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  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    aNiMaL wrote:
    You seem to forget, I am sure because it was a long long time ago, but this country, or the liberals, didn't really start hammering against GW until he gave us all good reason to do so regarding the way he handled things in office.

    The election is over. Sure, be unhappy if you want. But you'll need to get over that and go on with life.

    If this is any consolation, the "worst president" bar has been buried so far deep in the ground by our current administration, that it will be virtually impossible for anyone to ever be as bad as GW. So, we've ALL got that going for us now. :)

    wrong, historians have W as about the 18th best president. Sorry, be a little more specific in your critcism, saying W was the W.O.A.T. is more than slitely stoopid.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I just think the "mandate term" is completely and utterly ridiculous. Win 66.6% and you can maybe entertain the idea of a mandate. ;)

    Obama's only mandate is he needs to work with both parties, if he doesn't, nothing will change, and he'll lose a lot of the votes he picked up in 2012...like mine.
    Wow, you have already decided that you will not be voting for him in 4 years - when his administration hasn't even taken over the White House yet.

    Settle down.
  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    I hear Obama’s putting together a bi-partisan cabinet.
    That’s a step in the right direction.
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    prytoj wrote:
    wrong, historians have W as about the 18th best president. Sorry, be a little more specific in your critcism, saying W was the W.O.A.T. is more than slitely stoopid.
    Can you show some offical collective historian report that states this? And, what is W.O.A.T.?
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    And those people were correct. He fucked up monumentually and repeatedly.
    You know it. I truly wish I could say now, or even 4 or so years ago that all of our fears were unfounded. But, unfortunately, GW far surpassed our worst fears.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    prytoj wrote:
    I really don't get the sentiment that the last 8 years hasn't worked. What exactly are you complaining about? The unprecendented proseperity, or the lack of a terrorist attack on this nation since '01 (after Clinton failed to dispose of Bin Laden not once but at least THREE TIMES?)

    There's plenty of room to criticize W, we all can agree there, but it's not like y'all are living in poverty or anything, unless you made the choice yourself.

    There's enough blame to go around for both parties over our present financial system. Things are not so swell right now. Regardless of who won, there is a sense of urgency by the folks to take back control of our country. No matter who won.

    Quitcherbitchin', it's gonna be a long four years, it's not like McCain would be getting a pass from anyone right now. Why not join us in taking back control of our country, instead of blindly forfeiting yours to the next dictator? It's up to us, not them.

    lefties are already making excuses for this guy. It's our job to be critical, all of us, so let's get it on!

    And lefties have far more hate than righties, FACT. Wanna get us started there? get over it and move on. He's gonna get heat, and plenty 'o.
    This is so much crap I don't even know where to begin.
  • CitizenRick
    CitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    prytoj wrote:
    you live in a state that has almost bankrupt because of the failed policies of liberalism, and you still blame W. just ignorant.

    I really can;t stand ppl from Jersey, Cali, Mass, telling us how the last admin. hasn't worked, when your bastions of liberalism are screwing you left and right.

    Oh...you must be talking about our Liberal Governor Arnold Scharzenegger(R)...who has decided that Indian gaming is more impotant than our educational system.

    He has completely hacked our educational budget. SAD!
    "Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"
  • roar
    roar Posts: 1,116
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Ok c'mon now...me thinks you are forgetting the extreme hate from the left for W and all things republican.

    The fact is, when the party you agree with is not in power, you end up not being happy and you end up being negative towards the "other guy"...hell, you just spent 8 years being that way, you'd think you'd remember.

    exactly.

    and people complaining about the "booing" at the mccain concession speech...this is common at ALL concession speeches. i'm not saying it's classy, but if you're gonna throw stones... ;)

    politics bring out the best in people. (as seen on this message board and especially during this glorious election season. :))
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Can you show some offical collective historian report that states this? And, what is W.O.A.T.?

    gladly

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

    I have my problems with Bush and here they are:

    1. The NAU and the SPP (but then again, Clinton was the one who enacted NAFTA)

    2. The handling of Iraq, probably didn't need an all out war, and the handling thereof had been pretty miserable until the surge (McCain)

    3. He hasn't been especially kind to small farmers

    4. His willingness to expand the powers of the presidency

    I voted for Kerry in '04 largely on these basis.

    But all the lefties here are acting like their life is ruined because of W, and that's just rediculous. Care to debate that?
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    CitizenRick wrote:
    Oh...you must be talking about our Liberal Governor Arnold Scharzenegger(R)...who has decided that Indian gaming is more impotant than our educational system.

    He has completly hacked our educational budget. SAD!

    You don't remeber Grey Davis (Dem), you know, the guy who f-ed so bad that he was actually recalled mid-term? I still don't know exactly how bad you have to screw the pooch to get broken off like that. That's just hilarious.
    How about the fact that the state house and congress are, and have been, controlled by Dems?
    Arnold's performance has been lackluster lately, for sure, but I think you're missing the big picture and ignoring some very recent history.
    I grew up in Cali, Dems have been fucking up that state for years.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    it's RIDICULOUS.

    sorry. pet peeve. carry on.

    thanks for correcting me there, in a hurry to get it out there.
    Good show.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Wikipedia doesn't count man. Plus, that #18 is under the Wall Street Journal poll from 2005. That doesn't equate a historians point of view.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    aNiMaL wrote:
    This is so much crap I don't even know where to begin.

    go ahead, I got you.
  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    I voted for McCain. He lost. Now it is time to see how President elect Obama will do. I hope he does a great job. I think it sucks for people to be trashing him before he's done anything as President.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Wikipedia doesn't count man. Plus, that #18 is under the Wall Street Journal poll from 2005. That doesn't equate a historians point of view.

    Yeah, your thoughtful analysis of his presidency matters WAY more.
    sheesh.
  • BetterThanYou
    BetterThanYou Posts: 853
    who's hating? everyone i know, myself included, wish nothing but the best for obama. we all hope he turns out to be the best president ever. why wouldn't we want him to succeed? why would we want the leader of our country to fail? that makes no sense. and as far as giving him 100 days or 1 year....no, i'll give him his first term. when the '12 election rolls around, i'll evaluate and decide who gets my vote...just like any other year.
    "Have you ever.........pooped a balloon?"
    ~D.K.S.
  • CitizenRick
    CitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    prytoj wrote:
    You don't remeber Grey Davis (Dem), you know, the guy who f-ed so bad that he was actually recalled mid-term? I still don't know exactly how bad you have to screw the pooch to get broken off like that. That's just hilarious.
    How about the fact that the state house and congress are, and have been, controlled by Dems?
    Arnold's performance has been lackluster lately, for sure, but I think you're missing the big picture and ignoring some very recent history.
    I grew up in Cali, Dems have been fucking up that state for years.

    Of course I remember Davis...he did some good things...including in the educational field. He really fucked up with the electricity crisis...and Californians were pissed and needed a "fall guy". He may or may not have deserved it...but that's an argument for another day.

    Yes...we have both Senate seats (Boxer and Feinstien) but I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page as far as the main player in California.
    "Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    CitizenRick wrote:
    Of course I remember Davis...he did some good things...including in the educational field. He really fucked up with the electricity crisis...and Californians were pissed and needed a "fall guy". He may or may not have deserved it...but that's an argument for another day.

    Yes...we have both Senate seats (Boxer and Feinstien) but I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page as far as the main player in California.

    the main player is the senate, you're blaming the coach because the players on the field can't get the job done. Certainly worth SOME merit, but perspective.

    And Davis had far more problems than power.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Ok c'mon now...me thinks you are forgetting the extreme hate from the left for W and all things republican.

    The fact is, when the party you agree with is not in power, you end up not being happy and you end up being negative towards the "other guy"...hell, you just spent 8 years being that way, you'd think you'd remember.
    ...
    That is not entirely true.
    In 2000, there was the squabble over the Florida debacle... and the politicians were in a huff... but the average citizen who voted for Gore wasn't.
    And yeah... in 2004, there was extreme hatred because we have had 4 years of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft and Rice as proof.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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  • CitizenRick
    CitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    prytoj wrote:
    the main player is the senate, you're blaming the coach because the players on the field can't get the job done. Certainly worth SOME merit, but perspective.

    And Davis had far more problems than power.

    It's all very arguable of course. At least we can have an healthy and intelligent conversation instead of mud slinging and name calling.

    I could say that Pete Wilson benefited greatly budget wise by the dot com boom in the 90's and not so much because of his own wisdom.

    I don't think it's realistic to expect anybody to run a flawless term.
    "Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"

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