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how about this explanation?
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
or this
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/aibs_2002_wtc.pdfmake sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need0 -
chopitdown wrote:how about this explanation?
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
or this
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/aibs_2002_wtc.pdf
allow me....
"do you believe everything the University of Sydney tells you? get back in line you sheep. you know nothing you stupid fucking moron"0 -
jlew24asu wrote:allow me....
"do you believe everything the University of Sydney tells you? get back in line you sheep. you know nothing you stupid fucking moron"
hehe... i figured that since it was from somewhere NOT in the US it had greater credibility AND i found it on the internet so by those 2 things it has to be true.make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need0 -
chopitdown wrote:hehe... i figured that since it was from somewhere NOT in the US it had greater credibility AND i found it on the internet so by those 2 things it has to be true.
keep up the good (common sense) fight.0 -
whatever.
you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
all you non believers,start practicing your ZIG HEIL!!!!!!!!!"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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can you be anymore predictable?0
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jlew24asu wrote:can you be anymore predictable?
insult others who disagree with you...check (bonus points for use saying one with diff opinion is full of shit")
pass them off as ignorant...check
use hitler/ nazi germany reference to as last ditch attempt to drive point home...check
sounds like all the bases were covered for a good MT thread.make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need0 -
There are dozens of instances pre-9/11 that were pointing to a massive terrorist attack on the U.S. including al queda operatives caught talking about it -- I guess Bush must've orchestrated those as well.0
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Jooooosh wrote:There are dozens of instances pre-9/11 that were pointing to a massive terrorist attack on the U.S. including al queda operatives caught talking about it -- I guess Bush must've orchestrated those as well.
Of course! That damned tag-team of Bush/Cheney spent years during the Clinton administration doing the same thing. They're omnipresent!"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
JamMastaE wrote:there you go posting facts and evidence again!! when will you learn?
it's not an inside job unless the mass media or popular mechanics says it is.
so shut up and go back to sleep like the rest of the sheep around here.
Perfect example of the incredible arrogance of some of the posters on here. Who's to say you arent a sheep for believing what you believe?!!!
Once again, i dont profess to know everything that happened and i never will know, but people like you are wrong for dismissing everyone else's opinions or views because they arent like yours. Its not entirely to do with intelligence like you imply in another post. I keep an open mind about the events of 9/11, but dont act like you know more about it because you choose to believe different theories from other people.People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.0 -
So believing the official 9/11 story makes you a sheep, but blindly accepting anything the internet tells you makes you an intellectual? Interesting.
Based on cell phone calls and the FDR/CVR information that was recovered, it's widely agreed upon that the terrorists who hijacked the planes explicitly stated they had a bomb -- that's why the fucking towers collapsed.
I believe there was actually a flight attendant who managed to make contact and state she'd seen the bomb (flight 11 I think that was).
Spend enough time and you can make a conspiracy theory about anything.0 -
Jooooosh wrote:So believing the official 9/11 story makes you a sheep, but blindly accepting anything the internet tells you makes you an intellectual? Interesting.
Based on cell phone calls and the FDR/CVR information that was recovered, it's widely agreed upon that the terrorists who hijacked the planes explicitly stated they had a bomb -- that's why the fucking towers collapsed.
I believe there was actually a flight attendant who managed to make contact and state she'd seen the bomb (flight 11 I think that was).
Spend enough time and you can make a conspiracy theory about anything.
But in that case surely the towers would have fallen a lot sooner, since they would have detonated on impact. Plus, and more to the point, how on earth would they have got a bomb on board?!
And I don't think people are "blindly accepting" anything online, they are responding to highly detailed arguments by experts. The official line expects the public to essentially believe that all elements of the attacks happened in a highly irregular manner. For example, a lot of pictures of high impact plane crashes have been shown, which quite clearly show the various parts of plane wreck - yet we are expected to believe that when the plane went down over Shanksville that it vaporized on impact, leaving barely any wreckage and just a relatively small smouldering hole. That's not me trying to come up with a conspiracy theory, that's me saying I don't believe the official explanation.
If it was only one strange incident, you could put it down to a freak occurance. But it's not just one, there are countless strange and unexplainable things that happened that day, and until those things are explained properly with evidence to back them up, people will always be questioning it.0 -
facepollution wrote:But in that case surely the towers would have fallen a lot sooner, since they would have detonated on impact. Plus, and more to the point, how on earth would they have got a bomb on board?!
And I don't think people are "blindly accepting" anything online, they are responding to highly detailed arguments by experts. The official line expects the public to essentially believe that all elements of the attacks happened in a highly irregular manner. For example, a lot of pictures of high impact plane crashes have been shown, which quite clearly show the various parts of plane wreck - yet we are expected to believe that when the plane went down over Shanksville that it vaporized on impact, leaving barely any wreckage and just a relatively small smouldering hole. That's not me trying to come up with a conspiracy theory, that's me saying I don't believe the official explanation.
If it was only one strange incident, you could put it down to a freak occurance. But it's not just one, there are countless strange and unexplainable things that happened that day, and until those things are explained properly with evidence to back them up, people will always be questioning it.
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facepollution wrote:But in that case surely the towers would have fallen a lot sooner, since they would have detonated on impact. Plus, and more to the point, how on earth would they have got a bomb on board?!And I don't think people are "blindly accepting" anything online, they are responding to highly detailed arguments by experts.The official line expects the public to essentially believe that all elements of the attacks happened in a highly irregular manner. For example, a lot of pictures of high impact plane crashes have been shown, which quite clearly show the various parts of plane wreck - yet we are expected to believe that when the plane went down over Shanksville that it vaporized on impact, leaving barely any wreckage and just a relatively small smouldering hole. That's not me trying to come up with a conspiracy theory, that's me saying I don't believe the official explanation.
If it was only one strange incident, you could put it down to a freak occurance. But it's not just one, there are countless strange and unexplainable things that happened that day, and until those things are explained properly with evidence to back them up, people will always be questioning it.
The entire day was chaos. Whenever an event like that happens, there will always be thousands of questions surrounding it. These conspiracy websites use these questions to instill paranoia and fear into their readers. There's a reason these conspiracy theories are ignored by virtually everyone in the mainstream media -- and no, it's not because Bush has them in his pocket -- it's because, as much as I'd hate to admit it, the rest of the country isn't that stupid.0 -
JamMastaE wrote:whatever.
you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
all you non believers,start practicing your ZIG HEIL!!!!!!!!!
are you smarter than me?0 -
chopitdown wrote:yep, the gov't stories do have problems but that doesn't mean they are behind it all. and your opinion is no more truth than the opinions given in the 911 commission report. Calling it the truth doesn't make it the truth. If it's just truth for you that's called an opinion. I dont' think anyone here has said they believe the whole government story, as much as it seems the conspiracy theorists would like to believe. It's like you're either with us (conspiracy theorists) or against us. Maybe, just maybe people who are capable of independent thought arrive at different conclusions than you, given all the opinion floating around.
There are some big facts you;re glossing over. Mainly thermite and melted steel.
These two things are not possible with open kerosene based fire.
The video evidence as well is quite alarming.
NIST and FEMA really don't have an explanation. They based their whole argument on a computer model whereby they had to crank the data to make it work.
There was no proper investigation, so I have no idea where you get your opinion and stubbornness in not wanting to know the truth from.
It does not appear it's from a common sense approach.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Jooooosh wrote:So believing the official 9/11 story makes you a sheep, but blindly accepting anything the internet tells you makes you an intellectual? Interesting.
Based on cell phone calls and the FDR/CVR information that was recovered, it's widely agreed upon that the terrorists who hijacked the planes explicitly stated they had a bomb -- that's why the fucking towers collapsed.
I believe there was actually a flight attendant who managed to make contact and state she'd seen the bomb (flight 11 I think that was).
Spend enough time and you can make a conspiracy theory about anything.
All were saying is a proper investigation is due...
They found thermite on the steel. How exactly?
A LOT (a lot) of very serious questions and findings need to be talked about.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:There are some big facts you;re glossing over. Mainly thermite and melted steel.
These two things are not possible with open kerosene based fire.
The video evidence as well is quite alarming.
let's see for thermite to form you must have rust and aluminum. Now lets suppose that there is some steel in the skyscraper. Let's suppose that there is over 3000 cubic feet of steel per floor is it possible that over time some of the steel or iron had rusted (it was constructed for many years, the steel was exposed to the elements and there were prob holes drilled and some protectant chipped off). I mean what are the odds that none of the hundreds of thousands of tons of steel didn't have rust, that nothing else in the building had rust. My guess is there was a lot of rust througout the building. Not nec all at one spot but throughout the building supports, cabinets, wiring tubes, computer rooms etc... Now if only there was something that was aluminum that was flammable that was introduced to the building. Oh there is alarming video evidence of an aluminum airplane with jet fuel on board that crashed into the building. So is it more possible that people planted tons of thermite explosive all over the building or is it more possible that a building that had been under construction since the 60's and was old had rust throughout the building (both in structure and in objects inside it) and an airplane (aluminum with jet fuel to spark reaction) flew into it and that's where the thermite rxn occurred? But i'm sure the 2nd scenario isn't a possible explanation at all.make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need0 -
chopitdown wrote:let's see for thermite to form you must have rust and aluminum. Now lets suppose that there is some steel in the skyscraper. Let's suppose that there is over 3000 cubic feet of steel per floor is it possible that over time some of the steel or iron had rusted (it was constructed for many years, the steel was exposed to the elements and there were prob holes drilled and some protectant chipped off). I mean what are the odds that none of the hundreds of thousands of tons of steel didn't have rust, that nothing else in the building had rust. My guess is there was a lot of rust througout the building. Not nec all at one spot but throughout the building supports, cabinets, wiring tubes, computer rooms etc... Now if only there was something that was aluminum that was flammable that was introduced to the building. Oh there is alarming video evidence of an aluminum airplane with jet fuel on board that crashed into the building. So is it more possible that people planted tons of thermite explosive all over the building or is it more possible that a building that had been under construction since the 60's and was old had rust throughout the building (both in structure and in objects inside it) and an airplane (aluminum with jet fuel to spark reaction) flew into it and that's where the thermite rxn occurred? But i'm sure the 2nd scenario isn't a possible explanation at all.
I think the findings are deeper than that, and what you suggest has been taken into consideration already.
What of melted steel in the basements, and round pellets of steel found in the dust debris?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:I think the findings are deeper than that, and what you suggest has been taken into consideration already.
What of melted steel in the basements, and round pellets of steel found in the dust debris?
have you ever been to the world trade center before 9/11? do you have any idea the magnitude of the structures?
what exactly does round pellets of steel prove to you?0
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