At&t Colluded With Bush Family Inside Job On 9/11

Skitch Patterson wrote:

Im setting aside all the politics, and even the possible motives. My general logistic questions to how it could have been pulled off have all been met by more and more bizarre explanations.

Skitch Patterson wrote:

Finally, you hit on the one. and only. sensible explanation that i was waiting for the whole time. Of course no one ever brings that up when discussing their theories.

Now keep in mind, all though that theory makes sense on a logisitical level, there is absolutely no evidence- cirmcumstanel or otherwise to back that up.

At that point its purely a matter of what you believe. I dont believe the US government (or any group for that matter) could keep everyone involved quiet.

CorporateWhore wrote:

There are undoubtedly millions of architects and engineers who would disagree with the people you've mentioned. They just haven't collectivized in some website.

I've also found the veracity of many of the "engineers" who support 9/11 Truth to be quite dubious. Some of them just call themselves engineers but they got a degree from Sears.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

At that level, your silence is your life...plain and simple. Not only that, at that level you only bring in the people who are loyal and want it to happen. Hard core neo-cons, and mossad agents. People are also often used for something and get killed afterwards in "mishaps" Nobody ever knows about them.

Who are you going tell to get the word out anyways? How is it getting into the media? They control the media.

You believe it was possible to find those passports unburned? All the other hundreds of extremely bizarre coincidences. No jets scrambled. Mock exercises the morning of? Bush lying about it even being conceivable? Talking about it long before in the White House. Wanting to take Iraq for decades. There's too much coincidence. Too many oddball angles and then how it was all played in the media on top of that.... Follow the money...follow the power. That's who did it. I'm not buying the media story at all.

To me believing it was all just strange coincidence seems to be more of stretch of the imagination than anything.

lucylespian wrote:

So far, not one of the thousands of necessary secret operatives has come forward to spill their guts, in a country full of gut spillers, to say, oh yeah, I organised the planes, or helped hide thousands of passengers who didn;t mind starting a new life and leaving all their family and friends behind.

lucylespian wrote:

Oh, that's right, Elvis was flying the plane, and Marilyn and James Dean were serving drinks.
Give it up Einstein, take your pills, get your bolts loosened, whatever, but give up on this whole conspiracy theory.
You are bonkers !!!!!

angelica wrote:

Here's the deal, CorporateWhore:

According to the branch of psychology called transactional analysis, when there are imbalanced dynamics going on, and imbalances of power, there will be imbalanced outcomes. This is of paramount importance:

People with paranoia are considered extra-perceptive, meaning they are more aware than the average person. When they perceive situations that are being discounted, it leads to the pathology of their view. When they are paranoid, it is BASED ON actual happenstances where there is reason for concern, and it is by their view and perception being discounted that the distortions in their view actually flourish.

So for example, when a government is lying, obfuscating and otherwise deceiving it's people, there will be a minority of people (up to 30%) with an ability to perceive aspects of hidden truths that have not been proven. Some of these individuals will have a weak sense of self, and big opposition to their perceptions from those around them. They will succumb to illness. Some will be otherwise blocked from their natural perceptions. And another percentage entirely will accurately perceive that there is something going on and will seek answers. This last group are like the members on this board, who while sometimes obviously angry--with good reason, giving the lying, deceit, etc, that DOES go on, are obviously functional, healthy idividuals in life, in that they work and carry on logical thought processes for their dissent.

The bottom line is that this government conspiracy dynmaic is set into play by the goverments who are deceitful and who do not accept accountability and responsibility for their actual actions. It creates the dynamics wherein our perceptive peoples can sense what is going on, and that something does not add up. This dynamic of honest questioning is perpetuated when our perfectly healthy "conspiracy theorists" pursue their underlying sense of this mis-appropriated power and are discounted and maligned on all levels from the environment--friends, family, message board people, governments. Each of these individuals knows they don't know the exact truth and don't exactly have the facts sorted out, they just know things are not on the table, and do not yet add up. That is rational and perceptive in my view, which is supported by the very psychology that delves into human interactions and inter-dynamics.

I can also see the many distortions and anger that seep out from our resident conspiracy theorists. It's clear these people have their own issues. To me it's similar to the distortions and anger that seep out from those who accept fully official stories and who also have their issues. There are underlying truths on both "sides" that are what it's really about. It's unfortunate that both sides can't see each other's truths, and understand, acknowledge and address their own weak points.

fraidknot wrote:

To open a small can of worms or 2….

1) There seems to be as it was said before, only 2 sides… you either believe some theory or you accept the official story.. and doing the later makes you a FOX news lovin’ Neo-con... This simply seems a lot like the Global warming debate, where if you agree with the scientists who think it is occurring (as a result of man) OR you agree with those who think it isn’t, and then you are an ignorant bush lover who wants to bathe your babies in mid-east oil and drive an SUV. I don’t think anyone on either issue is going to be 100 percent correct, but the 2 sided, no-nuance approach to both is laughable. Unfortunately, in a infotainment society… where the news is not the news unless it satisfies your need to be entertained at some level… the crackpot theories get equal play as the scientifically proven facts. In so doing, we allow for the facts to be marred in speculation because of the theory’s false elevation in importance.

fraidknot wrote:

I don't think that is what my post was getting at. I think that saying there are equal numbers of engineers with identical qualifications on each side of the argument is a false premise to begin with.

My post isnt about whos off their rocker...

fraidknot wrote:

the crackpot theories get equal play as the scientifically proven facts. In so doing, we allow for the facts to be marred in speculation because of the theory’s false elevation in importance....

CorporateWhore wrote:

I think if you give these people enough attention then it gives them some legitimacy. MIT professors and engineers would likely look for every reason to oppose the Bush administration if indeed 9/11 had been a conspiracy. But, they know that the evidence of a conspiracy is completely fabricated in most cases.

It's immoral for people with no background, expertise, or legitimate research on this topic to go around spreading lies about a conspiracy. This is akin to Young Earth Creationism, claiming against all the evidence that the earth is 6,000 years old and that nuclear dating is completely untrue. This is also similar to Holocaust denial.

I would urge those who feel the need to oppose the conspiracy theorists to just ignore them. Sure, they may still post threads but it would be better if the only people who responded were themselves. We've attempted to argue with them, but they simply can't be reasoned with. You just have to let this whole thing die a slow death I suppose.

CorporateWhore wrote:

Well certainly, bin Laden and Al Qaida conspired to bring down the WTC towers. But, the conspiracy most people here are referring to was hatched by the US Government, not a foreign body.

spiral out wrote:

Could the history channel not just be propaganda what makes you so sure that the history channel doesn't have an agenda?

I'm not sure what can of worms you have opened, you basically just came across like someone who believes what the media tells you. No real argument there, as far as i can see.