Oh, lol, Have you never watched Dragon Ball Z? Bu is one of the enemies in the series.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Right from the Bible check it out. There is more than one God and they do not want us to live forever.
1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
might be like the royal 'we'. you know when QE2 says we, but really means me(as in her alone).
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
All I am saying is, religion is not my bag. But feel free to carry on, because freedom IS (my bag, er).
My bag is free too
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
might be like the royal 'we'. you know when QE2 says we, but really means me(as in her alone).
See the Elohim post above
Will anyone address the fact that God does not want us to live forever?
Am I seriously doing 'God's Will' by not wanting to live forever?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
ELOHIM: God (a plural noun, more than two, used with singular verbs); Elohim occurs 2,570 times in the OT, 32 times in Gen. 1. God as Creator, Preserver, Transcendent, Mighty and Strong. Eccl., Dan. Jonah use Elohim almost exclusively. See Gen. 17:7, 6:18, 9:15, 50:24; I Kings 8:23; Jer. 31:33; Isa. 40:1.
Just thinking, though: our concept of monotheism is skewed? Perhaps Elohim is a monotheism that is a sum of polytheistic elements, a way of saying, I am all manifestations of Godhood?
Our interpretation of the relationship between selfhood and oneness may be a symptom of our ideological period.
Arguably, ideas of human ontology, selfhood and individuality have largely developed comparatively recently. (Marxist historians and cultural theorists such as Raymond Williams argued that, in literature, this idea of the individual seems to surface around the time of the birth of capitalism, circa 1600 if you like.) Our idea of selfhood or identity might have been more pluralistic, beforehand?
I could grab my books and give you a full argument, backed up with supporting evidence, but I'll just throw out the proposition for now!
Just thinking, though: our concept of monotheism is skewed? Perhaps Elohim is a monotheism that is a sum of polytheistic elements, a way of saying, I am all manifestations of Godhood?
Our interpretation of the relationship between selfhood and oneness may be a symptom of our ideological period.
Arguably, ideas of human ontology, selfhood and individuality have largely developed comparatively recently. (Marxist historians and cultural theorists such as Raymond Williams argued that, in literature, this idea of the individual seems to surface around the time of the birth of capitalism, circa 1600 if you like.) Our idea of selfhood or identity might have been more pluralistic, beforehand?
I could grab my books and give you a full argument, backed up with supporting evidence, but I'll just throw out the proposition for now!
I'm sold, I mean if we're looking at this with our further evolved language and with current ideologies than we are lacking any context and would reduce this to the theoretical equivalent of trying to play a mandolin song on a 62 Strat.
"I'm not suicidal, except when I drink. That's why we don't all drink at the same time, there'd be no-one alive to drive home..."
Chris Cornell
Just thinking, though: our concept of monotheism is skewed? Perhaps Elohim is a monotheism that is a sum of polytheistic elements, a way of saying, I am all manifestations of Godhood?
Our interpretation of the relationship between selfhood and oneness may be a symptom of our ideological period.
Arguably, ideas of human ontology, selfhood and individuality have largely developed comparatively recently. (Marxist historians and cultural theorists such as Raymond Williams argued that, in literature, this idea of the individual seems to surface around the time of the birth of capitalism, circa 1600 if you like.) Our idea of selfhood or identity might have been more pluralistic, beforehand?
I could grab my books and give you a full argument, backed up with supporting evidence, but I'll just throw out the proposition for now!
1600 was a good guess. It was 1589 when my great(x5) grandfar, Ebeneezer Beelzebub was birthed from a bitch in an egyptian tomb.
Right from the Bible check it out. There is more than one God and they do not want us to live forever.
1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Interesting anyway, heard this on a Caltech conference, the speaker was John Hartung
They are spiritual meanings Ahnimus. You'd think after thousands of years we'd of already noticed that and would have figured out it's meanings. It's not a very clever way to argue against the scriptures.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Will anyone address the fact that God does not want us to live forever?
Am I seriously doing 'God's Will' by not wanting to live forever?
people get me rattled with these kinds of questions.
In Genesis when God kicks Adam and Eve out of the garden of eden he kicked them out because he did not want them to eat from the tree of life and live forever with sin. If Adam and Eve would've stayed there, they would've lived forever without redemption.... which wouldn't have been good for us.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Haha
For me-
Offense #1
And the Bible blames Eve (woman) for the hurt and death of all that will live. No paradise because of this apple.
Offense#2
How did all of mankind start from the union of two people. Kids would have had to procreate with siblings and on and on - Incest - no wonder this world has so many lunatics, yes?
so many more. There are great lessons written by man in this Bible but there is a lot of hate, fear and prejudice taught as well.
Take 2 monkey like creatures in the paradisiac forests of Africa. By a miraculous event these get to delevop self conscience as well as the ability to walk on their hind legs only. These monkeys must leave the forest (not at all suitable for a 2 legged animal) and go to the plains.
That's a way of reading genesis, as for the incest part you can read it that way... or you can argue it is metaphorical and it means we are all brothers and should stop hating each other.
You read in obscure books like the bible exactly what you want to read.
Will anyone address the fact that God does not want us to live forever?
Am I seriously doing 'God's Will' by not wanting to live forever?
you are living by God's plan yes. He meant for no one to live forever. We are supposed to be reborn later on if I got everything right. So technically no one will live forever.
You didn't answer the question. How long has Jesus been around? Always? Like you said. Then how could he be one with God, he's a separate entity then.
Not sure what Jesus dying has to do with it. But why would it have been harder? And how did Jesus really sacrifice anything, he descended from heaven, died as a man, then returned to heaven. If he'd gone to Hell then I would call that a sacrifice.
It's not just that I don't believe in it, it's just that it doesn't make any sense, and therefor I can't believe in it.
ok... Jesus was only around from the time that Mary gave birth. The man Jesus had a beginning and had an end.
Christ, which means anointing, is what God was referring to in Genesis. "Let US create men in our image..." This is what created the universe. Hebrews says, "these last days he [God] has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe." Christ is in essence the mind of God. This Christ was sent to Mary so that she would give birth to a child. This child would grow up, as the bible mentions "filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him."
About Jesus and God being one is wrong. Not because "I have the right" answer but because that's what the Bible is really saying. Of course it's not "just that you don't believe in it". It's because most people don't make sense of it.
And Jesus did indeed go to hell. Acts 2 "23This man [Jesus] was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the AGONY OF DEATH because it was impossible for DEATH to keep its hold on him."
Then again Hebrews 2 "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death."
Other versions mention hell instead of death.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
you are living by God's plan yes. He meant for no one to live forever. We are supposed to be reborn later on if I got everything right. So technically no one will live forever.
?????
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
My apologies, scriptures were taken from Genesis, KJV.
This guy mentioned that the Torah is the "LAW" for both the Jews and Christians. That is wrong. It's only the law for Jews. The New Testament clearly points that Jesus fulfilled these laws so that we no longer live by them.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Well, obviously God meant for your physical body to die. Your soul goes to heaven. But not for eternity. Because later on there is the apocalypse, another series of judgments. Then only are you truly reborn. So technically, you yourself won't live forever. Your rebornself will.
Well, obviously God meant for your physical body to die. Your soul goes to heaven. But not for eternity. Because later on there is the apocalypse, another series of judgments. Then only are you truly reborn. So technically, you yourself won't live forever. Your rebornself will.
You need to understand what God's intention was in the scriptures. His intention was not for our physical bodies to die. Death came about because of sin. Sin originated from a lie, or as one man put it, a false identity. If our souls go to heaven they go eternally to heaven. And that's it. I'm not sure where you're getting the rest from. The series of judgements happen to this earth during a seven-year period, or as mentioned in Daniel, the 70 weeks that Daniel had in his dreams. So no, God did not mean for us to die. You are reading the scriptures wrong.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
You need to understand what God's intention was in the scriptures. His intention was not for our physical bodies to die. Death came about because of sin. Sin originated from a lie, or as one man put it, a false identity. If our souls go to heaven they go eternally to heaven. And that's it. I'm not sure where you're getting the rest from. The series of judgements happen to this earth during a seven-year period, or as mentioned in Daniel, the 70 weeks that Daniel had in his dreams. So no, God did not mean for us to die. You are reading the scriptures wrong.
What I understood is what I got from John's Gospel, I may be completely off, but that's how I got the whole judgment thing.
That's sad because I don't believe either we are meant to live forever. Not the way we mean "live" at least.
said the Presbyterian to the Southern Baptist said to the Lutheran said to the Anglican said to the Catholic said to the Methodist said to the Seventh Day Adventist said to the Pentacostal said to the Quaker said to the Mormon said to the Dude that Thumps the Bible at Home said to the....who the fuck cares?!?!
This is very interesting stuff. But I feel I must simply forget what I already know and place all of my faith into a story that even those who believe can't agree on.
And the stories, for example Noah's ark was a Sumerian story and the Cross bears a striking resemblence to the Egyptian Ankh. Not sure what to believe, if any of it. I'd like to know what gives people this strong conviction that they are right.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
This is very interesting stuff. But I feel I must simply forget what I already know and place all of my faith into a story that even those who believe can't agree on.
And the stories, for example Noah's ark was a Sumerian story and the Cross bears a striking resemblence to the Egyptian Ankh. Not sure what to believe, if any of it. I'd like to know what gives people this strong conviction that they are right.
"God created man in his image". This follows the quoted section of Genesis. No mention of plural Gods creating man. God had created the heavens first so I would assume the us is him referring to angels or Jesus. But all of this is if you take the story of creation literally. Which in my opinion it shouldn't be.
Also, what does it matter if the cross resembles another symbol used by other people? I would think that something inspired this symbol to be used along with the crucifixion of Jesus.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
Right from the Bible check it out. There is more than one God and they do not want us to live forever.
1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Interesting anyway, heard this on a Caltech conference, the speaker was John Hartung
There are 3 components of God - Father, Son & Holy Spirit. It's called the Trinity. I thought you would have heard of that before...
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
any time i hear this one i immediately think of "ismael"
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All I am saying is, religion is not my bag. But feel free to carry on, because freedom IS (my bag, er).
Oh, lol, Have you never watched Dragon Ball Z? Bu is one of the enemies in the series.
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
might be like the royal 'we'. you know when QE2 says we, but really means me(as in her alone).
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
My bag is free too
See the Elohim post above
Will anyone address the fact that God does not want us to live forever?
Am I seriously doing 'God's Will' by not wanting to live forever?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I'm still trying to figure out what this post is about.
All I have are visions of the Queen with big eyes and a bad haircut.
oh i only read your inital posts ryan. that was enough for me.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Wouldn't it get boring?
Yes it would.
then.
Just thinking, though: our concept of monotheism is skewed? Perhaps Elohim is a monotheism that is a sum of polytheistic elements, a way of saying, I am all manifestations of Godhood?
Our interpretation of the relationship between selfhood and oneness may be a symptom of our ideological period.
Arguably, ideas of human ontology, selfhood and individuality have largely developed comparatively recently. (Marxist historians and cultural theorists such as Raymond Williams argued that, in literature, this idea of the individual seems to surface around the time of the birth of capitalism, circa 1600 if you like.) Our idea of selfhood or identity might have been more pluralistic, beforehand?
I could grab my books and give you a full argument, backed up with supporting evidence, but I'll just throw out the proposition for now!
I'm sold, I mean if we're looking at this with our further evolved language and with current ideologies than we are lacking any context and would reduce this to the theoretical equivalent of trying to play a mandolin song on a 62 Strat.
Chris Cornell
http://www.myspace.com/mrwalkerb
1600 was a good guess. It was 1589 when my great(x5) grandfar, Ebeneezer Beelzebub was birthed from a bitch in an egyptian tomb.
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In Genesis when God kicks Adam and Eve out of the garden of eden he kicked them out because he did not want them to eat from the tree of life and live forever with sin. If Adam and Eve would've stayed there, they would've lived forever without redemption.... which wouldn't have been good for us.
Take 2 monkey like creatures in the paradisiac forests of Africa. By a miraculous event these get to delevop self conscience as well as the ability to walk on their hind legs only. These monkeys must leave the forest (not at all suitable for a 2 legged animal) and go to the plains.
That's a way of reading genesis, as for the incest part you can read it that way... or you can argue it is metaphorical and it means we are all brothers and should stop hating each other.
You read in obscure books like the bible exactly what you want to read.
you are living by God's plan yes. He meant for no one to live forever. We are supposed to be reborn later on if I got everything right. So technically no one will live forever.
Christ, which means anointing, is what God was referring to in Genesis. "Let US create men in our image..." This is what created the universe. Hebrews says, "these last days he [God] has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe." Christ is in essence the mind of God. This Christ was sent to Mary so that she would give birth to a child. This child would grow up, as the bible mentions "filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him."
About Jesus and God being one is wrong. Not because "I have the right" answer but because that's what the Bible is really saying. Of course it's not "just that you don't believe in it". It's because most people don't make sense of it.
And Jesus did indeed go to hell. Acts 2 "23This man [Jesus] was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the AGONY OF DEATH because it was impossible for DEATH to keep its hold on him."
Then again Hebrews 2 "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death."
Other versions mention hell instead of death.
Well, obviously God meant for your physical body to die. Your soul goes to heaven. But not for eternity. Because later on there is the apocalypse, another series of judgments. Then only are you truly reborn. So technically, you yourself won't live forever. Your rebornself will.
What I understood is what I got from John's Gospel, I may be completely off, but that's how I got the whole judgment thing.
That's sad because I don't believe either we are meant to live forever. Not the way we mean "live" at least.
said the Presbyterian to the Southern Baptist said to the Lutheran said to the Anglican said to the Catholic said to the Methodist said to the Seventh Day Adventist said to the Pentacostal said to the Quaker said to the Mormon said to the Dude that Thumps the Bible at Home said to the....who the fuck cares?!?!
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
And the stories, for example Noah's ark was a Sumerian story and the Cross bears a striking resemblence to the Egyptian Ankh. Not sure what to believe, if any of it. I'd like to know what gives people this strong conviction that they are right.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs
striking resemblence? they are simliar sorta but striking? i dont think so.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Also, what does it matter if the cross resembles another symbol used by other people? I would think that something inspired this symbol to be used along with the crucifixion of Jesus.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
There are 3 components of God - Father, Son & Holy Spirit. It's called the Trinity. I thought you would have heard of that before...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
any time i hear this one i immediately think of "ismael"