The mysterious disappearing thread

dayan · August 2006

Open wrote:

Actually people bring up the peace and good of muslims b/c what the terrorists do is so obviously horrible. The tendency has been to lump the word terrorist with muslim, rather then just call them terrorists. When the KKK is in the news do you hear them called Christian terrorists, no, b/c it's obvious that those people dont stand for Christianity. Same concept applies to the terrorists in the middle east. What's happening in the middle east is innocent people are being killed to get the terrosts. When this happens you turn those innocent peoples family into terrorist, it's an endless cycle. Look at the OKC bombing, it was retaliation for what happened in Waco (not the best example but you get the idea). As far as miller goes, he's just the shock jock of the board...insignifigant and begging for attention.

I'm sorry but your kkk analogy is flawed. Radical, fundamentalist Islam has a lot more currency in the Muslim world than the KKK has in the Christian world. The KKK can not be said to be Christian terrorists because Christianity has disowned them. Islamic terrorists, however, can, and should (if we are going to really understand their motivations) be described as Islamic, because they are probably, at this point, the most popular form of Islam in the Middle East.

dayan · August 2006

don't gimme no wrote:

You can substitute any prophet for mohammed in that statement and it would be just as accurate, which isn't very, btw. The majority of people who follow mohammed or any other spiritual leader are good people with good intentions. It's the people who twist and turn everything for their own benefit that are the jerkoffs. You're not stupid, right? So you realize how ridiculous it is to make this claim that you've made, right?

You say the majority of Muslims do not subscribe to the same sort of Islam that motivates terrorists. Why do you say this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you state this as if it's fact when I'm not sure that it is. Perhaps you could say this about Muslims outside of the Middle East and Central Asia, but in these regions it seems like radical Islam is becoming or has already become the dominant form of Islam. If Egypt were to have a free election now it is almost certain that the Muslim Brotherhood would win. Hamas already has won in the Palestinian territories. Hezbollah is the most popular group in the Arab world. I mean it seems more and more true that in the heartland of Islam one can not talk about a majority of Muslims being moderate.

dayan · August 2006

Ahnimus wrote:

I'd like to make the point that if you put Jew infront of all these crimes. E.g. Jewish Terrorist, Jewish Extremists, if you said anyone who follows the pharisees are jerk-offs, or if you question the history of Jews. You are labelled anti-semitic. People don't tolerate anti-semitism as we've seen several times on this board. However, it is acceptable to have prejudice towards Islam? That's a double-standard, truly hipocritical and disgusting.

I'm a Jew and I wouldn't say that. There have been Jewish terrorists, and there are Jewish extremists. I wouldn't say someone is an anti-semite just for saying such a thing. That doesn't mean that there aren't anti-semites around, and more than once reading posts on threads here I have had the uncomfortable feeling that people's anti-Israel attitudes were veering dangerously close to anti-semitism.

dayan · August 2006

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

It is certainly not an uninformed thing to say.

Religion can be a wonderful thing for anyone, but i fail to see the need to define yourself as a religion. Frankly, I just consider it as a way for people to distinguish among eachother so they can put down the rest of them.

It's an outdated idea that has done irreversable harm to society.

Be as spiritual as you care to be...

If there was no one saying "Well you're a Jew! /muslim/catholic/protestant/hindu or whatever" The world would be a lot more peaceful place.

I just cannot see a single good thing about organized religion. And don't pull that church-charity crap on me because you don't need a religious label to get together and help people.

Spirituality and religion are not the same thing. You can't just replace religion with spirituality. I'm an observant Jew. I believe in the Jewish tradition and teachings. I don't think that other religions are correct, but I accept the possibility that they are, and therefore respect people of other faiths. Whatever, what I'm trying to say is that religion is only a problem when it is misused, as is true with most things.

Puck78 · August 2006

dayan wrote:

If Egypt were to have a free election now it is almost certain that the Muslim Brotherhood would win.

They had the elections few months ago. The muslim brotherhood had an incrrease, but surely nothing close to the majority.

Pearl Jam and toast · August 2006

dayan wrote:

Spirituality and religion are not the same thing. You can't just replace religion with spirituality. I'm an observant Jew. I believe in the Jewish tradition and teachings. I don't think that other religions are correct, but I accept the possibility that they are, and therefore respect people of other faiths. Whatever, what I'm trying to say is that religion is only a problem when it is misused, as is true with most things.

I agree.

I think when "religion" is working at it's best, it's non-denominational.

The closer a 'spirituality' gets to cult status the closer to "religion" it is.

But that's just me.

Oddly enough, Jewish people tend to be more open to other beliefs,.. things that aren't of the Jewish faith. (at least in America this seems to be true).

Open · August 2006

dayan wrote:

I'm sorry but your kkk analogy is flawed. Radical, fundamentalist Islam has a lot more currency in the Muslim world than the KKK has in the Christian world. The KKK can not be said to be Christian terrorists because Christianity has disowned them. Islamic terrorists, however, can, and should (if we are going to really understand their motivations) be described as Islamic, because they are probably, at this point, the most popular form of Islam in the Middle East.

The KKK also hates Jews, i believe that is religous in context.

Open · August 2006

NMyTree wrote:

Muslims all over the world are trying to intimidate, bully and threaten people into never criticizing Islam/Muslims or presenting opinions or expressions of art- which implicate them in a negative manner.

That's their own fault for thinking they can shut up, the people of world, by verbal, legal or physical threats. They are to blame for their intolerance, unacceptance and narrow-minded, disrespectful approach to anyone not Muslim. Hell, they fight and kill themselves over different interpretations of Islam.

They can't shut the non-believers up.

People will continue to criticize them and illustrate their ignorance.

Dude, it just seems that you're biased....you should have just said so in the first place.....btw how many muslims do you know personally? How many tried to shut you up? Speaking of intimidate and bully...let's see the US went to iraq and called it "Shock and Aw" w/ weapons 100x more advanced than iraq.....Israel is going into Lebanon, again, w/ superior technology and weapons, both result in thousands of innocent dead civilians...and you talk about bullies? Open your eyes..

Ahnimus · August 2006

Open wrote:

Dude, it just seems that you're biased....you should have just said so in the first place.....btw how many muslims do you know personally? How many tried to shut you up? Speaking of intimidate and bully...let's see the US went to iraq and called it "Shock and Aw" w/ weapons 100x more advanced than iraq.....Israel is going into Lebanon, again, w/ superior technology and weapons, both result in thousands of innocent dead civilians...and you talk about bullies? Open your eyes..

lol, I talk to Muslims every day. I said one of the most offensive things I could probably say. I said religion is a fairy tale. Anyway, they still smile and talk to me. I probably shouldn't have said that though.

miller8966 · August 2006

Open wrote:

Dude, it just seems that you're biased....you should have just said so in the first place.....btw how many muslims do you know personally? How many tried to shut you up? Speaking of intimidate and bully...let's see the US went to iraq and called it "Shock and Aw" w/ weapons 100x more advanced than iraq.....Israel is going into Lebanon, again, w/ superior technology and weapons, both result in thousands of innocent dead civilians...and you talk about bullies? Open your eyes..

My eyes are opened and islamic extremism is the problem. WHo blew up the world trade center? The Cole Bombing? Who killed a danish writer for talking badly about the prophet mohammed? Who protested and set fire in the streets over a cartton?

oh yes but christians are the problem...lol

Open · August 2006

miller8966 wrote:

My eyes are opened and islamic extremism is the problem. WHo blew up the world trade center? The Cole Bombing? Who killed a danish writer for talking badly about the prophet mohammed? Who protested and set fire in the streets over a cartton?

oh yes but christians are the problem...lol

Yeah b/c i said christains are the problem..lol...you're so set in your ways that you reply with preset beliefs...sad...kind of like the terrorists; dont take time try to look at the world through someoneelse's eyes, just throw out your own preset views out there....very convenient.

JOEJOEJOE · August 2006

Ahnimus wrote:

lol, I talk to Muslims every day. I said one of the most offensive things I could probably say. I said religion is a fairy tale. Anyway, they still smile and talk to me. I probably shouldn't have said that though.

They probably smile and talk to you because they are afraid of what your malfunctioning psyche may do next!

Ahnimus · August 2006

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

They probably smile and talk to you because they are afraid of what your malfunctioning psyche may do next!

Hahaha, no they like me

Nothingman54 · August 2006

The people that control what what other people read want to take away our rights just like the gov. Its shameful.........Pearl Jam tought me to stand up and speak your mind....some people like it and others dont, and you would think on here of all places you could speak your mind......F Kat! Now she's going to kick me off........I dont care I spoke my mind.

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