to me...

digster

cincybearcat wrote:

I just think the "mandate term" is completely and utterly ridiculous. Win 66.6% and you can maybe entertain the idea of a mandate.

Obama's only mandate is he needs to work with both parties, if he doesn't, nothing will change, and he'll lose a lot of the votes he picked up in 2012...like mine.

Well, again, I was referring to the electoral college. Maybe, instead of mandate, insert, "most commanding victory we've seen in a presidential election since 1996." Bush won a much closer election than this year's election in both 2000 and 2004 and didn't seem to give a damn about bipartisanship. I hope and expect Obama to do differently. I think he will; the trick will be to see if

-Democrats in Congress are willing to rein themselves in and work in a bipartisan manner
-Republicans are willing to work with Obama in a bipartisan, healthy manner
-Republicans are able to PUBLICLY work with Obama in a bipartisan manner

I think the first two are possible. I sincerely doubt the third one will happen, which will make governing in a healthy manner that much more difficult.

cincybearcat

digster wrote:

I think the first two are possible. I sincerely doubt the third one will happen, which will make governing in a healthy manner that much more difficult.

Why not give it a try before being so negative?

digster

cincybearcat wrote:

Well, that's pretty sad because there is a very angry left and a very angry right...the angry left got bigger over the last 8 years and now they are surprised that some on the right are angry about Obama being elected? It's just very confusing to me...

Note the term you used yourself; "got bigger over the last 8 years"

Besides that, you seem to not be acknowledging that the 'angry left' grew because people had reason to be angry, because there was an incompetent Republican in the White House.