Alex Jones - Michael Moore is a Fraud
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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haha David Icke? I don't think he has an opinion does he?
He's a major contributor to the 9/11 Truth Movement and syndicated radio host, and host of infowars.com and prisonplanet.tv
I have some issues with Jones. Particularly that he isn't as rational as he fancies himself, preaching about God proves that. Secondly that he asserts that Bush's hand gestures that set off italians were truly satanic, when Alex is from Austin, Texas and knows that the local Football team the Longhorns use the hand gesture as a salute to the team, they call it the Hook 'em Horns. While its possible Bush intends it to be satanic, its more likely he's saluting the Austin Longhorns and Alex has irrationally gone the other way.
On the other hand Alex does a buttload of research into the government and comes up with some excellent verifiable facts. You just have to be scrutinous with his claims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
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Thanks Ryan. Just watching him then on the link I wasn't taking issue with what he was saying so much but his presentation set off a few little alarm bells for me.
Evangelical was the word that sprung to mind.
I guess like everything you gotta weed out what sounds feasible and what doesn't.
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Roland stop already!!! These dodgy old men are scaring me!! :eek:
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He has incredible skills regardless. Many of his claims already seem to be reading like a checklist.
Another Alex Jones series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0OsruRnzoQ&NR=1
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Yea, he doesn't actually preach religion, but rather he makes statements like "God is gonna cut you down" which I don't agree with and usually turns me off from listening to a speaker or a musician
I think I'm struggling with his style Roland not his content.
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Yeah, that's my issue with it too I think. I'm struggling to get through what he's saying not because I don't believe that he is quite likely correct with some of what he's saying but because of the format I think. It's very sensationalistic.
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Uber paranoid libertarians give me the willies.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that's what i dislike, too...negativity only brings more negativity (and didn't someone say they refused to support such things?
altho, i did like his part in 'waking life'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
They have no identity so we don't actually know who they are.
He argues they do exist because they seem to have full access to control anything on US soil, and beyond, at this point via police and military might to control terrorism....to make us safe.
So it's looking like the constitution has taken some really important hits in some key areas.
The progression of events needs to be scrutinized.
I'd like to know how he finds all this stuff out though.
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I haven't seen Waking Life. Actually today with Roland's posts is the first time I've seen the guy.
I'm finding him easier to swallow the more I watch him though. I guess coz I'm expecting the format now.
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and he even said he was 'covering up' these things! what if he didn't believe those parts? what if he thought ppl wouldn't take it serioulsy and maybe giving them easier stuff to swallow would get them to research on their own?
regardless, i don't think not saying something necessarily means you are covering it up....alex jones doesn't ever criticize israel, is he really a crypto-zionist covering things up?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Right.
Who can blame Moore for not making a movie centered around the 9/11 conspiracy (which I believe, actually)? He brought tons of attention to the fact that the war was already in the works way before 9/11 and exposed how it was all based on lies. Back in 2004, people would have completely tuned his movie out if he went about it the way Jones thinks he should...he would have been laughed at and called a lunatic. I think he did the best he could given the political landscape at the time. Which brings me to another point which Kabong touched upon...just because Moore didn't make the film Mr. Jones thought he should have does not make him a fraud. Can Jones get anymore paranoid and creepy? Now Moore is secretly covering up for Bush and must be in on it all. :rolleyes: C'mon, what a stretch!! This is nothing more than Jones doing what he does best...alienating people with his over the top assertions. He hurts the 9/11 truth movement the exact same way. Sometimes I wonder if Jones would question why his shadow is following him so closely....it's got to be the big, bad government casting the sun that way! His methods and tactics are the problem, he does make some good points....but he always manages to taint all of his good points with the other crap he spouts of about constantly.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Turning on the windshield wipers so to speak. Jones makes no mistaking the seriousness and severity of the "dark ones"
But think of it. If somehow the power of the United States had fallen to criminal hands, everything he is saying makes sense.
If anything I think he's saying Moore is an even better participant to the institution than people make him out to be.
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Michael Moore has done some amazing things in terms of bringing awareness to the masses but I'm quite sure that all that he has said and done won't be the gospel truth.
Just as this Jones fella has probably hit upon the truth on more than one occassion.
Certainly both of them give us something more to ponder than we get from most media these days.
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To me, Jones comes across much like Bush did with his 'Either you're with us or against us'. Can he not grasp that though people may not agree with everything he says that they can still be trying to do good work? He has no proof of Moore purposely covering anything up or protecting anyone but that doesn't stop him stating his paranoia as fact.
I do think the power in the US has fallen into criminal hands...but that's not going to make me question everyone else's sincerity especially the ones out there doing good activist work. What about Chomsky? Pearl Jam? So because they aren't out there saying 9/11 was inside job...does that make them lackeys for the government, as well?
So you honestly believe Moore is covering things up on purpose? Like he's in with the government? Or are you saying you think he helps them without knowing he is really?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
no, i completely understand asking him a lot of his list of 'why didn't moore bring up....' but, to do it by calling him a fraud, i believe, is going about it the wrong way. if you have questions you shouldn't start off by accusing the other person of something
one thing i dislike about some ppl/videos, especially on the net, is when they connect the dots for you...they give you the 'conclusion'
i don't believe something b/c moore said it, or alex jones said it (and i have learned some stuff from him and his site/videos), or amy goodman...and a case could be made tracing government money to mit (chomsky), pacifica radio (amy goodman/democracy now <bush appointed a head of a pr company and big donor as head of the department over things like npr>).... don't believe it b/c of who is saying it, believe it b/c you believe it. i disagree w/ how moore does many things but that doesn't take away from the good facts, yes facts, he exposes and puts in his books and films
and let's be honest, do you think if he put much of that stuff in the film it would've been shown as widely as it was?
just like he said he doesn't care if ppl download sicko (i can't say enough how good that movie was), the point is for ppl to see it, to get it to the mass public
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I think Alex is just saying "...and you thought what Micheal Moore is saying is bad...wait to you hear what I have to tell you..."
It so polarized now that Alex is almost either hopelessly right or hopelessly wrong. Part of what makes it so intriguing imo.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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If that was all he said, I wouldn't have the slightest problem. Calling him a fraud after all the work he has done is a slap in the face, imo.
Jones is probably right about a whole lot of things...but the way he goes about it ain't helping his cause one bit other than rile up his already existing base.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Jones seemed to find the situation lacking in Moore's absence.
Jones get so suspicious, but he's a bulldog.
I'm sure he has a different opinion now after Moore's direct assault and illumination of the way American citizens are treated at some of the core levels (health care, natural disaster response).
Moore's sunlight of truth burns their flesh
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I think that sums it up nicely. Alex Jones makes so many absurd claims that it's hard to take anything he says seriously. He's very much a showman and egomaniac. I'd be more included to think he is a fraud, intentionally trying to sabotage the whole 9/11 truth movement. Although it's more likely that he's just an unwitting pawn, a useful idiot, allowed to take center stage in the conspiracy circus so that anyone who says 9/11 was an inside job looks like a clown. It's goes back to this... why is it that Alex Jones is a celebrity-of-sorts, while a rational skeptic of 9/11, Michael Ruppert, has been burgularized, terrorized and force to flee the country?
thanks for inspiring a good laugh, as always.
Nope that's not it. He has it right. What he is saying is right. Anything he is doing is purely against the gov't and for the common guy. Jones is the best defender of democracy the world has right now.
How dare you say that. Alex is right. We are being tricked through military might into giving up all our rights so we came become enslaved by one universal law and power that controls all.
It's not conspiracy any more man. The framework is being set up as we speak. It's a race to save our existing way of life as we now know it.
They want to melt down the North American borders, legal system, banks etc... insanity! Do you fully understand by doing all that what that is really creating? A control structure for a living hell on earth.
Just imagine if this type of power structure falls into the WRONG hands?
Risky eh? so why the @#$% is it being created?!?!?!
seems stupid eh? Another f-ing coincidence?
That's lot of coincidences going on the US gov't there....one right after the other it seems...bing bang boom..
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Yes, he has. He thinks we're all trapped in the matrix, and shapeshifting zargs from the planet flubbalub minor are fookin' with our heads, man.
Edit: Well, they've fooked with his.
"how dare I say that?" what!? you act like he is the messiah come to defend us these forces.
my friend, i have no doubts that there is a global elite that has become more and more consolidated, and more and more unaccountable to the people they hold power over. the conclusions i have made about the way this world is run sound crazy to most people, just not as crazy as Alex Jones' I hope.
People like Jones who put their lives on the line to give the common man a voice deserve our respect.
I think we are partly responsible for making him crazy because no one is protesting or doing anything about it. I think he does not take a calm approach to it due to the nature of what he is talking about.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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