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At&t Colluded With Bush Family Inside Job On 9/11
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While we're tossing out exaggerated conspiracy theories today...
There seems to be a strange need for some people to have "information" that others do not have. I think it's almost a pathology. Many people on this board seem to think that if only everybody knew what they "know," we would be able to address our government more appropriately.
They take these conspiracy theories to an extreme by saying "cui bono?" for every single world event. Who benefits? Any number of events can benefit the American government if you ask this question. Anyone will be willing to say that, yes, the American government benefitted and therefore, they caused unnecessary deaths.
"For relatively rare individuals, an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome.[19]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Clinical_psychology
This foolishness is a border-line psychosis. When we suspect a conspiracy, I think we would all do well to take a step back, look at the evidence, and perhaps apply a little Occam's Razor. Is this conspiracy more or less plausible than the actual story? THINK! When every legitimate engineer and scientist across the world disagrees with you, why would you continue to think that you are right? Psychosis. That's why.
Over and over and over, 9/11 Truth conspiracists are proven wrong. And yet, they continue to believe in their conspiracies because "they have information that we do not." We, supposedly, aren't ready for the truths they have to tell us.
That is a pathology, not a legitimate thought process. Healthy doubt is one thing - consistent skepticism of the world around you indicates psychosis.
A Beautiful Mind has a lot to say about this. Watch it sometime. Oh right I'm sure schizophrenia is a conspiracy too.
There seems to be a strange need for some people to have "information" that others do not have. I think it's almost a pathology. Many people on this board seem to think that if only everybody knew what they "know," we would be able to address our government more appropriately.
They take these conspiracy theories to an extreme by saying "cui bono?" for every single world event. Who benefits? Any number of events can benefit the American government if you ask this question. Anyone will be willing to say that, yes, the American government benefitted and therefore, they caused unnecessary deaths.
"For relatively rare individuals, an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome.[19]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Clinical_psychology
This foolishness is a border-line psychosis. When we suspect a conspiracy, I think we would all do well to take a step back, look at the evidence, and perhaps apply a little Occam's Razor. Is this conspiracy more or less plausible than the actual story? THINK! When every legitimate engineer and scientist across the world disagrees with you, why would you continue to think that you are right? Psychosis. That's why.
Over and over and over, 9/11 Truth conspiracists are proven wrong. And yet, they continue to believe in their conspiracies because "they have information that we do not." We, supposedly, aren't ready for the truths they have to tell us.
That is a pathology, not a legitimate thought process. Healthy doubt is one thing - consistent skepticism of the world around you indicates psychosis.
A Beautiful Mind has a lot to say about this. Watch it sometime. Oh right I'm sure schizophrenia is a conspiracy too.
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It's a freakin' THEORY..
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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No engineers agree with your views. They understand fire, steel, and the laws of physics far better than you.
-Enoch Powell
I think one can lead to the other, and vice versa.
In otherwords, crazy people, already seperated\fragmented from reality can end up conspiracy theorists, because in their non-sequiter world it makes sense ...
and also Conspiracy Theorists can end up crazy, because at the very least, they believe so firmly in what they have "discovered" and so firmly in the importance of this discovery, that when they are met with resistance in "the masses" around them, it tends to drive them insane ... feeling mentally isolated from their fellow humans, possibly paranoid about government response, generally demoralized about the condition of their world, etc ...
you don't see how it could possibly be the other way around?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Really? Which ones the govt employed 9/11 ones?
A little news flash for you. Fires do not cause steel caged buildings to collapse.
Show me why this has never happened before....ever...since or after 9/11 and and just one single engineer on this planet that can back up the complete opposite....since you seem to know so much about engineers now...
Have fun with that.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I can perfectly understand how an individual might be ostracized for believing in something that the public opposes. Such as being a holocaust denier or what-have-you.
When the conspiracist consistently cannot explain or has many parts of his conspiracy proven false but continues to believe it, he must necessarily be irrational. Having a "hunch" does not make it "truth." Whether you don't like Bush or not, it is damn near impossible for him to get away with such a thing without ANYONE knowing.
Let's not forget that Nixon, one of the most powerful presidents in our time, was ratted out by a FBI stooge. If it's possible to rat the president out so badly, someone could easily have done it. Especially given the fact that 3,000 people died.
-Enoch Powell
No one is going to change anyones mind on here. I side on the side that there was some sort of conspiracy, but come on, it's getting a bit much anymore over here.
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There are private engineers not associated with the government who do not agree with you. There are engineers from other countries that do not agree with you.
This has never happened before because no one has ever crashed a 747 into the World Trade Center towers before. That's a circular argument though.
-Enoch Powell
Now that sounds a bit paranoid don't you think?
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Don't bother. You don't have all of the information that Roland has. Otherwise, you would understand the truth about 9/11. We should sit back in awe at Roland's great knowledge of the world!! If only we understood...
-Enoch Powell
the lack of WMD in Iraq is why I don't believe the conspiracy theories. why plan all of that out and not have the WMD in place to be "found" if ultimately this was all for the ramp up of middle east conquest in the end?
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you are your plane conspiracy :rolleyes: beat it ocean
oh no. a typo.
you MUST be wrong, now.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
According to the branch of psychology called transactional analysis, when there are imbalanced dynamics going on, and imbalances of power, there will be imbalanced outcomes. This is of paramount importance:
People with paranoia are considered extra-perceptive, meaning they are more aware than the average person. When they perceive situations that are being discounted, it leads to the pathology of their view. When they are paranoid, it is BASED ON actual happenstances where there is reason for concern, and it is by their view and perception being discounted that the distortions in their view actually flourish.
So for example, when a government is lying, obfuscating and otherwise deceiving it's people, there will be a minority of people (up to 30%) with an ability to perceive aspects of hidden truths that have not been proven. Some of these individuals will have a weak sense of self, and big opposition to their perceptions from those around them. They will succumb to illness. Some will be otherwise blocked from their natural perceptions. And another percentage entirely will accurately perceive that there is something going on and will seek answers. This last group are like the members on this board, who while sometimes obviously angry--with good reason, giving the lying, deceit, etc, that DOES go on, are obviously functional, healthy idividuals in life, in that they work and carry on logical thought processes for their dissent.
The bottom line is that this government conspiracy dynmaic is set into play by the goverments who are deceitful and who do not accept accountability and responsibility for their actual actions. It creates the dynamics wherein our perceptive peoples can sense what is going on, and that something does not add up. This dynamic of honest questioning is perpetuated when our perfectly healthy "conspiracy theorists" pursue their underlying sense of this mis-appropriated power and are discounted and maligned on all levels from the environment--friends, family, message board people, governments. Each of these individuals knows they don't know the exact truth and don't exactly have the facts sorted out, they just know things are not on the table, and do not yet add up. That is rational and perceptive in my view, which is supported by the very psychology that delves into human interactions and inter-dynamics.
I can also see the many distortions and anger that seep out from our resident conspiracy theorists. It's clear these people have their own issues. To me it's similar to the distortions and anger that seep out from those who accept fully official stories and who also have their issues. There are underlying truths on both "sides" that are what it's really about. It's unfortunate that both sides can't see each other's truths, and understand, acknowledge and address their own weak points.
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Just don't be pointing the finger at the "other" guy for creating "illness".
If you are not intelligently and reasonably debating on an even playiong field, you are a distinct and interactive part of the problem. Plain and simple.
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you know, sometimes i wonder "what the hell is angelica babbeling on about now?"
but if i take the time to read it, you usually make damn good sense.
thanks for that above post.
it lays things pretty clear.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm talking about building #7. Why not remove the planes from the equation and see what holds up. Building #5 didn't collapse.
wtc complex layout
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7_View02.gif
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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It would probably be too costly, and risky to plant WMD's. That would also be evidence and "they" don't want tangible evidence against them.
There would also have to forged records showing the sale of WMD to Iraq...more evidence, and also a bad PR move.
It would be pretty hard to fake another countries weapon production. Something would get figured out...again tangible evidence.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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how would it be too hard? there would be no media around, no one to give another side of the story.
we could have rolled in their with truck loads of WMDs and said, here it is. look at what we found
It was known no WMD were there, it was about control of oil, control of the Middle East and most of all to make money LOTS of money. Did You know this administration wants implement into the Iraqi Law that 50% of their oil contracts go to American Oil Companies? Now that's taking control.
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Actually, that is incorrect.
There have been over the last few years, several engineers who have expressed a contrary opinion to those of this administration's loyaltists; including the laughable Popular Mechanics article, which was completely shot down by a few engineers......shortly after it's publishing.
Some engineers called that Popular Mechnics article extremely irresponsible and that it ignored several laws of physics and what is known of this subject matter.
im trying really hard to recall the last time a jet liner fully loaded with fuel broadsided a building... it's not coming to me.
but you're right, it was just a little fire. i don't know why they didn't just use the extinguishers conveniently located near most fire exits. dan the copy man could have been a national hero and saved thousands of lives if he'd only put that fire out.
but if the admin knew all this and was so desperate to control the middle east, why didnt they just PUT some there? they could easily have "found" wmd's there. the government willing to crash planes into its own buildings isn't up to the task of putting a nuke in the desert to find? that's some shit planning from a group that managed to pull off an attack that involved hundreds of people (none of whom have spoken out) killing US citizens on our soil without a shred of evidence.
yeah, almost as hard as blowing up 3 buildings in the middle of nyc killing thousands of americans and not leaving any sign that americans were behind it aside from the fact that a few people seem to think it wasn't hot enough in there for a building to fall down.
I don't know man.
Wouldn't the planning & execution of blowing up 3 buildings in the middle of NYC have as much tangible evidence as a few people loading up containers with WMD's, driving them into the desert, secreting hiding them, only to be "found" later?
We're all speculating here, but I don't see planting WMD's being this big stretch while planting explosives etc in the Towers being quite doable in comparison.