Alex Jones - Michael Moore is a Fraud

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Did you know Michael Moore and his business partner were originally funded by ???

George H. W. Bush. It's true, Moore freely admits it. Not saying anything further on that but it is interesting to say the least.

But Alex wasn't so much upset that he didn't make an inside job movie, it's the limiting of the conversation, not allowing people to ask certain questions, that was what he went after him about. Limiting the discussion even in interviews, etc. Since Moore has come out and brought up some issues that bother him with 9/11 and that he wants a new investigation (within last couple of months), Jones has applauded Moore. He doesn't think he is the greatest guy ever but he said that takes courage and Moore did it.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Right.

Who can blame Moore for not making a movie centered around the 9/11 conspiracy (which I believe, actually)? He brought tons of attention to the fact that the war was already in the works way before 9/11 and exposed how it was all based on lies. Back in 2004, people would have completely tuned his movie out if he went about it the way Jones thinks he should...he would have been laughed at and called a lunatic. I think he did the best he could given the political landscape at the time. Which brings me to another point which Kabong touched upon...just because Moore didn't make the film Mr. Jones thought he should have does not make him a fraud. Can Jones get anymore paranoid and creepy? Now Moore is secretly covering up for Bush and must be in on it all. :rolleyes: C'mon, what a stretch!! This is nothing more than Jones doing what he does best...alienating people with his over the top assertions. He hurts the 9/11 truth movement the exact same way. Sometimes I wonder if Jones would question why his shadow is following him so closely....it's got to be the big, bad government casting the sun that way! His methods and tactics are the problem, he does make some good points....but he always manages to taint all of his good points with the other crap he spouts of about constantly.

stupidcorporatewhore

Alex Jones looks like a nut

MM only talks about things he can prove. This is evident in the fact he's only been sued twice and lost 1 (james nichols).

Farenheight 911 is about the bloodlust of bushco before 911 and the evil steamrolling of iraq and a war for profit after it.

I am sure he wants to do a doc on what went on behind 911, but without being able to produce published documents and people willing to put their life on the line and go on camera you're pretty much left with "loose change".

I think moore clearly proves Bushco had motive, resources and opporotunity.

he also proves that they did very well after 911

the middle section seems pretty clear.

onelongsong

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Right.

Who can blame Moore for not making a movie centered around the 9/11 conspiracy (which I believe, actually)? He brought tons of attention to the fact that the war was already in the works way before 9/11 and exposed how it was all based on lies. Back in 2004, people would have completely tuned his movie out if he went about it the way Jones thinks he should...he would have been laughed at and called a lunatic. I think he did the best he could given the political landscape at the time. Which brings me to another point which Kabong touched upon...just because Moore didn't make the film Mr. Jones thought he should have does not make him a fraud. Can Jones get anymore paranoid and creepy? Now Moore is secretly covering up for Bush and must be in on it all. :rolleyes: C'mon, what a stretch!! This is nothing more than Jones doing what he does best...alienating people with his over the top assertions. He hurts the 9/11 truth movement the exact same way. Sometimes I wonder if Jones would question why his shadow is following him so closely....it's got to be the big, bad government casting the sun that way! His methods and tactics are the problem, he does make some good points....but he always manages to taint all of his good points with the other crap he spouts of about constantly.

the war was in place since 1998. saddam was told many times that if inspectors were not allowed; he would be attacked. we had a president that was all talk and do nothing so it waited until someone with balls got into office.
i also find it funny how so many people will quote youtube as an authority when anyone can manufacture a video and post it there. it's nothing more than a glorified message board.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The recipe I smell here is fear and that's what enslaves us.

If you constantly focus on the negative that's all you're ever gonna see.

That's true, but Jones isn't the one creating and pushing the fear that's attacking our civil liberties. He is making us aware of those who are, so we can stop the control process an not have to live in fear.

There is a time when you must stand up for your rights or perish...the kind of rights that people in the past died trying to preserve.

If the North American borders are eliminated, it will be the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. World order is slavery.

onelongsong

stupidcorporatewhore wrote:

Alex Jones looks like a nut

MM only talks about things he can prove. This is evident in the fact he's only been sued twice and lost 1 (james nichols).

Farenheight 911 is about the bloodlust of bushco before 911 and the evil steamrolling of iraq and a war for profit after it.

I am sure he wants to do a doc on what went on behind 911, but without being able to produce published documents and people willing to put their life on the line and go on camera you're pretty much left with "loose change".

I think moore clearly proves Bushco had motive, resources and opporotunity.

he also proves that they did very well after 911

the middle section seems pretty clear.

ok; prove to me that i can waltz into cuba and get free healthcare. prove to me how someone sitting in california can know what a person in DC is thinking. i can't wait to hear this.

Abookamongstthemany

onelongsong wrote:

the war was in place since 1998. saddam was told many times that if inspectors were not allowed; he would be attacked. we had a president that was all talk and do nothing so it waited until someone with balls got into office.
i also find it funny how so many people will quote youtube as an authority when anyone can manufacture a video and post it there. it's nothing more than a glorified message board.

Youtube can be used to make points just as websites, articles and many either forms of media. No form of media can be considered an authority on anything if it doesn't have merit. Youtube clips can have merit just as easily as they can be bullshit...the same goes for anything.

Abookamongstthemany

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

That's true, but Jones isn't the one creating and pushing the fear that's attacking our civil liberties. He is making us aware of those who are, so we can stop the control process an not have to live in fear.

There is a time when you must stand up for your rights or perish...the kind of rights that people in the past died trying to preserve.

If the North American borders are eliminated, it will be the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. World order is slavery.

That's pushing fear, too, my friend. I agree thart we should stand up for our rights and work together but Jones is trying to scare people into following him.

onelongsong

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Youtube can be used to make points just as websites, articles and many either forms of media. No form of media can be considered an authority on anything if it doesn't have merit. Youtube clips can have merit just as easily as they can be bullshit...the same goes for anything.

i agree with you. i took a clip and superimposed hillary's face in a 9/11 plane about to hit the WTC. i was going to post it on youtube to see how long it takes to be posted here but i got busy with something else; then wondered why bother.

Abookamongstthemany

onelongsong wrote:

i agree with you. i took a clip and superimposed hillary's face in a 9/11 plane about to hit the WTC. i was going to post it on youtube to see how long it takes to be posted here but i got busy with something else; then wondered why bother.

I see no reason to blast youtube because some people who use it may not be being truthful. You have to use your own smarts everyday to decide if what you're reading, hearing or taking part in is in fact based on truth no matter what form of media it's coming from.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

That's pushing fear, too, my friend. I agree thart we should stand up for our rights and work together but Jones is trying to scare people into following him.

Correct, but following him only empowers the people to stand up against the government and put the ultimate power back into the voice of the people where it belongs.

He is 100% for the people.

It's beautiful. What he speaks is poetry.

onelongsong

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I see no reason to blast youtube because some people who use it are may not be being truthful. You have to use your own smarts everyday to decide if what you're reading, hearing or taking part in is in fact based on truth no matter what form of media it's coming from.

that's my point exactly.

Abookamongstthemany

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Correct, but following him only empowers the people to stand up against the government and put the ultimate power back into the voice of the people where it belongs.

He is 100% for the people.

It's beautiful. What he speaks is poetry.

I'm sorry, I can't see any poetry in focusing your life around negativity. It seems to me, this negatvity has made Jones a slave to it and it consumes his every thought...like it's all he's got. Seems sad to me but that's just my opinion.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I'm sorry, I can't see any poetry in focusing your life around negativity. It seems to me, this negatvity has made Jones a slave to it and it consumes his every thought...like it's all he's got. Seems sad to me but that's just my opinion.

If a ship is sinking, thinking happy, peaceful, loving thoughts will not make it float

Abookamongstthemany

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If a ship is sinking, thinking happy, peaceful, loving thoughts will not make it float

His ship sank a long time ago.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

His ship sank a long time ago.

I imagine it would depend on what one is willing to think some people in this world are capable of. Especially when some of them are on the record as having a specific expressed interest.

LikeAnOcean

His movies bring awareness, but I think he's a little out there. I wouldn't trust Michael Moore. I just like the fact that he gets me thinking about things I might otherwise not notice.

Ahnimus

They are both wrong about things. But they both bring real facts and real questions to the public.

Moore was wrong about Canadian health care. I pointed that out as soon as I finished watching the film. It costs Ontarions $50 for an ambulance for starters and wait times can be very very long. I've waited 3 hours at the walk-in clinic, that's not unusual.

Jones was wrong about Bush's hand gesture the "hook 'em horns" and many of his claims are hard to verify, some I haven't been able to verify, like LBJ's statement "I want that goddamn ship going to the bottom" in regards to U.S.S. Liberty.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

They are both wrong about things. But they both bring real facts and real questions to the public.

Moore was wrong about Canadian health care. I pointed that out as soon as I finished watching the film. It costs Ontarions $50 for an ambulance for starters and wait times can be very very long. I've waited 3 hours at the walk-in clinic, that's not unusual.

Jones was wrong about Bush's hand gesture the "hook 'em horns" and many of his claims are hard to verify, some I haven't been able to verify, like LBJ's statement "I want that goddamn ship going to the bottom" in regards to U.S.S. Liberty.

i think everyone is wrong. not one person alone has all the facts. you can go on and on all day about this and that but there's a human factor. you'll never know what a doctor will do. i gave examples of how a doctor can work around the system. close those loopholes and medical schools will empty.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJz7LmPneM

stupidcorporatewhore

onelongsong wrote:

ok; prove to me that i can waltz into cuba and get free healthcare. prove to me how someone sitting in california can know what a person in DC is thinking. i can't wait to hear this.

still waiting for the cuba link by the way, so you have yet to prove your argument either

You've totally missed the point about sicko

it's not about how great things are in cuba, it's about how our system sucks.

You're like one of those critical of the film by saying "Moore is inaccurate in the number of people who have no health care, it's not 50 million it's 46 million!" As usual Moore has stretched the truth about some stuff and gives a skewed view about other things. But like his other movies, if even 10% of what he's saying is true it's pretty damning.

I live in California and I have no idea what someone in DC is thinking but I know that they take money from health care providers for their campaigns then kill any hope of universal health care.

got any Aetna in your stock potfolio by chance?