all it takes for something to exist is...

farfromglorified wrote:

Be careful of false cause. Just because you have 100 people who imagine themselves losing weight that lose weight doesn't mean that they lost weight because they imagined themselves losing weight.

Certainly the mind has powers we are not currently able to comprehend, but the concept of the "thinking makes it so" can be stretched to both ludicrous and dangerous conclusions.

onelongsong wrote:

but each of our realities are different. no two people have the same reality. you're reality may include waking at 6:00 am; showering; and driving to work. you may live in a city and your reality is completely different from my reality living on a ranch.
so there is no deffinition for reality. reality is WHAT IS.

onelongsong wrote:

but if one person does it; it is a reality. 37 years ago; two men walked on the moon. no one has done it since. just because only two people have ever done it; doesn't make it a false preception.

farfromglorified wrote:

Actual studies show that people who think about things can often do those things. What those studies do not show is if those things are causal, or both effects of a third cause. It is not "proven".

Look, if I give you a rock in Manhattan and tell you it's a tiger repellant and then "prove it" by demostrating a lack of tigers in Manhattan, I haven't actually demonstrated anything other than the fact that you've been given a rock and there are no tigers around. I didn't prove that the rock you were given repels tigers.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

There's limitations just as a Ferrari can't drive at 1000mph at this point in time, but the phenomena would seem to exist (from within anyways)

onelongsong wrote:

easily proven when you look at the shamins. i saw one slice a watermelon in half while it sat on the belly of another man. the shamin consentrated on the sword stopping before it hit the flesh.
the mind is only limited to those who believe it's limited. if you want to believe science; you're brain is trapped within the walls science has scribed. those who believe there is more; can experience more.

angelica wrote:

I agree with you, Roland, and for example:

"In the book Peak Performance, Mental Training Techniques of the World’s
Greatest Athletes, Charles Garfield writes; “Without a doubt, the most dramatic
contribution to the advancement of goal-setting skills in recent years has been the
Soviet’s introduction of visualization. During mental rehearsal, athletes create mental
images of the exact movements they want to emulate in their sport. Use of this skill
substantially increases the effectiveness of goal-setting, which up until then had been
little more than a dull listing procedure.”
Garfield went on to talk about a startling experiment conducted by Soviet sports
scientists. The study examined the effect of mental training, including visualization, on
four groups of world-class athletes just prior to the 1980 Lake Placid Olympics. The four
groups of elite athletes were divided as follows:
Group 1 – 100% physical training
Group 2 – 75% physical training, 25% mental training
Group 3 – 50% physical training, 50% mental training
Group 4 – 25% physical training, 75% mental training
What the researchers found was that group 4 – the group with the most mental
training – had shown significantly greater improvement than group 3. Likewise, group 3
showed more improvement than group 2 and group 2 showed more improvement than
group 1.

In Psycho-Cybernetics, Dr. Maltz shared a similar account of an experiment on
the effects of mental practice on improving basketball free throws. The study, published
in Research Quarterly, divided the subjects into three groups. Each group was tested for
free throw accuracy once at the beginning of the experiment and again at its conclusion.
Group one physically practiced free throws for 20 days. Group two performed no
practice at all. Group three spent 20 minutes a day getting into a deeply relaxed state and
visualizing themselves shooting free throws. When they missed, they would visualize
themselves correcting their aim accordingly. The results were remarkable: the first group,
which practiced 20 minutes a day, improved in scoring 24%. The second group, which
had no practice, showed no improvement. The third group, which practiced in their
minds, improved their scoring 23%! Amazingly, mental practice yielded results almost
identical to physical practice."

From: "Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle" by Tom Venuto

onelongsong wrote:

farfromglorified wrote:

You're using the term "reality" in a misleading fashion here. What you're talking about is subjectivity, which is fine. But actual reality is singular. If your actual reality were different from my actual reality, our realities would contradict each other, thereby making something both true and false at the same time. You may potentially toe this philosophical road if you'd like, but nearly every concept in science, morality, and justice would be rendered invalid.

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT! our realities are opposite yet we exist and thrive in the same space. our magnetic field has both negative and positive poles; yet it exists as one.

onelongsong wrote:

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT! our realities are opposite yet we exist and thrive in the same space. our magnetic field has both negative and positive poles; yet it exists as one. the properties that define the positive pole define it's reality. no matter where you go; those properties still define a positive magnetic pole. thus; scientifically defining it's reality.
in my reality; it is 72F outside. it is scientifically proven by a thermometer. if it's not 72F where you are; it contradicts your reality. unless you concede that reality has boundries; one of us doesn't exist or at least one of us does not exist in "reality".