There is more than one God

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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    we just look at the original papyrus leaves.

    Or are there none left?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Because he is the Son of God. God sent him to earth not only to fulfill his word, but because if he'd not died on the cross then remission of sins would have been much, much harder. But because he died on the cross, salvation is for anybody.
    Wait a minute.....is there a point in discussing this with you? Or do you just not believe it and feel like arguing with people?

    You didn't answer the question. How long has Jesus been around? Always? Like you said. Then how could he be one with God, he's a separate entity then.

    Not sure what Jesus dying has to do with it. But why would it have been harder? And how did Jesus really sacrifice anything, he descended from heaven, died as a man, then returned to heaven. If he'd gone to Hell then I would call that a sacrifice.

    It's not just that I don't believe in it, it's just that it doesn't make any sense, and therefor I can't believe in it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Bu2 wrote:
    we just look at the original papyrus leaves.

    Or are there none left?


    I'm thinking about ecclesiastical debates in the Reformation era. Has anyone read In Praise of Folly by Erasmus? Brilliant book. It was framed in the context of debates about translations of the Bible. The Catholic Church wanted to stick to the Latin Vulgate; progressives wanted to go back further in time, to be closer to what they believed to be the intended, prescriptive meaning(s) of the surviving texts in antiquity.

    These sorts of debates must have shaped scholarly translations of the texts into English, I would guess (without knowing). However, the nature of the printing press being as volatile as it was at the time, you'd have a hard job making sure of an authoritative text in printed circulation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    "It's not just that I don't believe in it, it's just that it doesn't make any sense, and therefor[e] I can't believe in it."

    Ahnimus, we finally agree.

    Good night.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    I've read a couple of arguments in the past, that the use of the royal we wouldn't have been "allowed", but back in 1611, there was no such thing as stereotyping of print. No two copies of a printed text would be the same: different "meanings" could easily creep in. And the thing about language is, it's not in the intention, it's in the interpretation. If it was all in the intention, a lot more bad writers would be millionaires!

    I guess what we'd have to do is find sources and analogues for how the Geneva Bible, the Bishop's Bible or the King James version were put together.

    It's a translation from a Hebrew word for Gods plural, can't remember what the word is, but it's in that video.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    Ahnimus, we finally agree.

    Good night.

    Night Bu, don't let Goku get ya! ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    HAven't read the whoolr thtread, but this is a no-brainer, have counted about 45 different gods her just on this bit of forum alone !!
    Music is not a competetion.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's a translation from a Hebrew word for Gods plural, can't remember what the word is, but it's in that video.


    Interesting. I'll ask a rather conservative theologian/Hebrew scholar bloke I know, and see how he sweats a reply!
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Interesting. I'll ask a rather conservative theologian/Hebrew scholar bloke I know, and see how he sweats a reply!

    Here it is

    ELOHIM: God (a plural noun, more than two, used with singular verbs); Elohim occurs 2,570 times in the OT, 32 times in Gen. 1. God as Creator, Preserver, Transcendent, Mighty and Strong. Eccl., Dan. Jonah use Elohim almost exclusively. See Gen. 17:7, 6:18, 9:15, 50:24; I Kings 8:23; Jer. 31:33; Isa. 40:1.

    http://www.ldolphin.org/Names.html

    Confirm that with your friend.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Uh. God is talking to Jesus there.
    No he was speaking to the Chiors of seriphim. They were also made in his image, and thus we were made in their.
    That's two things we've got, Tape and Time.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I'm lucky if beer doesn't get me....

    All I am saying is, religion is not my bag. But feel free to carry on, because freedom IS (my bag, er).
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    I'm lucky if beer doesn't get me....

    Oh, lol, Have you never watched Dragon Ball Z? Bu is one of the enemies in the series.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    and what of Goddesses? ;)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Right from the Bible check it out. There is more than one God and they do not want us to live forever.

    1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."


    might be like the royal 'we'. you know when QE2 says we, but really means me(as in her alone).
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    I'm lucky if beer doesn't get me....

    All I am saying is, religion is not my bag. But feel free to carry on, because freedom IS (my bag, er).

    My bag is free too :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    might be like the royal 'we'. you know when QE2 says we, but really means me(as in her alone).

    See the Elohim post above ;)

    Will anyone address the fact that God does not want us to live forever?
    Am I seriously doing 'God's Will' by not wanting to live forever?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    The most free bag of all often sky dives naked :D
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    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I've seen it...once or twice. Queen Elizabeth and her "we", yes I've seen it more than twice.

    I'm still trying to figure out what this post is about.

    All I have are visions of the Queen with big eyes and a bad haircut.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    See the Elohim post above ;)

    oh i only read your inital posts ryan. that was enough for me. :)
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Ahnimus wrote:

    Will anyone address the fact that God does not want us to live forever?

    Wouldn't it get boring?
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