At&t Colluded With Bush Family Inside Job On 9/11

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Skitch Patterson wrote:

if you compare just the two scenerios i presented- and for the sake of discussion, remove the words "of terrorists" (leaving you with, a group who has acted...) I dont think anyone would disagree that one sounds far more plausible than the other.


and please explain to me how all of these things "would be simple to do" without anyone noticing, and not one person involved admitting it at any point in the past 6 years?


One time my bike was stolen.

I at first thought it was the kid who i made fun of everyday... but then i thought about it some more... and decided a far more likely scenerio was that a group of 3 arm mutants from chernobyl had created an invisible helicopter with the help of a time travelling stephen hawking. This invisible helicopter was a transformer named Captain Zoopy, who turned into a 4th dimensional monarch of a small african nation. He then created a group of gods who summoned the power of toucan sam to turn my bike into a field of cotton. So my bike wasn't stolen, it was now my shirt.

I have just as much of a hard time believing some irate Muslim farmers who couldn't even fly planes in the first place orchestrated and pulled off a master stroke over the most heavily defended airspace in the world.

Skitch Patterson

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I have just as much of a hard time believing some irate Muslim farmers who couldn't even fly planes in the first place orchestrated and pulled off a master stroke over the most heavily defended airspace in the world.

and a redneck from texas who cant even run his own family properly would be able to do it better? Remember, they took over the planes after take off... they just steered them.

a well done plan that is SIMPLE is far more likely to work then an elaborate plan that creates too many variables... and when you have to go into robot planes and sleeping gas (and this doesnt explain the phone calls to family members) to explain away the some of those variables, the plausibility factor becomes far less.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Skitch Patterson wrote:

and a redneck from texas who cant even run his own family properly would be able to do it better? Remember, they took over the planes after take off... they just steered them.

a well done plan that is SIMPLE is far more likely to work then an elaborate plan that creates too many variables... and when you have to go into robot planes and sleeping gas (and this doesnt explain the phone calls to family members) to explain away the some of those variables, the plausibility factor becomes far less.

Read about the mossad. Go to their home page click a link choose english and click on about us then read the directors message.

hey believe what you want. you haven't really given me anything to think about I already haven't already considered long ago.

Skitch Patterson

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Read about the mossad. Go to their home page click a link choose english and click on about us then read the directors message.

hey believe what you want. you haven't really given me anything to think about I already haven't already considered long ago.

Im setting aside all the politics, and even the possible motives. My general logistic questions to how it could have been pulled off have all been met by more and more bizarre explanations.

NMyTree

Ahnimus wrote:

What about the God conspiracy? Does this same thing apply to the theory of Gods and Spirits and Ghosts and Aliens and Vortexes and Laylines and on and on?

Maybe people are just gullible and have a thirst for the mysterious and outlandish.

My god is a sexy, sultry, playful female humanoid with four large, beautiful (natural) breasts with large erect nipples. She's intelligent and sexy. She speaks to me and comes to me in my slumber.

She's certainly mysterious and undoubtedly outlandish. But she's my god and everyone else who doesn't believe, can fuck off!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Skitch Patterson wrote:

Im setting aside all the politics, and even the possible motives. My general logistic questions to how it could have been pulled off have all been met by more and more bizarre explanations.

If you hire contractors to do the work, no one has to do anything themselves so they won't know any details about it. A 3rd party came in and set it up. All everyone saw was workers coming and going. People in America didn't have to know a thing except those that were on board with the PNAC faith. That's a very closed secret society.

Once you know how serious PNAC is and what it really entails you'll understand.

This is about the next world war. It's us or them...them being Eurasia, not some poor Muslim farmers. Muslims are the casualties of war, the excuse to take over the middle east, and maintain a stronger global position.

America is in desperation right now. The empire is crumbling. Oil has ran out, they need to get a firm footing into eastern resources to maintain the status quo. The east is not so happy about aggressive America anymore.

It's a not so picture perfect of a scenario. We do need to shed this terrorism sham and become peaceful and self sufficient on energy again. Otherwise...WW3 and a it could be a lot sooner than people think.

Echoes14

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If you hire contractors to do the work, no one has to do anything themselves so they won't know any details about it. A 3rd party came in and set it up. All everyone saw was workers coming and going. People in America didn't have to know a thing except those that were on board with the PNAC faith. That's a very closed secret society.

Once you know how serious PNAC is and what it really entails you'll understand.

This is about the next world war. It's us or them...them being Eurasia, not some poor Muslim farmers. Muslims are the casualties of war, the excuse to take over the middle east, and maintain a stronger global position.

America is in desperation right now. The empire is crumbling. Oil has ran out, they need to get a firm footing into eastern resources to maintain the status quo. The east is not so happy about aggressive America anymore.

It's a not so picture perfect of a scenario. We do need to shed this terrorism sham and become peaceful and self sufficient on energy again. Otherwise...WW3 and a it could be a lot sooner than people think.

Nobody is doubting that the US government used 9/11 to start their war in Iraq, but the theories you're describing here are more than outlandish.

First, you had no answer when Skitch Patterson pointed out that your sleeping gas theory couldn't be true because, well, people on the plane called their family members before the planes crashed. Beyond that, if this whole auto-pilot flying system theory of yours were to hold water, and the pilots couldn't over-ride it, then a plane wouldn't have crashed in the middle of a Pennsylvania field.

Second, just to implement your auto-pilot scheme would be next to impossible. Too many people are around the planes for anyone to perform that type of procedure on them. A "third party" can't just walk up a plane at the airport, or in a hangar, and go to work on them. I've worked for an airline for two years, and i know in general what kind of maintainance is going on, who's working on it, etc....... and i'm only a part-time rampie. And forget about the hangar; those union mechanics aren't going to let ANYBODY near their plane. That would be taking away work THEY'RE supposed to do, and that ain't gonna happen. And planes don't just disappear to some secret destination to have work done on them.

The problem here is that you're actually thinking about this 9/11 conspiracy theory crap so much, that you're wasting time you could be using to think of ways to deal with a much more pressing problem: how to change the situation we're in right now. Throwing out wild theories only discredits our positions on other things that DO have meaning. In other words, you're not doing the good guys any favors.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Echoes14 wrote:

Nobody is doubting that the US government used 9/11 to start their war in Iraq, but the theories you're describing here are more than outlandish.

First, you had no answer when Skitch Patterson pointed out that your sleeping gas theory couldn't be true because, well, people on the plane called their family members before the planes crashed. Beyond that, if this whole auto-pilot flying system theory of yours were to hold water, and the pilots couldn't over-ride it, then a plane wouldn't have crashed in the middle of a Pennsylvania field.

Second, just to implement your auto-pilot scheme would be next to impossible. Too many people are around the planes for anyone to perform that type of procedure on them. A "third party" can't just walk up a plane at the airport, or in a hangar, and go to work on them. I've worked for an airline for two years, and i know in general what kind of maintainance is going on, who's working on it, etc....... and i'm only a part-time rampie. And forget about the hangar; those union mechanics aren't going to let ANYBODY near their plane. That would be taking away work THEY'RE supposed to do, and that ain't gonna happen. And planes don't just disappear to some secret destination to have work done on them.

The problem here is that you're actually thinking about this 9/11 conspiracy theory crap so much, that you're wasting time you could be using to think of ways to deal with a much more pressing problem: how to change the situation we're in right now. Throwing out wild theories only discredits our positions on other things that DO have meaning. In other words, you're not doing the good guys any favors.

My point, which you may have missed, (or I didn't convey clearly enough) is anyone can make up anything and try to prove it. People can also commit outrageous acts and have them appear one sided. People also often argue about minor details endlessly and miss the big picture stuff of what is actually going on.

The examples were hypothetical things off the top of my head that I thought about for like 20 seconds to prove a point.

Hey believe 9/11 or don't, but at least relate to whats going on in the world and see how it ties into 9/11. That much everyone as a minimum needs to do.

I you believe the media is 100% correct, at face value, and it's all really just to fight the evil terrorists, then swallow the red war pill right now, and onwards towards nuclear destruction you go. There will be no end to that means without global mass extinction.

If you can see how 9/11 was a inside job and you oppose how the US govt and media is spinning war, and fear, and torture, and loss of personal rights, around the world, then you take the blue pill and move for a peaceful scenario, and declare end to perpetual war.

Then you vote and act accordingly.

9/11 or no 9/11. Regardless of what I say. 9/11 got it all rolling again.

I could spend a million years explain a million different ways how it could have been done, and it would never be complete, or generally understood, believed, or even really matter otherwise.

Someone new would fill the spot and refute the claim seeking answers, and spend much lost time fretting the details, while they big guys play their game.

I'll leave it at that.

But anyhow that's what were all faced with. Decisions. With or against. Do you want to accelerate an eventual WW3 against Russia and China or avoid it?

spiral out

CorporateWhore wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M&mode=related&search=

9/11 Truth nutjobs OWNED

Haha, my favorite is when the Pop Mechanics guy asks the nutjob "did you interview him?" and the guy says "no."

Insane. They have no effing idea what they're talking about.

Pop mechanics nutjobs OWNED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULRQCgvsdE

Posted it in another thread but you all decided to ignore it.

CorporateWhore

spiral out wrote:

Pop mechanics nutjobs OWNED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULRQCgvsdE

Posted it in another thread but you all decided to ignore it.

You can tell the caller is fucking nuts by how he needs to interrupt the Popular Mechanics guy.

They just sound crazier and crazier. They don't have a leg to stand on. It's sad.

spiral out

CorporateWhore wrote:

You can tell the caller is fucking nuts by how he needs to interrupt the Popular Mechanics guy.

They just sound crazier and crazier. They don't have a leg to stand on. It's sad.

Ah ok mate, it rather came accross that the guy from Popular Mechanics didn't have an answer.

And he was also wrong about the definition of pull, not being used in the Demolition industry.

But i guess you can happily ignore those facts while calling us crazy.

Edit: This discredits popular mechnics for me though.

CorporateWhore

I think if you give these people enough attention then it gives them some legitimacy. MIT professors and engineers would likely look for every reason to oppose the Bush administration if indeed 9/11 had been a conspiracy. But, they know that the evidence of a conspiracy is completely fabricated in most cases.

It's immoral for people with no background, expertise, or legitimate research on this topic to go around spreading lies about a conspiracy. This is akin to Young Earth Creationism, claiming against all the evidence that the earth is 6,000 years old and that nuclear dating is completely untrue. This is also similar to Holocaust denial.

I would urge those who feel the need to oppose the conspiracy theorists to just ignore them. Sure, they may still post threads but it would be better if the only people who responded were themselves. We've attempted to argue with them, but they simply can't be reasoned with. You just have to let this whole thing die a slow death I suppose.

Skitch Patterson

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

My point, which you may have missed, (or I didn't convey clearly enough) is anyone can make up anything and try to prove it. People can also commit outrageous acts and have them appear one sided. People also often argue about minor details endlessly and miss the big picture stuff of what is actually going on.

The examples were hypothetical things off the top of my head that I thought about for like 20 seconds to prove a point.

Hey believe 9/11 or don't, but at least relate to whats going on in the world and see how it ties into 9/11. That much everyone as a minimum needs to do.

I you believe the media is 100% correct, at face value, and it's all really just to fight the evil terrorists, then swallow the red war pill right now, and onwards towards nuclear destruction you go. There will be no end to that means without global mass extinction.

If you can see how 9/11 was a inside job and you oppose how the US govt and media is spinning war, and fear, and torture, and loss of personal rights, around the world, then you take the blue pill and move for a peaceful scenario, and declare end to perpetual war.

Then you vote and act accordingly.

9/11 or no 9/11. Regardless of what I say. 9/11 got it all rolling again.

I could spend a million years explain a million different ways how it could have been done, and it would never be complete, or generally understood, believed, or even really matter otherwise.

Someone new would fill the spot and refute the claim seeking answers, and spend much lost time fretting the details, while they big guys play their game.

I'll leave it at that.

But anyhow that's what were all faced with. Decisions. With or against. Do you want to accelerate an eventual WW3 against Russia and China or avoid it?

I love this. If you dont believe that the government planned 9/11 you are just swallowing what the media tells you. there are only 2 sides to be on- the government planned 9/11 or you're a mindless sheep.

and you refer to "minor details"- who flew the planes is not a minor detail. How could this giant thing be pulled off without anyone noticing is not a minor detail. They are major aspects that cant be explained in any reasonable manner by conspiracy theory folks. The only point you proved was that the theories dont make sense in the real world.

There is no question the adminstration has used this event to their advantage. Sometimes i find a $20 on the ground- doesnt mean i put it there to find. However, the word terrorist should be used to include who planned 9/11. Just because you use the word doesnt mean you are buying the governments story hook line and sinker. A terrorist is a someone who uses an act to make a statement against another group, using fear. One could easily argue that our government is a terrorist in Iraq, and wouldnt get much of an argument.


There are plenty of people here (dare i say the majority) that hate war, vote for people who are steadfastly against it... but dont believe the government planned 9/11. If you want to talk about how its been exploited by our government on this path toward WW3, then no one is debating that makes sense. Instead you are talking about how buildings fell (which, lets face it, doesnt prove anything either way- since it hasnt happened before, or since, there isnt enough evidence to come up with a fact as to how buildings will- its all theory) , and coming up with outlandish theories to explain your view of the logistics of how it happened.

CorporateWhore

"Staged" video of Osama bin Laden talking about 9/11

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8528473151254739053&q=osama+bin+laden+on+9%2F11&total=2920&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

NMyTree

Like I said yesterday, over the last few years, several engineers have expressed a contrary opinion to those of this administration's loyaltists; including the laughable Popular Mechanics article and book, which was completely shot down by a few engineers......shortly after it's publishing.

Some engineers called that Popular Mechnics article extremely irresponsible and that it ignored several laws of physics and what is known of this subject matter.

It's clear from listening to Davin Coburn that he really has no answers.

Davin Coburn and Popular Mechnics leave gaping holes in their presentation of the so-called truth. Furthermore, Coburn's assenine comeback about how even seven year olds can ask "why?" over and over, is such a condescending and patronizing load of crap; that it completely discredits himself and Popular Mechanics. Although, it is right in-line and in the same vain as this Administrations overall approach and attitude regarding 9/11, evidence and facts, since it occured.

Isn't it odd that Coburn and Popular Mechanics chose the exact same tactic and attitude (as this Administration), towards anyone who asks direct questions regarding facts and evidence?

spiral out

CorporateWhore wrote:

I think if you give these people enough attention then it gives them some legitimacy. MIT professors and engineers would likely look for every reason to oppose the Bush administration if indeed 9/11 had been a conspiracy. But, they know that the evidence of a conspiracy is completely fabricated in most cases.

It's immoral for people with no background, expertise, or legitimate research on this topic to go around spreading lies about a conspiracy. This is akin to Young Earth Creationism, claiming against all the evidence that the earth is 6,000 years old and that nuclear dating is completely untrue. This is also similar to Holocaust denial.

I would urge those who feel the need to oppose the conspiracy theorists to just ignore them. Sure, they may still post threads but it would be better if the only people who responded were themselves. We've attempted to argue with them, but they simply can't be reasoned with. You just have to let this whole thing die a slow death I suppose.

I see you took no notice of Angelica's post that was in response to your post calling people nuts. Maybe take a look and learn.

How can you compare asking questions about an event to holocost denial? Seriously they do not compare on any level.

And really so all engineers agree with the offical story? There are those who don't but oh no wait, they are nut's right?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Skitch Patterson wrote:

I love this. If you dont believe that the government planned 9/11 you are just swallowing what the media tells you. there are only 2 sides to be on- the government planned 9/11 or you're a mindless sheep.

and you refer to "minor details"- who flew the planes is not a minor detail. How could this giant thing be pulled off without anyone noticing is not a minor detail. They are major aspects that cant be explained in any reasonable manner by conspiracy theory folks. The only point you proved was that the theories dont make sense in the real world.

There is no question the adminstration has used this event to their advantage. Sometimes i find a $20 on the ground- doesnt mean i put it there to find. However, the word terrorist should be used to include who planned 9/11. Just because you use the word doesnt mean you are buying the governments story hook line and sinker. A terrorist is a someone who uses an act to make a statement against another group, using fear. One could easily argue that our government is a terrorist in Iraq, and wouldnt get much of an argument.


There are plenty of people here (dare i say the majority) that hate war, vote for people who are steadfastly against it... but dont believe the government planned 9/11. If you want to talk about how its been exploited by our government on this path toward WW3, then no one is debating that makes sense. Instead you are talking about how buildings fell (which, lets face it, doesnt prove anything either way- since it hasnt happened before, or since, there isnt enough evidence to come up with a fact as to how buildings will- its all theory) , and coming up with outlandish theories to explain your view of the logistics of how it happened.

It'a all your personal opinion. Feel feel to have it, and elevate yourself over what I am trying to tell you. It changes nothing. Believe whatever you want, and place your trust in those that you feel are doing you the best service.

Dedicate your life to fighting terrorism if that motivates you, if you believe all of 9/11 is face value.

JamMastaE

CorporateWhore wrote:

No engineers agree with your views. They understand fire, steel, and the laws of physics far better than you.

143 architectural and engineering professionals
and 318 other supporters including A/E students
have joined us in calling on Congress for a new investigation.


http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html




how do those words taste?!!

spiral out

JamMastaE wrote:

143 architectural and engineering professionals
and 318 other supporters including A/E students
have joined us in calling on Congress for a new investigation.


http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html




how do those words taste?!!

Sorry to be the one to tell you, there all nut jobs mate.

CorporateWhore

JamMastaE wrote:

143 architectural and engineering professionals
and 318 other supporters including A/E students
have joined us in calling on Congress for a new investigation.


http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html




how do those words taste?!!

There are undoubtedly millions of architects and engineers who would disagree with the people you've mentioned. They just haven't collectivized in some website.

I've also found the veracity of many of the "engineers" who support 9/11 Truth to be quite dubious. Some of them just call themselves engineers but they got a degree from Sears.