I was talking to one of my buddies yesterday. He's a cop and I'm a fireman...he wound up saying "man, you guys have it made compared to us." I had to agree with him. Fire isn't scary...You can study fire, it's predictable.
You forgot to mention firemen can get laid anytime they want.
Seriously though, other countries have many guns, cars, money, people, etc. So why is it we're the ones shooting and killing people unnecessarily in the highest numbers? Why do we have so many people who have such a hard on for guns? I'm not saying ban them. They're not banned in many countries with populations similar to ours and there's still not as many shooting related deaths. At little gun control isn't a bad thing. I do agree that it mainly lies within the person.
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Surely whether or not the other trick or treaters visited or not is kind of off the point? The point being that if this psycho DIDN'T have a gun, the child wouldn't be dead?
Well I've read this thread... and I definitely sympathize with the family.. horrible tragedy.:(
However, I don't feel that this comment is entirely true. If this guy didn't have a gun, the kid wouldn't be dead? I know there are people in this thread who also agree with this statement... but the truth is there is no way to possibly know whether this kid would be safe without guns. Who's to say whether this psycho nutjob would have run out of the house with a knife.. yes it's harder to stab a person to death, than shoot a person.. but people get killed by objects other than guns all the time. Some people are just fucking complete wastes of life with murderous rage... whether they have a gun or not.
edit: okay now I'm confused because I just realized you put a question mark after your last sentence.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
Point being, it's likely no one in that story would be dead or arrested if that psycho didn't have a gun.
And people would not have drinking problems if we did not have alcohol.
People would not die in car accidents if we did not have cars.
People would not die in hurricanes if they moved away from the shore.
I could go on and on. Thats ridiculous.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Well I've read this thread... and I definitely sympathize with the family.. horrible tragedy.:(
However, I don't feel that this comment is entirely true. If this guy didn't have a gun, the kid wouldn't be dead? I know there are people in this thread who also agree with this statement... but the truth is there is no way to possibly know whether this kid would be safe without guns. Who's to say whether this psycho nutjob would have run out of the house with a knife.. yes it's harder to stab a person to death, than shoot a person.. but people get killed by objects other than guns all the time. Some people are just fucking complete wastes of life with murderous rage... whether they have a gun or not.
edit: okay now I'm confused because I just realized you put a question mark after your last sentence.
I agree that psychos will be psychos. I maintain that IN THIS CASE and IN MY OPINION the child would probably not have been killed. The murderer shot him from inside his house, using the weapon he had to hand.
The question mark was to indicate that I thought that was the point the OP was making in starting the thread. One can never be sure
I agree that psychos will be psychos. I maintain that IN THIS CASE and IN MY OPINION the child would probably not have been killed. The murderer shot him from inside his house, using the weapon he had to hand.
The question mark was to indicate that I thought that was the point the OP was making in starting the thread. One can never be sure
Fair enough..:)
I realize that you guys hear about this stuff from the media... and it just seems like America is full of people shooting at eachother. A good portion, not all obviously (as this thread shows you), but a lot of this happens within gang rivalries. Most of the guns used in these shootings are obtained illegally through the black market and are not bought at stores. Thus, gun control would make it harder for the average, good citizen and people not affiliated with gangs to obtain them... while gangsters would still probably be able to get their hands on guns with relative ease. I feel gangs are the real issue in the quest to solve the gun problem... however I have no clue on how to even begin to remedy that situation.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
I realize that you guys hear about this stuff from the media... and it just seems like America is full of people shooting at eachother. A good portion, not all obviously (as this thread shows you), but a lot of this happens within gang rivalries. Most of the guns used in these shootings are obtained illegally through the black market and are not bought at stores. Thus, gun control would make it harder for the average, good citizen and people not affiliated with gangs to obtain them... while gangsters would still probably be able to get their hands on guns with relative ease. I feel gangs are the real issue in the quest to solve the gun problem... however I have no clue on how to even begin to remedy that situation.
I still wonder what the 'average, good citizen not affilated with gangs' would need a gun for?
I think what's going to come out of this story, and what is not even being brought up in this thread, is that the shooter was not an imbred hillbilly who legally owned the gun and killed the boy because of lax firearm laws. what is more likely that we are going to see is that this is a multiple convicted criminal thug who had the weapon illegally, probably dealing drugs out of the house, who shot the kid. all the gun laws in the world are not going to affect a criminal who wants to have a gun.
I realize that you guys hear about this stuff from the media... and it just seems like America is full of people shooting at eachother. A good portion, not all obviously (as this thread shows you), but a lot of this happens within gang rivalries. Most of the guns used in these shootings are obtained illegally through the black market and are not bought at stores. Thus, gun control would make it harder for the average, good citizen and people not affiliated with gangs to obtain them... while gangsters would still probably be able to get their hands on guns with relative ease. I feel gangs are the real issue in the quest to solve the gun problem... however I have no clue on how to even begin to remedy that situation.
these "black market guns" are either bought initially legally or at a gun show that has instant sale, still as of now legal.It is people with a clean record going out of state or even staying in state, going through the process and through greed making the outrageous buck by selling on the black market.Seems to me this is the way it is all set up.
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these "black market guns" are either bought initially legally or at a gun show that has instant sale, still as of now legal.It is people with a clean record going out of state or even staying in state, going through the process and through greed making the outrageous buck by selling on the black market.Seems to me this is the way it is all set up.
I agree... but now the market is so flooded with these guns that I feel it's too late to stop it. It would definitely lower the numbers... but not stop it.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
He was a full-grown adult and he was not able to figure out which house had the gun-toting psycho in it.
That's got to be one of the stupidest thing ever written.
And a country where you need to guess the house where a psycho is a gun-toting psycho has some seriously fucked up laws.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
I realize that you guys hear about this stuff from the media... and it just seems like America is full of people shooting at eachother. A good portion, not all obviously (as this thread shows you), but a lot of this happens within gang rivalries. Most of the guns used in these shootings are obtained illegally through the black market and are not bought at stores. Thus, gun control would make it harder for the average, good citizen and people not affiliated with gangs to obtain them... while gangsters would still probably be able to get their hands on guns with relative ease. I feel gangs are the real issue in the quest to solve the gun problem... however I have no clue on how to even begin to remedy that situation.
How many legally bought firearms end up on the streets?
If you buy a gun legally, is it automatically registered?
How many legally bought firearms end up on the streets?
If you buy a gun legally, is it automatically registered?
Who knows.. I've never bought a gun and am no gun expert. All I'm saying is that it is doubtful that gun control is going to magically solve all these problems. It would probably help.. but the war is too far entrenched.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
How many legally bought firearms end up on the streets?
If you buy a gun legally, is it automatically registered?
Yes.
I own three and you have to show proper identification and you have to fill out a lot of paperwork with the city and state.
If you want to buy a hand gun, it takes about a month to finish all the paperwork in New Jersey. They do many different background checks and you are fingerprinted. The person or store you buy the hand gun from has to send in the gun papers into the state showing who has bought the gun and where it goes. This permit you get, allows you to buy only ONE hand gun and as many rifles or shot guns you want really. Usually, people are buying them for Skeet or Trap shooting, home protection, or hunting. I bought my shot gun for hunting a while back but I won't hunt anymore. We love to watch the families of deer come into our yard. The need to be controlled but I don't want to be the one to do it. I bought my hand gun when I lived in Atlantic City. It was a pretty ruff neighborhood and many had their homes broken into. And I own a rifle because I love to go target shooting. Its a lot of fun.
When buying a rifle of shot gun you again need to fill out paperwork and they do an instant phone call check with the state to see if all your paperwork check out. It not a easy to buy a gun legally as you think.
To some of you who are ignorant, I might be a redneck hick. But the reality is that I live in suburbia south Jersey, with a wife, daughter and two little pugs and I enjoy shooting guns. They are kept locked up far away from my daughter and wife. The little one has never seen them but someday she might learn how to handle one.
If guns are not for you thats fine, but that does not mean you are right and I am wrong for owning one.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Yes.
I own three and you have to show proper identification and you have to fill out a lot of paperwork with the city and state.
If you want to buy a hand gun, it takes about a month to finish all the paperwork in New Jersey. They do many different background checks and you are fingerprinted. The person or store you buy the hand gun from has to send in the gun papers into the state showing who has bought the gun and where it goes. This permit you get, allows you to buy only ONE hand gun and as many rifles or shot guns you want really. Usually, people are buying them for Skeet or Trap shooting, home protection, or hunting. I bought my shot gun for hunting a while back but I won't hunt anymore. We love to watch the families of deer come into our yard. The need to be controlled but I don't want to be the one to do it. I bought my hand gun when I lived in Atlantic City. It was a pretty ruff neighborhood and many had their homes broken into. And I own a rifle because I love to go target shooting. Its a lot of fun.
When buying a rifle of shot gun you again need to fill out paperwork and they do an instant phone call check with the state to see if all your paperwork check out. It not a easy to buy a gun legally as you think.
To some of you who are ignorant, I might be a redneck hick. But the reality is that I live in suburbia south Jersey, with a wife, daughter and two little pugs and I enjoy shooting guns. They are kept locked up far away from my daughter and wife. The little one has never seen them but someday she might learn how to handle one.
If guns are not for you thats fine, but that does not mean you are right and I am wrong for owning one.
So, you hate Obama and support slavery, eh? I knew it.
Who knows.. I've never bought a gun and am no gun expert. All I'm saying is that it is doubtful that gun control is going to magically solve all these problems. It would probably help.. but the war is too far entrenched.
I'm not saying gun control will solve these problems. It's a start. You have to start somewhere. The gun proponents like to cite slogans, but they don't offer any solution whatsoever. In fact, they seem to deny there's a problem.
Gun don't kill people, people kill people. You could probably kill a guy with a spoon too. Let's ban spoons.
That's how a lot of arguments go. The possibility that a gun and the lenient gun laws are part of the problem doesn't even enter their minds. Furthermore, they switch the debate from 'we have a problem, what can we do about it' to 'banning guns won't help, you're not taking away my guns.'
As long as this backwards mentality exists, there will never be progress. The same goes for the ones screaming 'ban all guns'. It's pointless and it's not helping either, instead it cripples the debate. There should be a mature dialogue between the two sides, and it's in both sides' best interest to find a solution to the problem.
A great starting point could be what can be done about illegal firearms. How many billions of dollars is your government pumping into the war on illegal firearms? Where are most of the guns coming from?
I'm not saying gun control will solve these problems. It's a start. You have to start somewhere. The gun proponents like to cite slogans, but they don't offer any solution whatsoever. In fact, they seem to deny there's a problem.
Gun don't kill people, people kill people. You could probably kill a guy with a spoon too. Let's ban spoons.
That's how a lot of arguments go. The possibility that a gun and the lenient gun laws are part of the problem doesn't even enter their minds. Furthermore, they switch the debate from 'we have a problem, what can we do about it' to 'banning guns won't help, you're not taking away my guns.'
As long as this backwards mentality exists, there will never be progress. The same goes for the ones screaming 'ban all guns'. It's pointless and it's not helping either, instead it cripples the debate. There should be a mature dialogue between the two sides, and it's in both sides' best interest to find a solution to the problem.
A great starting point could be what can be done about illegal firearms. How many billions of dollars is your government pumping into the war on illegal firearms? Where are most of the guns coming from?
apparently they are falling off the back of a truck
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
A great starting point could be what can be done about illegal firearms. How many billions of dollars is your government pumping into the war on illegal firearms? Where are most of the guns coming from?
Well most of the illegal firearms, as stated before, started out legal.. and then had their serial numbers scraped off and sold illegally. Another place they are coming from, although smaller, is from the people that are smuggling illegal drugs into our country. There is no store that sells cocaine and has you register it... yet it is all over the streets. Guns are not as profitable to these druglords, because you can still buy them legally in gun stores... but if you severely limit the accessibility of guns, then all of a sudden they become a huge new cash cow to these guys. It's a question of what is better... and it's hard to answer.
Plus, most of these people that already own illegal guns aren't going to turn them in if a severe gun control mandate is enforced. They're already out in the streets and will continue to stay that way.. no matter how hard the government tries. Our country is huge and has many different nationalities and viewpoints.. it's extremely hard to police and make everything perfect.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
you're right.. it happens every day... in the US alone 4 kids under the age of 15 die per day as a result of handgun, accident or otherwise... but nice show of compassion... havent you got poncy deck shoes to buy or something?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I'm not saying gun control will solve these problems. It's a start. You have to start somewhere. The gun proponents like to cite slogans, but they don't offer any solution whatsoever. In fact, they seem to deny there's a problem.
Gun don't kill people, people kill people. You could probably kill a guy with a spoon too. Let's ban spoons.
That's how a lot of arguments go. The possibility that a gun and the lenient gun laws are part of the problem doesn't even enter their minds. Furthermore, they switch the debate from 'we have a problem, what can we do about it' to 'banning guns won't help, you're not taking away my guns.'
As long as this backwards mentality exists, there will never be progress. The same goes for the ones screaming 'ban all guns'. It's pointless and it's not helping either, instead it cripples the debate. There should be a mature dialogue between the two sides, and it's in both sides' best interest to find a solution to the problem.
A great starting point could be what can be done about illegal firearms. How many billions of dollars is your government pumping into the war on illegal firearms? Where are most of the guns coming from?
this post is so good and so clear that I've printed it off, laminated it and sent it off the The University of Common Sense.. they are putting it up on a plaque
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I'm actually writing an essay on why handguns shouldn't be banned. Quick, someone give me at least three reasons why they shouldn't. I'm serious, not being sarcastic.
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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You forgot to mention firemen can get laid anytime they want.
Seriously though, other countries have many guns, cars, money, people, etc. So why is it we're the ones shooting and killing people unnecessarily in the highest numbers? Why do we have so many people who have such a hard on for guns? I'm not saying ban them. They're not banned in many countries with populations similar to ours and there's still not as many shooting related deaths. At little gun control isn't a bad thing. I do agree that it mainly lies within the person.
ilovesinging-The crazy lady that you catch in detention. Yeah,you can talk to me.
I am me-I would love to keep it that way.
Well I've read this thread... and I definitely sympathize with the family.. horrible tragedy.:(
However, I don't feel that this comment is entirely true. If this guy didn't have a gun, the kid wouldn't be dead? I know there are people in this thread who also agree with this statement... but the truth is there is no way to possibly know whether this kid would be safe without guns. Who's to say whether this psycho nutjob would have run out of the house with a knife.. yes it's harder to stab a person to death, than shoot a person.. but people get killed by objects other than guns all the time. Some people are just fucking complete wastes of life with murderous rage... whether they have a gun or not.
edit: okay now I'm confused because I just realized you put a question mark after your last sentence.
People would not die in car accidents if we did not have cars.
People would not die in hurricanes if they moved away from the shore.
I could go on and on. Thats ridiculous.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Yes, cars serve no purpose other than to cause death and hurt people. Totally unnecessary.
Yes, because natural disasters and man killing each other with firearms is totally comparable.
I could go on and on. You're ridiculous.
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The question mark was to indicate that I thought that was the point the OP was making in starting the thread. One can never be sure
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If there was a reason, it was you.
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Fair enough..:)
I realize that you guys hear about this stuff from the media... and it just seems like America is full of people shooting at eachother. A good portion, not all obviously (as this thread shows you), but a lot of this happens within gang rivalries. Most of the guns used in these shootings are obtained illegally through the black market and are not bought at stores. Thus, gun control would make it harder for the average, good citizen and people not affiliated with gangs to obtain them... while gangsters would still probably be able to get their hands on guns with relative ease. I feel gangs are the real issue in the quest to solve the gun problem... however I have no clue on how to even begin to remedy that situation.
Wembley 18/06/07
If there was a reason, it was you.
O2 Arena 18/09/09
Some people like to hunt or shoot clay pigeons or stuff like that I guess. I personally don't, but I have some friends who like to do that stuff.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I agree... but now the market is so flooded with these guns that I feel it's too late to stop it. It would definitely lower the numbers... but not stop it.
That's got to be one of the stupidest thing ever written.
And a country where you need to guess the house where a psycho is a gun-toting psycho has some seriously fucked up laws.
How many legally bought firearms end up on the streets?
If you buy a gun legally, is it automatically registered?
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Who knows.. I've never bought a gun and am no gun expert. All I'm saying is that it is doubtful that gun control is going to magically solve all these problems. It would probably help.. but the war is too far entrenched.
Create jobs.
Then do one of those gun amnesty turn in deals.
1 gun(or more) = decent paying employment.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I own three and you have to show proper identification and you have to fill out a lot of paperwork with the city and state.
If you want to buy a hand gun, it takes about a month to finish all the paperwork in New Jersey. They do many different background checks and you are fingerprinted. The person or store you buy the hand gun from has to send in the gun papers into the state showing who has bought the gun and where it goes. This permit you get, allows you to buy only ONE hand gun and as many rifles or shot guns you want really. Usually, people are buying them for Skeet or Trap shooting, home protection, or hunting. I bought my shot gun for hunting a while back but I won't hunt anymore. We love to watch the families of deer come into our yard. The need to be controlled but I don't want to be the one to do it. I bought my hand gun when I lived in Atlantic City. It was a pretty ruff neighborhood and many had their homes broken into. And I own a rifle because I love to go target shooting. Its a lot of fun.
When buying a rifle of shot gun you again need to fill out paperwork and they do an instant phone call check with the state to see if all your paperwork check out. It not a easy to buy a gun legally as you think.
To some of you who are ignorant, I might be a redneck hick. But the reality is that I live in suburbia south Jersey, with a wife, daughter and two little pugs and I enjoy shooting guns. They are kept locked up far away from my daughter and wife. The little one has never seen them but someday she might learn how to handle one.
If guns are not for you thats fine, but that does not mean you are right and I am wrong for owning one.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
So, you hate Obama and support slavery, eh? I knew it.
/sarcasm
I'm not saying gun control will solve these problems. It's a start. You have to start somewhere. The gun proponents like to cite slogans, but they don't offer any solution whatsoever. In fact, they seem to deny there's a problem.
Gun don't kill people, people kill people. You could probably kill a guy with a spoon too. Let's ban spoons.
That's how a lot of arguments go. The possibility that a gun and the lenient gun laws are part of the problem doesn't even enter their minds. Furthermore, they switch the debate from 'we have a problem, what can we do about it' to 'banning guns won't help, you're not taking away my guns.'
As long as this backwards mentality exists, there will never be progress. The same goes for the ones screaming 'ban all guns'. It's pointless and it's not helping either, instead it cripples the debate. There should be a mature dialogue between the two sides, and it's in both sides' best interest to find a solution to the problem.
A great starting point could be what can be done about illegal firearms. How many billions of dollars is your government pumping into the war on illegal firearms? Where are most of the guns coming from?
naděje umírá poslední
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Well most of the illegal firearms, as stated before, started out legal.. and then had their serial numbers scraped off and sold illegally. Another place they are coming from, although smaller, is from the people that are smuggling illegal drugs into our country. There is no store that sells cocaine and has you register it... yet it is all over the streets. Guns are not as profitable to these druglords, because you can still buy them legally in gun stores... but if you severely limit the accessibility of guns, then all of a sudden they become a huge new cash cow to these guys. It's a question of what is better... and it's hard to answer.
Plus, most of these people that already own illegal guns aren't going to turn them in if a severe gun control mandate is enforced. They're already out in the streets and will continue to stay that way.. no matter how hard the government tries. Our country is huge and has many different nationalities and viewpoints.. it's extremely hard to police and make everything perfect.
you're right.. it happens every day... in the US alone 4 kids under the age of 15 die per day as a result of handgun, accident or otherwise... but nice show of compassion... havent you got poncy deck shoes to buy or something?
this post is so good and so clear that I've printed it off, laminated it and sent it off the The University of Common Sense.. they are putting it up on a plaque
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Those are some good ol' American family values there.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uftJy-9WoKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0XYTdNxLIg
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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( o.O)
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