Alex Jones - Michael Moore is a Fraud

El_Kabong · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I think Jones is just taking Micheal Moore to school a bit and setting the amp dial to eleven.

Turning on the windshield wipers so to speak. Jones makes no mistaking the seriousness and severity of the "dark ones"

But think of it. If somehow the power of the United States had fallen to criminal hands, everything he is saying makes sense.

If anything I think he's saying Moore is an even better participant to the institution than people make him out to be.

no, i completely understand asking him a lot of his list of 'why didn't moore bring up....' but, to do it by calling him a fraud, i believe, is going about it the wrong way. if you have questions you shouldn't start off by accusing the other person of something

one thing i dislike about some ppl/videos, especially on the net, is when they connect the dots for you...they give you the 'conclusion'

i don't believe something b/c moore said it, or alex jones said it (and i have learned some stuff from him and his site/videos), or amy goodman...and a case could be made tracing government money to mit (chomsky), pacifica radio (amy goodman/democracy now <bush appointed a head of a pr company and big donor as head of the department over things like npr>).... don't believe it b/c of who is saying it, believe it b/c you believe it. i disagree w/ how moore does many things but that doesn't take away from the good facts, yes facts, he exposes and puts in his books and films

and let's be honest, do you think if he put much of that stuff in the film it would've been shown as widely as it was?

just like he said he doesn't care if ppl download sicko (i can't say enough how good that movie was), the point is for ppl to see it, to get it to the mass public

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

To me, Jones comes across much like Bush did with his 'Either you're with us or against us'. Can he not grasp that though people may not agree with everything he says that they can still be trying to do good work? He has no proof of Moore purposely covering anything up or protecting anyone but that doesn't stop him stating his paranoia as fact.

I do think the power in the US has fallen into criminal hands...but that's not going to make me question everyone else's sincerity especially the ones out there doing good activist work. What about Chomsky? Pearl Jam? So because they aren't out there saying 9/11 was inside job...does that make them lackeys for the government, as well?

So you honestly believe Moore is covering things up on purpose? Like he's in with the government? Or are you saying you think he helps them without knowing he is really?

I think Alex is just saying "...and you thought what Micheal Moore is saying is bad...wait to you hear what I have to tell you..."

It so polarized now that Alex is almost either hopelessly right or hopelessly wrong. Part of what makes it so intriguing imo.

Abookamongstthemany · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I think Alex is just saying "...and you thought what Micheal Moore is saying is bad...wait to you hear what I have to tell you..."

It so polarized now that Alex is almost either hopelessly right or hopelessly wrong. Part of what makes it so intriguing imo.

If that was all he said, I wouldn't have the slightest problem. Calling him a fraud after all the work he has done is a slap in the face, imo.

Jones is probably right about a whole lot of things...but the way he goes about it ain't helping his cause one bit other than rile up his already existing base.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

I never even thought to look but it was added on Sept 26, 2006 so this is pre Sicko. Knowing Jones, he was probably just ticked because Moore went silent after F911 for a moment.

Jones seemed to find the situation lacking in Moore's absence.

Jones get so suspicious, but he's a bulldog.

I'm sure he has a different opinion now after Moore's direct assault and illumination of the way American citizens are treated at some of the core levels (health care, natural disaster response).

Moore's sunlight of truth burns their flesh

kenny olav · July 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

He's a major contributor to the 9/11 Truth Movement and syndicated radio host, and host of infowars.com and prisonplanet.tv

I have some issues with Jones. Particularly that he isn't as rational as he fancies himself, preaching about God proves that. Secondly that he asserts that Bush's hand gestures that set off italians were truly satanic, when Alex is from Austin, Texas and knows that the local Football team the Longhorns use the hand gesture as a salute to the team, they call it the Hook 'em Horns. While its possible Bush intends it to be satanic, its more likely he's saluting the Austin Longhorns and Alex has irrationally gone the other way.

On the other hand Alex does a buttload of research into the government and comes up with some excellent verifiable facts. You just have to be scrutinous with his claims.

I think that sums it up nicely. Alex Jones makes so many absurd claims that it's hard to take anything he says seriously. He's very much a showman and egomaniac. I'd be more included to think he is a fraud, intentionally trying to sabotage the whole 9/11 truth movement. Although it's more likely that he's just an unwitting pawn, a useful idiot, allowed to take center stage in the conspiracy circus so that anyone who says 9/11 was an inside job looks like a clown. It's goes back to this... why is it that Alex Jones is a celebrity-of-sorts, while a rational skeptic of 9/11, Michael Ruppert, has been burgularized, terrorized and force to flee the country?

kenny olav · July 2007

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

What's David Icke's take on this?

thanks for inspiring a good laugh, as always.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

Kenny Olav wrote:

I think that sums it up nicely. Alex Jones makes so many absurd claims that it's hard to take anything he says seriously. He's very much a showman and egomaniac. I'd be more included to think he is a fraud, intentionally trying to sabotage the whole 9/11 truth movement. Although it's more likely that he's just an unwitting pawn, a useful idiot, allowed to take center stage in the conspiracy circus so that anyone who says 9/11 was an inside job looks like a clown. It's goes back to this... why is it that Alex Jones is a celebrity-of-sorts, while a rational skeptic of 9/11, Michael Ruppert, has been burgularized, terrorized and force to flee the country?

Nope that's not it. He has it right. What he is saying is right. Anything he is doing is purely against the gov't and for the common guy. Jones is the best defender of democracy the world has right now.

How dare you say that. Alex is right. We are being tricked through military might into giving up all our rights so we came become enslaved by one universal law and power that controls all.

It's not conspiracy any more man. The framework is being set up as we speak. It's a race to save our existing way of life as we now know it.

They want to melt down the North American borders, legal system, banks etc... insanity! Do you fully understand by doing all that what that is really creating? A control structure for a living hell on earth.

Just imagine if this type of power structure falls into the WRONG hands?

Risky eh? so why the @#$% is it being created?!?!?!

seems stupid eh? Another f-ing coincidence?

That's lot of coincidences going on the US gov't there....one right after the other it seems...bing bang boom..

FinsburyParkCarrots · July 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

haha David Icke? I don't think he has an opinion does he?

Yes, he has. He thinks we're all trapped in the matrix, and shapeshifting zargs from the planet flubbalub minor are fookin' with our heads, man.

Edit: Well, they've fooked with his.

kenny olav · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Nope that's not it. He has it right. What he is saying is right. Anything he is doing is purely against the gov't and for the common guy. Jones is the best defender of democracy the world has right now.

How dare you say that. Alex is right. We are being tricked through military might into giving up all our rights so we came become enslaved by one universal law and power that controls all.

It's not conspiracy any more man. The framework is being set up as we speak. It's a race to save our existing way of life as we now know it.

They want to melt down the North American borders, legal system, banks etc... insanity! Do you fully understand by doing all that what that is really creating? A control structure for a living hell on earth.

Just imagine if this type of power structure falls into the WRONG hands?

Risky eh? so why the @#$% is it being created?!?!?!

seems stupid eh? Another f-ing coincidence?

That's lot of coincidences going on the US gov't there....one right after the other it seems...bing bang boom..

"how dare I say that?" what!? you act like he is the messiah come to defend us these forces.

my friend, i have no doubts that there is a global elite that has become more and more consolidated, and more and more unaccountable to the people they hold power over. the conclusions i have made about the way this world is run sound crazy to most people, just not as crazy as Alex Jones' I hope.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

Kenny Olav wrote:

"how dare I say that?" what!? you act like he is the messiah come to defend us these forces.

my friend, i have no doubts that there is a global elite that has become more and more consolidated, and more and more unaccountable to the people they hold power over. the conclusions i have made about the way this world is run sound crazy to most people, just not as crazy as Alex Jones' I hope.

People like Jones who put their lives on the line to give the common man a voice deserve our respect.

I think we are partly responsible for making him crazy because no one is protesting or doing anything about it. I think he does not take a calm approach to it due to the nature of what he is talking about.

El_Kabong · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

People like Jones who put their lives on the line to give the common man a voice deserve our respect.

I think we are partly responsible for making him crazy because no one is protesting or doing anything about it. I think he does not take a calm approach to it due to the nature of what he is talking about.

do you think michael moore is a fraud?

i think a big problem w/ alex jones is his delivery. if you ask someone questions nicely more than likely they will be nice back, maybe answer, maybe have a real dialogue...but if you start it by declaring the other to be a fraud, or whatever, any normal person would get defensive and not want to talk to that person

when you start out accusatory it seems like your mind is already made up

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

El_Kabong wrote:

do you think michael moore is a fraud?

i think a big problem w/ alex jones is his delivery. if you ask someone questions nicely more than likely they will be nice back, maybe answer, maybe have a real dialogue...but if you start it by declaring the other to be a fraud, or whatever, any normal person would get defensive and not want to talk to that person

when you start out accusatory it seems like your mind is already made up

Jones is the canary in the coal mine. What Moore is doing is the humanitarian approach to what Alex Jones is ultimately saying. Alex Jones is 100% in what will happen if we let the terrorist thing take over our lives.

Moore does not understand or explore the possibilities Alex does. Alex can see further down the road into the future.

How do you think they just piled people into death camp trains into large groups to gas them and they willingly agreed.

They just corralled people into ghettos. How? They just did it. How do you suppose that all took place? nobody had a clue what was going on.

I think it definitely can happen again and on a much larger scale.

There's an incredibly strong potential for it to happen again. Look around.

Some people already think I'm the potential enemy for talking about it. Hmm, it seems we are getting quite close already.

It all starts with the erosion of our civil liberties due to fear. That process is still ongoing. Make no mistake...we are being assaulted minute by minute behind closed doors.

The next attack, or incident, will have them rushing to melt down the borders.

Mark my words. This will be the next combination of events. Something, anything to push the great North American border meltdown.

Its a pretty scary place to be sitting unaware or complacent at.

El_Kabong · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Jones is the canary in the coal mine. What Moore is doing is the humanitarian approach to what Alex Jones is ultimately saying. Alex Jones is 100% in what will happen if we let the terrorist thing take over our lives.

Moore does not understand or explore the possibilities Alex does. Alex can see further down the road into the future.

How do you think they just piled people into death camp trains into large groups to gas them and they willingly agreed.

They just corralled people into ghettos. How? They just did it. How do you suppose that all took place? nobody had a clue what was going on.

I think it definitely can happen again and on a much larger scale.

There's an incredibly strong potential for it to happen again. Look around.

Some people already think I'm the potential enemy for talking about it. Hmm, it seems we are getting quite close already.

It all starts with the erosion of our civil liberties due to fear. That process is still ongoing. Make no mistake...we are being assaulted minute by minute behind closed doors.

The next attack, or incident, will have them rushing to melt down the borders.

Mark my words. This will be the next combination of events. Something, anything to push the great North American border meltdown.

Its a pretty scary place to be sitting unaware or complacent at.

ok, but that doesn't make him a 'fraud'

maybe they can finally pull rex84 and similar programs out, eh?

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

Put is this way...there is a generic recipe for enslaving mankind. It's been done time and time again throughout history around the world.

Jones knows this recipe very well and can smell it cooking.

Abookamongstthemany · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Put is this way...there is a generic recipe for enslaving mankind. It's been done time and time again throughout history around the world.

Jones knows this recipe very well and can smell it cooking.

The recipe I smell here is fear and that's what enslaves us.

If you constantly focus on the negative that's all you're ever gonna see.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

El_Kabong wrote:

ok, but that doesn't make him a 'fraud'

maybe they can finally pull rex84 and similar programs out, eh?

Oh no, I don't believe Moore is a fraud. Alex was, I think, making Moore's approach to the "potential reality" of the situation look soft in it's approach.

Soft, overly cautious, or lacking would have been much better words than fraud.

I've already emailed it to Michael to see if he gives it any thought (or even has the time).

Alex is too harsh for most people, but he's the ultimate warrior and voice of the people. He has to be the way he is. Alex is Alex. To do what he does he HAS to fit that persona. The freedom fighter persona, or his message is lost. He does have a strong religious flavor in his delivery which you need to filter or process a bit to get to the meat of his argument. To identify with the very principles, and methods, of how we move up and down on the ladder of control.

Alex probably talks just like the patriots of 100 years ago would talk to large groups of people in meeting places in towns and cities that started large historical movements.

Abookamongstthemany · July 2007

Life has a bright side and a dark side, for the world of relativity is composed of light and shadows. If you permit your thoughts to dwell on evil, you yourself will become ugly. Look only for the good in everything so you absorb the quality of beauty. ~ Paramahansa Yogananda

Remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~ Gandhi

All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him. ~ Buddha

Fear is pain arising from the anticipation of evil. ~ Aristotle

OutOfBreath · July 2007

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, he doesn't actually preach religion, but rather he makes statements like "God is gonna cut you down" which I don't agree with and usually turns me off from listening to a speaker or a musician

Now dont you go criticizing Johnny Cash on me here. "God is gonna cut you down" is an amazing song, even though I dont particularly believe in the lyrics per se.

Peace
Dan

Boston MA · July 2007

Listening to Alex Jones for awhile I'm convinced he is real and cares. He does the best he can. He actually is treating Moore better since the recent interview where Moore admitted problems with 9/11 and that he has questions about it as well. Alex hates crooks and liars, murderers, and he is usually right. He gets people to ask questions and open up to what is going on right in front of their faces. And he even respects stars that know that 9/11 was an inside job but don't want to come out about it with this mainstream media ready to pounce. Good for Alex Jones, I like him. He plays some good music during his show. Bob Marley, RATM, Immortal Technique. I emailed him and asked for Pearl Jam! haha.

He gets mads and goes off but he gets that we are all in this together.

Boston MA · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Jones is the canary in the coal mine. What Moore is doing is the humanitarian approach to what Alex Jones is ultimately saying. Alex Jones is 100% in what will happen if we let the terrorist thing take over our lives.

Moore does not understand or explore the possibilities Alex does. Alex can see further down the road into the future.

How do you think they just piled people into death camp trains into large groups to gas them and they willingly agreed.

They just corralled people into ghettos. How? They just did it. How do you suppose that all took place? nobody had a clue what was going on.

I think it definitely can happen again and on a much larger scale.

There's an incredibly strong potential for it to happen again. Look around.

Some people already think I'm the potential enemy for talking about it. Hmm, it seems we are getting quite close already.

It all starts with the erosion of our civil liberties due to fear. That process is still ongoing. Make no mistake...we are being assaulted minute by minute behind closed doors.

The next attack, or incident, will have them rushing to melt down the borders.

Mark my words. This will be the next combination of events. Something, anything to push the great North American border meltdown.

Its a pretty scary place to be sitting unaware or complacent at.

Awesome post. I don't expect Alex or his correspondents some of them 9/11 widows to be civil to criminals who are running around free only because everyone in the government is to afraid to take any action against them. See Bill/Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, George H. W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, these people are traitors. All of them have committed crimes and they get away with it.

Alex Jones - Michael Moore is a Fraud

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