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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    Why can't actor's and singer's just do what we pay them to do, ENTERTAIN US!!!!


    did that go for reagan, as well?

    isn't it ironic when a liberal entertainer speaks their mind the right screams for them to shut up, yet the political figure they hold in highest regard was a 2nd rate actor who acted opposite monkeys!!! kinda makes ya laugh
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • republicanfan74
    republicanfan74 Posts: 22
    ryan198 wrote:
    the funny part is that you get the timeline right but you are looking at it from the microlevel. at a larger level the power corporations have helped facilitate many of these things that you are lamenting.
    Please explain to me how Boeing, Walmart, Cocoa-cola, ext. contributes to our social ill's. They provide jobs, and make or sell products.
    As far as academia is to blame, school policies like social promotion, political correctness, removal of corporal punishment, NEA oppisition to choice, which would encourage improvement through competition are some examples.
    Hollywood for pushing sex and violence and a total lack of any moral substance. The rap industry which has done more damage to inner-city problems than anything. The liberal media machine which despises what this country stands for and seeks to transform us into Europe.
    All the areas i just listed are operated by huge majority of people who consider themselves liberal.
  • republicanfan74
    republicanfan74 Posts: 22
    El_Kabong wrote:
    did that go for reagan, as well?

    isn't it ironic when a liberal entertainer speaks their mind the right screams for them to shut up, yet the political figure they hold in highest regard was a 2nd rate actor who acted opposite monkeys!!! kinda makes ya laugh
    I have said repeatedly that I am not against any entertainer taking about issues, just not at their shows. As for Reagan, I believe he left the entertainment field when he ran for gov. and president as Arnold did.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    Please explain to me how Boeing, Walmart, Cocoa-cola, ext. contributes to our social ill's. They provide jobs, and make or sell products.
    As far as academia is to blame, school policies like social promotion, political correctness, removal of corporal punishment, NEA oppisition to choice, which would encourage improvement through competition are some examples.
    Hollywood for pushing sex and violence and a total lack of any moral substance. The rap industry which has done more damage to inner-city problems than anything. The liberal media machine which despises what this country stands for and seeks to transform us into Europe.
    All the areas i just listed are operated by huge majority of people who consider themselves liberal.
    You show you can manage one side of the coin. Willing to go for understanding the other side? It's from understanding the two sides that you'll understand the coin. To keep perpetuating one-sidedness contributes to the problem, not to solving it.

    (hint: you see the good the companies do. Are you saying these companies are only good and do only good things?

    Then you notice the harm rap does, or Hollywood. Are you saying they are purely bad? If you are in fact saying this, I must point to the flaw that you see being in the filters you are looking through)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • BrinkofForever
    BrinkofForever Posts: 373
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    I see you take your voting cues from your favorite performers. I realize to fan's like you their experts in this area. Please explain how calling bush a liar in any way contributed to any debate.
    Thank god yourself and he are in the minority.
    If Bush's approval rating is any reflection on the minority you're speaking of, I think you have things backwards.
    Make your life a mission - not an intermission. - Arnold Gasglow
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    The liberal media machine which despises what this country stands for and seeks to transform us into Europe.
    Oh, the horror!!! Europe, ewww! They have less crime, they imprison a lower percentage of their population, they have lower poverty rates, everyone is guaranteed access to health care, higher education is available at a reasonable cost, they have more vacation days than we do, they have a fabulous public transportation system, their environments are cleaner ... sounds like a real hell-hole, I sure hope we don't turn into that.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    Please explain to me how Boeing, Walmart, Cocoa-cola, ext. contributes to our social ill's. They provide jobs, and make or sell products.
    As far as academia is to blame, school policies like social promotion, political correctness, removal of corporal punishment, NEA oppisition to choice, which would encourage improvement through competition are some examples.
    Hollywood for pushing sex and violence and a total lack of any moral substance. The rap industry which has done more damage to inner-city problems than anything. The liberal media machine which despises what this country stands for and seeks to transform us into Europe.
    All the areas i just listed are operated by huge majority of people who consider themselves liberal.
    Obviously you have never worked for a corporation. In this new form of managerial industrialism, in which man builds machines which act like men and develops men who act like machines, is conducive to an era of dehumanization and complete alienation, in which men are transformed into things and become appendices to the process of PRODUCTION and CONSUMPTION. Read "The Sane Society" by Erich Fromm, which examines this in detail.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    Please explain to me how Boeing, Walmart, Cocoa-cola, ext. contributes to our social ill's. They provide jobs, and make or sell products.
    As far as academia is to blame, school policies like social promotion, political correctness, removal of corporal punishment, NEA oppisition to choice, which would encourage improvement through competition are some examples.
    Hollywood for pushing sex and violence and a total lack of any moral substance. The rap industry which has done more damage to inner-city problems than anything. The liberal media machine which despises what this country stands for and seeks to transform us into Europe.
    All the areas i just listed are operated by huge majority of people who consider themselves liberal.
    hahaahaha...go see my response to your post on the Eddie VH1 thing. What liberal media machine...you mean the one's owned by rich corporations that you choose to defend? Hollywood pushes for sex and violence because it makes money...that's not liberal. The rap industry has done more to damage inner-city problems than anything!?>!?! What, how about lack of social provisions, low paying jobs, and a prison industrial complex which makes money off of keeping the inner-city down? Academia is to blame? Again I ask, why is it that the world's most well read and informed people come to these liberal conclusions...maybe it's b/c they make the most sense. Is this tremorvoids brother?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hippiemom wrote:
    Oh, the horror!!! Europe, ewww! They have less crime, they imprison a lower percentage of their population, they have lower poverty rates, everyone is guaranteed access to health care, higher education is available at a reasonable cost, they have more vacation days than we do, they have a fabulous public transportation system, their environments are cleaner ... sounds like a real hell-hole, I sure hope we don't turn into that.

    yeah, what she said....
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    I have said repeatedly that I am not against any entertainer taking about issues, just not at their shows. As for Reagan, I believe he left the entertainment field when he ran for gov. and president as Arnold did.

    repeatedly? you only have 15 posts.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • republicanfan74
    republicanfan74 Posts: 22
    Brink wrote:
    If Bush's approval rating is any reflection on the minority you're speaking of, I think you have things backwards.
    I never pay attention to polls. If anyone called me in the evening to bother me on the phone, I would hang up on them. Only people upset about losing elections would take the time to sit through one. I will voice my opinion in november when it counts.
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Coke's a great choice
    http://www.laborrights.org/press/coke060602.htm
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    I never pay attention to polls. If anyone called me in the evening to bother me on the phone, I would hang up on them. Only people upset about losing elections would take the time to sit through one. I will voice my opinion in november when it counts.
    Okay, I think we are getting to the point where these rebuttals aren't even worth reading....
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • republicanfan74
    republicanfan74 Posts: 22
    ryan198 wrote:
    Just b/c hippiemom agrees with many of eddie's politics doesn't mean she takes her political cues from him, perhaps she has come to many similar conclusions. similarly how is eddie any different than rush, sean, anne, etc. they are performers too.
    Their field of expertise and occupation is political debate and opinion. They spend hours prepareing and educating their selves on the topic's they discuss.They have strong beliefs and opinions and are good at articulating them.
    I dont think Eddie did much research to proclaim Bush is a liar.
  • republicanfan74
    republicanfan74 Posts: 22
    ryan198 wrote:
    Coke's a great choice
    http://www.laborrights.org/press/coke060602.htm
    i agree
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    I dont think Eddie did much research to proclaim Bush is a liar.
    Yeah because thats pretty clear...
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • republicanfan74
    republicanfan74 Posts: 22
    hippiemom wrote:
    Oh, the horror!!! Europe, ewww! They have less crime, they imprison a lower percentage of their population, they have lower poverty rates, everyone is guaranteed access to health care, higher education is available at a reasonable cost, they have more vacation days than we do, they have a fabulous public transportation system, their environments are cleaner ... sounds like a real hell-hole, I sure hope we don't turn into that.
    I remember how well the youth in france felt when chiraq proposed labor laws that gave employers the right to terminate recent hirees. the youth protested for fear they may have to perform. And lets not forget the riots over the well treated muslim community. I have seen enough eropean teeth to know I don't want socialized medicine. I have seen enough replayes of the prime ministers questions to know i don't want 6 month or longer waiting times for medical procedures. I have never seen european country crime stats to opine on that. As for trainsportation systems, I'll take my car any day over rideing with a bunch of B.O. smelling passengers any day. as for the environment, anytime i see Paris or london on T.V. it always looks dirty to me.
  • republicanfan74
    republicanfan74 Posts: 22
    he still stands wrote:
    Yeah because thats pretty clear...
    Give one example. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. or the ten other who didn't let me cum on their blue dress.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    republicanfan74 wrote:
    Give one example. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. or the ten other who didn't let me cum on their blue dress.


    how about where he said the IAEA issued a report that said iraq was 6 months away from having a nuke, i don't know what more evidence we need.

    then the IAEA said they never issued a report saying that, and in fact their report said they had no evidence they have the capabality or have obtained the materials for a nuke program

    to which they said, oh we meant an older report

    to which the IAEA said noooo, we never said that in 91, either

    then they said oh yeah, we didn't mean the IAEA, we meant the IIST (who's report came out AFTER bush made the claim and said IF iraq obtained materials from foriegn sources it is POSSIBLE they could have a nuke in 6 months...kinda a biiiiig differnce between 91 and the future just as between IT'S POSSIBLE and THEY HAVE ONE)

    how about that?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    he still stands wrote:
    Okay, I think we are getting to the point where these rebuttals aren't even worth reading....
    Yup ... pretty severe case of mental myopia going on here ....
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963

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