not sure hwy you quoted me for this...the very definition of conservative is to stay w/ the status quo, liberals are more open to things, just the way it goes
capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
One group may be more inclined to stick with tradition and one may be willing to embrace change and new ways more.
I don't think because one leans towards tradition that they are any less "open to others", which was what your original statement said.
I will agree that imo, "left-leaning" people seem to way more include a humanitarian bent. That by no means equates to openmindedness, though as humanitarian people have blindspots and biases like anyone, unless they consciously work to weed them out and to become open-minded. Open mindedness was the term PaperPlates mentioned, and I agreed it is rare--I find it's the rare person who rather than defending their flaws and biases, are open to growing. Letting go of giving one's self permission to justify lack of understanding is rare from what I see.
as refering to religion (which is what i meant in my post which was a reply to cornifer discussing liberal religious ppl vs conservative religious ppl) i still believe that more liberal ppl would be more open to ppl of other religions than conservatives would be...this doesn't mean no conservative would be
that is a whole nother subject and you get into the tricky waters of 'labels' and who is actually what...a lot of ppl think hillary is liberal but i wouldn't describe her as such
You actually cover what I hear as the biggest bias from the "left" on this board, being religion, or should I say Christianity. And from what I gather, people justify that point as a valid bias, when I don't think it is valid to close our minds to understanding.
At the least, I'm thinking you must agree that left-leaning people are human and therefore have biases and blind spots. Or do you?
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Why is it that I am still hearing the phrase, "our country was founded on Christian principles." The bottom line is that in spite of Christian right attempts to rewrite history to make the founding fathers into Christians, little about their philosophy resembles that of Christianity. And yet our political leaders use this principle to gain a large amount of votes especially in the bible belt. And it most definitely has an influence on laws that are created and enforced. Why can't people see that Christianity is used to influence people's beliefs and values to whatever shape and form needed? I'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing arguments about gay marriage, abortion, and similar topics with religious as a foundation for someone's stance. Thoughts?
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
You tagged it with the seperation of church and state which Jefferson did not write but rather a Federal judge (named Black I believe) who wrote an opinion adding those words in the 40's. What is interesting is that Black wrote the opinion supporting the reimbursement of travel funds to individuals for attending paroachial or religious schools, upholding a NJ law. His point was that it did not cause a breakdown of the 'wall of seperation of church and state' for the state to reimburse everyone, not just those attending public schools.
Where did Miller go? Did he cry himself to sleep b/c something Hannity and O'Reilly told him about conservatives of the past was actually a lie? I haven't seen him duck and cover over an argument for a long time.
I happen to be both a proud republican and pearl jam fan. I taped the storyteller show on vh1 on my dvr and just watched it. To my dissapoinment, Eddie's first comment was a typical uneducated, liberal-entertainer comment, I did not record the show to hear. Why can't actor's and singer's just do what we pay them to do, ENTERTAIN US!!!! If you want to express your political opinion's, do so at the appropriate time and venue.
A little advice for all entertainers out there, its not good business practice to alienate half your possible fan pool. It also dosen't make sense to work in the entertainment industry and be pro-choice. Since Roe became law you have lost 30,000,000 possible fans.
Just some thoughts.
Although I am a republican, I am not a member of the christian-right. With that said, you would have to be blind to believe our founding fathers did not envision this country as a christian country. What they did not want was a religous-tyranny which England had with the Anglican church of England. The establishment clause was created to gaurentee religous freedom not seperation.
Since the first gavel dropped in both houses of congress, the session opened with a biblical prayer. If you were educated in those days you probably received it in your local church accompanied by prayer. Every president since GW has asked god to bless this country, and they were refering to "allah" or "budda".
If the founders envisioned this as a Christian nation, why are God and Jesus so conspicuously missing from the Constitution? Surely you don't think that was an accident?
First, the Declaration... established the birth of our country. It's opening paragraph exclaims that our rights are "endowed by the creator"(God). We the people then entrust the government through our elected representatives to establish the framework, which they did with the constitution. The constitution layed out the nuts and bolts of the law and government structure.
I find it interesting that I have responded to every point you make, yet you seem lacking in substance to any of my points. I may have missed some english grammer classes but you seemed to have missed the entire semester of debate101.
Please explain what "natures god', "creator", "devine providence" and "supreme judge of the land" are in the declaration. They are all references to god.
Can you imagine where we'd Muhammad Ali would be if he just "shut up at fought"?
of course ppl have certain biases, that doesn't necessarily mean it would invalidate or color their judgement.
i'm not discussing if 'more liberal' ppl are more 'open-minded' in an overall sense (again, labels)...but, i think if you compare how ppl of differing religions are treated they would be treated nicer and more openly by ppl who are more 'liberal'.
there is a certain bias towards christianity and i can't speak for anyone but me...i don't automatically judge someone b/c they say they are christian or most of the other religions (excluding ones involving sacrifice) and when i deride someone and say something negative about a 'christian' it is not aimed at anyone other than those whose actions have stated that's how they are, not someone like cornifer or hhkc who considers himself a christian
Why can't actor's and singer's just do what we pay them to do, ENTERTAIN US!!!!