David Hicks forcibly sedated before being informed of terror charges

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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm here to tell you that the effects of chemotherapy drugs can last for months.


    I'd like you to name the med that has CNS ffects that last for weeks. Mt professional training must have missed that one.
    You are here to be wrong !!
    Even though THC, for example, remains detectable in your system for several months, you don't stay stoned for weeks.
    It's all bogus !!
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    lucylespian wrote:
    I'd like you to name the med that has CNS ffects that last for weeks. Mt professional training must have missed that one.
    You are here to be wrong !!
    Even though THC, for example, remains detectable in your system for several months, you don't stay stoned for weeks.
    It's all bogus !!

    Long-Term Effects of Olanzapine, Risperidone, and Quetiapine on Ionotropic Glutamate Receptor Types: Implications for Antipsychotic Drug Treatment
    http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/306/3/1145

    Now, I'm not saying they gave the guy an anti-psychotic drug, but I am saying that there are drugs out there that can fuck with the brain for a long time.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    lucylespian wrote:
    I'd like you to name the med that has CNS ffects that last for weeks. Mt professional training must have missed that one.
    You are here to be wrong !!
    Even though THC, for example, remains detectable in your system for several months, you don't stay stoned for weeks.
    It's all bogus !!

    I'd wouldn't be too sure. I bet the gov't has developed a more than a few classified slow release substances that stick and coat your insides, or assemble and accumulate or "bind" in the liver or elsewhere for slow release.

    I think it's possible.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    gue_barium wrote:
    Long-Term Effects of Olanzapine, Risperidone, and Quetiapine on Ionotropic Glutamate Receptor Types: Implications for Antipsychotic Drug Treatment
    http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/306/3/1145

    Now, I'm not saying they gave the guy an anti-psychotic drug, but I am saying that there are drugs out there that can fuck with the brain for a long time.

    There is a big differnece between long term changes n receptor populations,a nd long term effects from a singel dose. Not the same thing at all. HAven't had time to read that artlicel ye, I'll respond in more detail when I do.
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  • gue_barium
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    lucylespian wrote:
    There is a big differnece between long term changes n receptor populations,a nd long term effects from a singel dose. Not the same thing at all. HAven't had time to read that artlicel ye, I'll respond in more detail when I do.

    I don't think David Hicks was given a single dose. This was a daily med for his stomach ailment, wasn't it?
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  • lucylespian
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I'd wouldn't be too sure. I bet the gov't has developed a more than a few classified slow release substances that stick and coat your insides, or assemble and accumulate or "bind" in the liver or elsewhere for slow release.

    I think it's possible.

    The government doesn't develop anything. Drugs are developed by private corporations, none of whom subscribe to conspiracies, or keep significant developments secret. There is no clinical usefulness i drugs with an action as long as several weeks, as you can't titrate against a response. Long acting anti-psychotic injections would be the closest, but as I said, even they only last two weeks. Thder eis no value for anyone to spend precious resaerch dollars on stuff like that.
    Sorry to disappoint you.
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  • gue_barium
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    lucylespian wrote:
    The government doesn't develop anything. Drugs are developed by private corporations, none of whom subscribe to conspiracies, or keep significant developments secret. There is no clinical usefulness i drugs with an action as long as several weeks, as you can't titrate against a response. Long acting anti-psychotic injections would be the closest, but as I said, even they only last two weeks. Thder eis no value for anyone to spend precious resaerch dollars on stuff like that.
    Sorry to disappoint you.

    Ummm, not to get off topic, but available tax dollars can lead to all kinds of things that are non-profitable.
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  • lucylespian
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I don't think David Hicks wasn't given a single dose. This was a daily med for his stomach ailment, wasn't it?

    OK, rarely you get mental confusion from ranitidine, though I have seen it, which is a likely candidate for this. A drug side-effect like that is majorly different from "forced sedation". People get drug side-effects all yhe time, doesn't mean there is conspiracy to sedate or drug them. Google "ranitiadine" and see if you can see how it could possibly be used for "forced sedation".
    Geez, treating the guy for gutzache hardly qualifies for mistreatment or abuse. After all, chronic gutzache was a lot of what drove Kurt Cobain to suicide
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  • gue_barium
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    lucylespian wrote:
    OK, rarely you get mental confusion from ranitidine, though I have seen it, which is a likely candidate for this. A drug side-effect like that is majorly different from "forced sedation". People get drug side-effects all yhe time, doesn't mean there is conspiracy to sedate or drug them. Google "ranitiadine" and see if you can see how it could possibly be used for "forced sedation".
    Geez, treating the guy for gutzache hardly qualifies for mistreatment or abuse. After all, chronic gutzache was a lot of what drove Kurt Cobain to suicide

    lucy, you're blowing my mind.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    lucylespian wrote:
    The government doesn't develop anything. Drugs are developed by private corporations, none of whom subscribe to conspiracies, or keep significant developments secret. There is no clinical usefulness i drugs with an action as long as several weeks, as you can't titrate against a response. Long acting anti-psychotic injections would be the closest, but as I said, even they only last two weeks. Thder eis no value for anyone to spend precious resaerch dollars on stuff like that.
    Sorry to disappoint you.

    I think there's all kinds of people paying other people money to develop all kinds of things that are not published in medical journals or made available to the public.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • lucylespian
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I think there's all kinds of people paying other people money to develop all kinds of things that are not published in medical journals or made available to the public.

    you know, I don't think there is. v+developing durgs is way too hard. Most big corporations get one new drug maybe every few years, and the bigegst of all, Roche gets about 2 per year, which is huge compared to all teh others.
    I think you need to think harder about your consipracy theories before you subscribe. JUst cos a story is convincing, does not mean that it is true. I thkn in this case, you are all very keen to believe that Hicks is being mistrated, and are just jumping on the bandwagon, without thinking or knowing too much.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lucylespian wrote:
    you know, I don't think there is. v+developing durgs is way too hard. Most big corporations get one new drug maybe every few years, and the bigegst of all, Roche gets about 2 per year, which is huge compared to all teh others.
    I think you need to think harder about your consipracy theories before you subscribe. JUst cos a story is convincing, does not mean that it is true. I thkn in this case, you are all very keen to believe that Hicks is being mistrated, and are just jumping on the bandwagon, without thinking or knowing too much.

    Big companies develop drugs for mass consumption paying full awareness to side effects. I don't think the army cares much about what they administer to terrorists behind closed doors in order to get the desired result...seeing as beatings, and electrocution are commonplace.

    If I was him I'd want a blood test done to find out how polluted I was, but I think that's unlikely where he's at right now. There are people in this world who develop mind altering drugs etc... without the barriers of ethics and corporate responsibility as their main objectives.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
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    lucylespian wrote:
    you know, I don't think there is. v+developing durgs is way too hard. Most big corporations get one new drug maybe every few years, and the bigegst of all, Roche gets about 2 per year, which is huge compared to all teh others.
    I think you need to think harder about your consipracy theories before you subscribe. JUst cos a story is convincing, does not mean that it is true. I thkn in this case, you are all very keen to believe that Hicks is being mistrated, and are just jumping on the bandwagon, without thinking or knowing too much.

    You and me both.
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  • lucylespian
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    gue_barium wrote:
    You and me both.

    Oh I think I know plenty of pharmacology thank you very much !!!!!
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lucylespian wrote:
    Oh I think I know plenty of pharmacology thank you very much !!!!!

    All kinds of things cross borders and seem to materialize and in other countries. I doubt they are all registered and controlled substances.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_barium
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    Nobody knows the drug that is my brain like I do.
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  • lucylespian
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    All kinds of things cross borders and seem to materialize and in other countries. I doubt they are all registered and controlled substances.


    Thing is, they don't need some weird wonderful drug. It's pretty easy to adapt comonplace stuff, especially anaesthetic drugs to disinhibit people and get them to spill. Ask anyone who has worked in an operatigin theatre. Just a littel bit of Thiopentone or propofol mixed with a touch of midazolam, and people giggle and gabble. It can be pretty funny.
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  • gue_barium
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    lucylespian wrote:
    Thing is, they don't need some weird wonderful drug. It's pretty easy to adapt comonplace stuff, especially anaesthetic drugs to disinhibit people and get them to spill. Ask anyone who has worked in an operatigin theatre. Just a littel bit of Thiopentone or propofol mixed with a touch of midazolam, and people giggle and gabble. It can be pretty funny.

    I like giggling and gabbling. Can you get me some?
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  • Scubascott
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    lucylespian wrote:
    This is fabricaated crap. There is no medication that will last for three weeks in effect. Pretending to be dazed and confused is probably a good strategy for Hicks, to prepare to be stupid and forgetful in a witness box.
    While in principal innocence before guilt is preferred, they found this guy in Afganistan, remember? Afganistan. They didn't drag him out of his home in Australia. He was living in Afganistan. there are only two possible explanations for that, he was either a deep cover spy pretending to be a terrorist, or he was trainng and working with and for terorists. The Taliban are the same guys who oppress the crap out of women there and would do that to women everywhere.
    No-one thinks the Yanks are nice for the treatment of the detainees at


    I'd say there are more than just two possible explanations for him being in Afganistan. . . Anway all that may be true, but I think you're kind of missing the point. It doesn't matter whether or not he's guilty. Keeping someone in a maximum security prison for five years without charge in violation of international laws is deeply hypocritical when its done by a country that pretends to stand for justice and righteousness.


    And on the subject of treatment of women under the taliban etc, I'd suggest that anyone that wants to get a better understanding read 'The places in between' by Rory Stewart.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Scubascott wrote:
    I'd say there are more than just two possible explanations for him being in Afganistan. . . Anway all that may be true, but I think you're kind of missing the point. It doesn't matter whether or not he's guilty. Keeping someone in a maximum security prison for five years without charge in violation of international laws is deeply hypocritical when its done by a country that pretends to stand for justice and righteousness.


    And on the subject of treatment of women under the taliban etc, I'd suggest that anyone that wants to get a better understanding read 'The places in between' by Rory Stewart.

    Yeah, but that wasn't teh point of the article you posted was it. JUst how many white folk wus living in sunny ol' Afganistan at that time ? I'd like to hear some more plausible explanations if there are more to be had. Or is it possible that he really was hanging with terrorists ?
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