Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I've had kids die in my arms and seen their families heartbreak. Every one of them that dies is one too many. I don't give a fuck if it doesn't happen every halloween. A child is dead. Show some compassion and respect.
I hate to say it, but maybe everyone needs to have a kid die in his/her arms so they can really understand the effect of guns. :(
I think your problem is that you add too much of a realistic perspective to this conversation and people don't want that! :rolleyes:
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Audit: $6B Spent on Private Security Companies in Iraq
A new government audit has found at least $6 billion in US taxpayer money has gone to private military and security companies operating in Iraq. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction says that’s about 12 percent of the $50 billion in Iraq reconstruction money that has mostly flowed to American corporations. A recent internal report found the US has contracted at least 310 private security companies in Iraq. The most notorious of the companies, Blackwater Worldwide, has yet to face any charges for the September 2007 massacre of seventeen Iraqis in Baghdad’s Nissour Square.
It's no wonder they can test and fire a weapon like that at the Blackwater compound. They've made hunderds of millions of dollars they can afford weapons like this.
Our new private military Blackwater USA.
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SUMTER, S.C. – An ex-convict who thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door, police said Saturday.
Quentin Patrick, 22, is accused of killing 12-year-old T.J. Darrisaw on Friday night. T.J.'s 9-year-old brother, Ahmadre Darrisaw, and their father, Freddie Grinnell, were injured but were released after being treated at a hospital.
The family attended a Halloween celebration in downtown Sumter, 45 miles east of Columbia, then stopped at Patrick's house because the porch light was on, police said. Another sibling was with them, but wasn't hurt.
Police said at least two of the boys were wearing ghoulish masks when they knocked on the door. The boys' mother and a toddler stayed in the car nearby.
Patrick emptied his AK-47, shooting at least 29 times through his front door, walls and windows after hearing the knock, Police Chief Patty Patterson said.
He told police he had been robbed and shot in the past year.
"He wasn't going to be robbed again, and he wasn't going to be shot again," Patterson said Saturday at a news conference.
She said T.J., a bright young man, suffered multiple wounds, including a fatal shot to his head. No one answered the door at the family's home Saturday.
"This is by far one of the worst tragedies that I have had to personally experience," Patterson said. "It happened basically because kids were out doing what they would normally do on Halloween."
Patrick has been charged with murder, three counts of assault and battery with intent to kill, and one count of assault with intent to kill.
Police said they also charged a 19-year-old in his home, Ericka Patrice Pee, with obstruction of justice when she was caught trying to run away after the shooting with $7,500 in cash. Patterson did not give an explanation for the money.
Pee's 2-year-old daughter was inside during the shooting and is now being cared for by family members.
Patterson said Patrick had multiple drug convictions but police do not believe he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol during the shooting. Authorities did not know if Patrick or Pee had attorneys. Both are being held without bond.
A man who identified himself as Patrick's brother but declined to give his name said in a call to The Associated Press that he believed Patrick was suffering from post-traumatic stress after a break-in last December. The man's account matched the information police provided.
"We want to let his family know that this is a total tragic accident," he said. "He was trying to protect his family."
Patrick's home is off a busy, two-lane road in Sumter, a city of about 40,000 people. On Saturday, shattered glass still covered the front stoop and about 20 bullet holes peppered the front door and a front-window casement. A firefighter used a hose to wash bloodstains away.
The shooting shocked residents of a neighborhood where most people know each other well.
"I just hate it that that little kid got killed. It used to be the quietest place. I knew everybody and everybody knew me," said Vivian Johnson, 81, who lives two doors from Patrick and Pee but said she did not know them.
County Councilman Charles Edens said he lives just a few blocks away and passed the crime scene on his way back from trick-or-treating with his 13-year-old daughter, who was upset by the news.
"It's going to put a dampening on Halloween," Eden said. "I would think twice about going to a door that we don't know who lives behind."
SUMTER, S.C. – An ex-convict who thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door, police said Saturday.
Quentin Patrick, 22, is accused of killing 12-year-old T.J. Darrisaw on Friday night. T.J.'s 9-year-old brother, Ahmadre Darrisaw, and their father, Freddie Grinnell, were injured but were released after being treated at a hospital.
The family attended a Halloween celebration in downtown Sumter, 45 miles east of Columbia, then stopped at Patrick's house because the porch light was on, police said. Another sibling was with them, but wasn't hurt.
Police said at least two of the boys were wearing ghoulish masks when they knocked on the door. The boys' mother and a toddler stayed in the car nearby.
Patrick emptied his AK-47, shooting at least 29 times through his front door, walls and windows after hearing the knock, Police Chief Patty Patterson said.
He told police he had been robbed and shot in the past year.
"He wasn't going to be robbed again, and he wasn't going to be shot again," Patterson said Saturday at a news conference.
She said T.J., a bright young man, suffered multiple wounds, including a fatal shot to his head. No one answered the door at the family's home Saturday.
"This is by far one of the worst tragedies that I have had to personally experience," Patterson said. "It happened basically because kids were out doing what they would normally do on Halloween."
Patrick has been charged with murder, three counts of assault and battery with intent to kill, and one count of assault with intent to kill.
Police said they also charged a 19-year-old in his home, Ericka Patrice Pee, with obstruction of justice when she was caught trying to run away after the shooting with $7,500 in cash. Patterson did not give an explanation for the money.
Pee's 2-year-old daughter was inside during the shooting and is now being cared for by family members.
Patterson said Patrick had multiple drug convictions but police do not believe he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol during the shooting. Authorities did not know if Patrick or Pee had attorneys. Both are being held without bond.
A man who identified himself as Patrick's brother but declined to give his name said in a call to The Associated Press that he believed Patrick was suffering from post-traumatic stress after a break-in last December. The man's account matched the information police provided.
"We want to let his family know that this is a total tragic accident," he said. "He was trying to protect his family."
Patrick's home is off a busy, two-lane road in Sumter, a city of about 40,000 people. On Saturday, shattered glass still covered the front stoop and about 20 bullet holes peppered the front door and a front-window casement. A firefighter used a hose to wash bloodstains away.
The shooting shocked residents of a neighborhood where most people know each other well.
"I just hate it that that little kid got killed. It used to be the quietest place. I knew everybody and everybody knew me," said Vivian Johnson, 81, who lives two doors from Patrick and Pee but said she did not know them.
County Councilman Charles Edens said he lives just a few blocks away and passed the crime scene on his way back from trick-or-treating with his 13-year-old daughter, who was upset by the news.
"It's going to put a dampening on Halloween," Eden said. "I would think twice about going to a door that we don't know who lives behind."
Thank God people are able to have those AK-47's they need to protect themselves and their families! Just think of what might have happened to this guy and the people in his home had he not had the firepower he needed to defend himself. It could have been a real tragedy! :rolleyes:
an ex-convict, with an ak-47. I was right in my previous post. most likely dealing drugs. hopefully one of his previous convictions was a felony so he'll be looking at life in federal prison before the murder trial even starts.
I'm actually writing an essay on why handguns shouldn't be banned. Quick, someone give me at least three reasons why they shouldn't. I'm serious, not being sarcastic.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So if we are to believe that some people are just psychos and they would kill regardless of whether they had a gun or not, why are knife related murders for example not as prevalent as gun related murders in the USA? Sure a gun is fairly easy to come by in the US (not quite so much here in the UK), but pretty much anyone in America could find a deadly knife in their kitchen. In fact the number of knife related murders here in the UK compared to gun related murders is 3-1, indicating that the weapon of choice can indeed be correlated to availability.
I think it's also imporatant to look at the fact that killing someone with a gun is far more impersonal than killing someone with a knife - I would imagine shooting someone from a distance whose face you can't see, would be much easier than plunging a knife into someone's body while you see the look of terror on their face.
Well most of the illegal firearms, as stated before, started out legal.. and then had their serial numbers scraped off and sold illegally. Another place they are coming from, although smaller, is from the people that are smuggling illegal drugs into our country. There is no store that sells cocaine and has you register it... yet it is all over the streets. Guns are not as profitable to these druglords, because you can still buy them legally in gun stores... but if you severely limit the accessibility of guns, then all of a sudden they become a huge new cash cow to these guys. It's a question of what is better... and it's hard to answer.
Plus, most of these people that already own illegal guns aren't going to turn them in if a severe gun control mandate is enforced. They're already out in the streets and will continue to stay that way.. no matter how hard the government tries. Our country is huge and has many different nationalities and viewpoints.. it's extremely hard to police and make everything perfect.
I'm not talking about severely limiting access. I'm talking about blocking access for people with criminal records or mental health problems. I'm talking about thorough checks for everyone, in every state.
Yes, I know most people with illegal guns are not going to turn them in. So what? Hey, murderers and drug dealers and sex offenders usually don't turn themselves in either. Let's just accept that people kill, sell drugs and rape. No need to try to do anything about it. I really don't get this mentality.
"It's extremely hard to police and make everything perfect."
Who said anything about perfection? That's the laziest atttitude I've ever seen. We won't see result right away, even if we see some result, even if we can save a few children, fuck it, it's not perfection. Crime won't magically disappear. We might as well leave it like it is.
That's basically what you are saying. You keep on looking for excuses not to do something about it.
America will be burying its children for a long time.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
That made me sick to my stomach.
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I hate to say it, but maybe everyone needs to have a kid die in his/her arms so they can really understand the effect of guns. :(
I think your problem is that you add too much of a realistic perspective to this conversation and people don't want that! :rolleyes:
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Audit: $6B Spent on Private Security Companies in Iraq
A new government audit has found at least $6 billion in US taxpayer money has gone to private military and security companies operating in Iraq. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction says that’s about 12 percent of the $50 billion in Iraq reconstruction money that has mostly flowed to American corporations. A recent internal report found the US has contracted at least 310 private security companies in Iraq. The most notorious of the companies, Blackwater Worldwide, has yet to face any charges for the September 2007 massacre of seventeen Iraqis in Baghdad’s Nissour Square.
It's no wonder they can test and fire a weapon like that at the Blackwater compound. They've made hunderds of millions of dollars they can afford weapons like this.
Our new private military Blackwater USA.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/ap_on_re_us/trick_or_treat_killing
SUMTER, S.C. – An ex-convict who thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door, police said Saturday.
Quentin Patrick, 22, is accused of killing 12-year-old T.J. Darrisaw on Friday night. T.J.'s 9-year-old brother, Ahmadre Darrisaw, and their father, Freddie Grinnell, were injured but were released after being treated at a hospital.
The family attended a Halloween celebration in downtown Sumter, 45 miles east of Columbia, then stopped at Patrick's house because the porch light was on, police said. Another sibling was with them, but wasn't hurt.
Police said at least two of the boys were wearing ghoulish masks when they knocked on the door. The boys' mother and a toddler stayed in the car nearby.
Patrick emptied his AK-47, shooting at least 29 times through his front door, walls and windows after hearing the knock, Police Chief Patty Patterson said.
He told police he had been robbed and shot in the past year.
"He wasn't going to be robbed again, and he wasn't going to be shot again," Patterson said Saturday at a news conference.
She said T.J., a bright young man, suffered multiple wounds, including a fatal shot to his head. No one answered the door at the family's home Saturday.
"This is by far one of the worst tragedies that I have had to personally experience," Patterson said. "It happened basically because kids were out doing what they would normally do on Halloween."
Patrick has been charged with murder, three counts of assault and battery with intent to kill, and one count of assault with intent to kill.
Police said they also charged a 19-year-old in his home, Ericka Patrice Pee, with obstruction of justice when she was caught trying to run away after the shooting with $7,500 in cash. Patterson did not give an explanation for the money.
Pee's 2-year-old daughter was inside during the shooting and is now being cared for by family members.
Patterson said Patrick had multiple drug convictions but police do not believe he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol during the shooting. Authorities did not know if Patrick or Pee had attorneys. Both are being held without bond.
A man who identified himself as Patrick's brother but declined to give his name said in a call to The Associated Press that he believed Patrick was suffering from post-traumatic stress after a break-in last December. The man's account matched the information police provided.
"We want to let his family know that this is a total tragic accident," he said. "He was trying to protect his family."
Patrick's home is off a busy, two-lane road in Sumter, a city of about 40,000 people. On Saturday, shattered glass still covered the front stoop and about 20 bullet holes peppered the front door and a front-window casement. A firefighter used a hose to wash bloodstains away.
The shooting shocked residents of a neighborhood where most people know each other well.
"I just hate it that that little kid got killed. It used to be the quietest place. I knew everybody and everybody knew me," said Vivian Johnson, 81, who lives two doors from Patrick and Pee but said she did not know them.
County Councilman Charles Edens said he lives just a few blocks away and passed the crime scene on his way back from trick-or-treating with his 13-year-old daughter, who was upset by the news.
"It's going to put a dampening on Halloween," Eden said. "I would think twice about going to a door that we don't know who lives behind."
Thank God people are able to have those AK-47's they need to protect themselves and their families! Just think of what might have happened to this guy and the people in his home had he not had the firepower he needed to defend himself. It could have been a real tragedy! :rolleyes:
That does not make anysense. even if he was robbed before.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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So if we are to believe that some people are just psychos and they would kill regardless of whether they had a gun or not, why are knife related murders for example not as prevalent as gun related murders in the USA? Sure a gun is fairly easy to come by in the US (not quite so much here in the UK), but pretty much anyone in America could find a deadly knife in their kitchen. In fact the number of knife related murders here in the UK compared to gun related murders is 3-1, indicating that the weapon of choice can indeed be correlated to availability.
I think it's also imporatant to look at the fact that killing someone with a gun is far more impersonal than killing someone with a knife - I would imagine shooting someone from a distance whose face you can't see, would be much easier than plunging a knife into someone's body while you see the look of terror on their face.
I'm not talking about severely limiting access. I'm talking about blocking access for people with criminal records or mental health problems. I'm talking about thorough checks for everyone, in every state.
Yes, I know most people with illegal guns are not going to turn them in. So what? Hey, murderers and drug dealers and sex offenders usually don't turn themselves in either. Let's just accept that people kill, sell drugs and rape. No need to try to do anything about it. I really don't get this mentality.
"It's extremely hard to police and make everything perfect."
Who said anything about perfection? That's the laziest atttitude I've ever seen. We won't see result right away, even if we see some result, even if we can save a few children, fuck it, it's not perfection. Crime won't magically disappear. We might as well leave it like it is.
That's basically what you are saying. You keep on looking for excuses not to do something about it.
America will be burying its children for a long time.
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