Live Earth and Hypocisy

binauralsounds · July 2007

Scream for change for mother Earth, but lets fuck it up some more by really fuckin polluting it for a day. It's okay if we do it, cause We are Al Gore and Superstars. Fuck the common man. They'll get over it...

"Live Earth say that they will recycle much of the waste generated. Fine talk, but in fact some of the concert venues are struggling to keep up with their commitments.

A spokesman for Wembley says they only have the capacity to recycle around a third of waste produced - the rest will go into landfill sites.

Travel forms the vast majority of the 'carbon footprint' talked of by ecological campaigners - contributing up to 90 per cent of the environmental 'cost'.

Collins says: "It is patently absurd to claim that travel of this nature doesn't have an impact. Each person attending the event will have to make a return journey to the venue, be it by air, rail, bus or car. This burns fossil fuel - precisely what we are trying to reduce.

"There is also the environmental cost of these artists flying around the world - that is absolutely huge."

Indeed, an audit of the lifestyles of the A-list performers appearing at Live Earth, reveals that they are among the worst individual polluters in the world, as their world tours and private jets billow thousands of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. One hour in a Gulfstream jet burns as much fuel as driving a family car for a year.

The Daily Mail has found that five of the top performing acts together have an annual output of almost 2,000 carbon tonnes. Madonna alone has an annual carbon footprint of 1,018 tonnes, according to John Buckley.

Remember, the average Briton produces just ten tonnes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=466775&in_page_id=1879

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

So really what you are saying is everyone should drive to it instead of fly.

Yes, I couldn't agree more.

To clean shit from your shoes sometimes you gotta smell it a little.

Medicated-Genius · July 2007

binauralsounds wrote:

Scream for change for mother Earth, but lets fuck it up some more by really fuckin polluting it for a day. It's okay if we do it, cause We are Al Gore and Superstars. Fuck the common man. They'll get over it...

"Live Earth say that they will recycle much of the waste generated. Fine talk, but in fact some of the concert venues are struggling to keep up with their commitments.

A spokesman for Wembley says they only have the capacity to recycle around a third of waste produced - the rest will go into landfill sites.

Travel forms the vast majority of the 'carbon footprint' talked of by ecological campaigners - contributing up to 90 per cent of the environmental 'cost'.

Collins says: "It is patently absurd to claim that travel of this nature doesn't have an impact. Each person attending the event will have to make a return journey to the venue, be it by air, rail, bus or car. This burns fossil fuel - precisely what we are trying to reduce.

"There is also the environmental cost of these artists flying around the world - that is absolutely huge."

Indeed, an audit of the lifestyles of the A-list performers appearing at Live Earth, reveals that they are among the worst individual polluters in the world, as their world tours and private jets billow thousands of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. One hour in a Gulfstream jet burns as much fuel as driving a family car for a year.

The Daily Mail has found that five of the top performing acts together have an annual output of almost 2,000 carbon tonnes. Madonna alone has an annual carbon footprint of 1,018 tonnes, according to John Buckley.

Remember, the average Briton produces just ten tonnes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=466775&in_page_id=1879

I was thinking about this the other day. As much as I love a good concert, and am rather environmentally unfriendly in that I attend as many as I can afford......... I honestly can't see the point of this thing. I mean, just the electricity needed to power these concerts up would be huge...... not to mention the stuff stated in the article about the waste clean up after and the environmental impact of god knows how many thousands of people getting to these shows. The chemicals in the porta-potties, I mean wow! And for what? To raise awareness? Is that it? What other purpose for these shows than that? I'd think the majority of people around the world with half a brain already know about climate change, those that believe it, those that don't, and no amount of singing tunes is gonna suddenly change peoples minds about it.

dave grolsch · July 2007

Medicated-Genius wrote:

I was thinking about this the other day. As much as I love a good concert, and am rather environmentally unfriendly in that I attend as many as I can afford......... I honestly can't see the point of this thing. I mean, just the electricity needed to power these concerts up would be huge...... not to mention the stuff stated in the article about the waste clean up after and the environmental impact of god knows how many thousands of people getting to these shows. The chemicals in the porta-potties, I mean wow! And for what? To raise awareness? Is that it? What other purpose for these shows than that? I'd think the majority of people around the world with half a brain already know about climate change, those that believe it, those that don't, and no amount of singing tunes is gonna suddenly change peoples minds about it.

what happens about the surge in royalty payments due to the exposure?

Bleys · July 2007

Yeah, those are all fine arguments... except that all of these acts tour anyway.

Worse, they tour separately. So instead of one big concert in 10 cities, you'd have 150 concerts. Likely, that would produce more pollution in the long term.

If that's the case, and it very likely is, why not at least get them together at a concert that attempts to 1. raise awareness about climate change and environmental consciousness and 2. at least makes the attempt to minimize the environmental impact of the concert itself.

If just 1% of the 2 billion people watching decide to change some lightbulbs, carpool, use public transport, buy locally grown food, etc. as a result of the climate change documentaries they are showing between sets, then that would likely have a net impact greater than the harm the concerts themselves did.

And if some of those bands, after participating, decide to, like Pearl Jam, buy credits and protect rain forest land and give to charities, etc. to offset the pollution created by their tours... then that can only be a good thing, right?

The argument that the concerts do more harm than good is an easy way to make, but I don't think it is necessarily an accurate one.

kenny olav · July 2007

Blackened is the end
Winter it will send
Throwing all you see
Into obscurity

Death of mother earth
Never a rebirth
Evolutions end
Never will it mend

Never

Fire
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Blackened is the end
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Color our world blackened

Blistering of earth
Terminate its worth
Deadly nicotine
Kills what might have been

Callous frigid chill
Nothing left to kill
Never seen before
Breathing nevermore

Never

Fire
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Blackened is the end
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Color our world blackened

Blackened

Opposition... contradiction... premonition... compromise
Agitation... violation... mutilation... planet dies
Darkest color
Blistered earth
True death of life

Termination... expiration... cancellation... human race
Expectation... liberation... population... lay to waste
See our mother
Put to death
See our mother die

Smouldering decay
Take her breath away
Millions of our years
In minutes disappears

Darkening in vain
Decadence remains
All is said and done
Never is the sun

Never

Fire
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Blackened is the end
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Fire
Is the outcome of hypocrisy
Darkest potency
In the exit of humanity
Color our world blackened

Blackened

OutOfBreath · July 2007

Well, now that they ended poverty last year, it's the environment's this time... :rolleyes: Next year will be war, I've heard.

Maybe they mean well, but honestly, I don't think I can stomach the whole thing. Words are easy. If you really want to combat climate change, I have some suggestions that will do a lot more good than a hyped string of concerts. If this should have any meaning at all, it would be gigs played after the artists themselves had done some mending on that front, and the whole arrangement strived to be really "carbon-neutral". This tastes too much of "aren't-we-great-that-care-now-throw-your-hands-up" while noone changes anything.

But, you know...

Peace
Dan

kenny olav · July 2007

The previous song was Metallica's Blackened, but which Metallica will be playing?

Gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire

Oh!

Turn on, I see red
Adrenaline crash and crack my head
Nitro junkie, paint me dead
And I see red

One hundred plus through black and white
War horse
War head
Fuck em, man
White knuckle tight
Through black and white

Oh, on I burn
Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard
Loose and clean

Oh, and on I burn
Turning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline

So gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire

Oh!

Turn on beyond the bone
Swallow future, spit out hope
Burn your face upon the chrome

Take the corner, join the crash
Headlights, headlines
Another junkie lives too fast

Yeah
Lives way too fast, fast, fast, fast, fast

Oh, on I burn
Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard, loose and clean

Oh, and on I burn
Turning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline

So gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire ooh, yeaheh!

White knuckle tight!

Oh
Gimme fuel
Gimme fire
My desire

Oh, on I burn
Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard, loose and clean

On I burn
Turning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline

Gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire

Oh!

On I burn!

binauralsounds · July 2007

OutOfBreath wrote:

Well, now that they ended poverty last year, it's the environment's this time... :rolleyes: Next year will be war, I've heard.

Maybe they mean well, but honestly, I don't think I can stomach the whole thing. Words are easy. If you really want to combat climate change, I have some suggestions that will do a lot more good than a hyped string of concerts. If this should have any meaning at all, it would be gigs played after the artists themselves had done some mending on that front, and the whole arrangement strived to be really "carbon-neutral". This tastes too much of "aren't-we-great-that-care-now-throw-your-hands-up" while noone changes anything.

But, you know...

Peace
Dan

SACTLY

WMA · July 2007

Bleys wrote:

Yeah, those are all fine arguments... except that all of these acts tour anyway.

Worse, they tour separately. So instead of one big concert in 10 cities, you'd have 150 concerts. Likely, that would produce more pollution in the long term.

If that's the case, and it very likely is, why not at least get them together at a concert that attempts to 1. raise awareness about climate change and environmental consciousness and 2. at least makes the attempt to minimize the environmental impact of the concert itself.

If just 1% of the 2 billion people watching decide to change some lightbulbs, carpool, use public transport, buy locally grown food, etc. as a result of the climate change documentaries they are showing between sets, then that would likely have a net impact greater than the harm the concerts themselves did.

And if some of those bands, after participating, decide to, like Pearl Jam, buy credits and protect rain forest land and give to charities, etc. to offset the pollution created by their tours... then that can only be a good thing, right?

The argument that the concerts do more harm than good is an easy way to make, but I don't think it is necessarily an accurate one.

True enough.

Most people love music. What better way to spread the word to the Idol crowd than through something they may watch on TV?

Most of the people who try to portray the concert as harmful are the same people who claim no harm comes from emissions anyway, and would be trying to discredit the concert in any way possible even if none of the artists did fly to their destinations.

Jeanwah · July 2007

WMA wrote:

Most people love music. What better way to spread the word to the Idol crowd than through something they may watch on TV?

Most of the people who try to portray the concert as harmful are the same people who claim no harm comes from emissions anyway, and would be trying to discredit the concert in any way possible even if none of the artists did fly to their destinations.

I agree. There are a lot of people out there who insist on concentrating on the problem, rather than the solution, and it's usually the people who refuse to do anything about the environment anyway in the first place.

For those who believe that these concerts are doing more harm than good, I ask you -- And what do you propose? What are your solutions to global warming and are you out there increasing awareness and initiating change? How about quit the bitching and be part of the solution, rather than the problem.

Restless Soul · July 2007

they should have had artists play in their own countries instead - that would have been a message - instead all they've done is put out confusing messages.

votegirl · July 2007

Live Aid was instrumental to bringing awareness to problems in Africa. I remember being in the third grade and seeing Live Aid. In my simplistic third grade mind, I didn't understand the gravity of poverty in Africa, I just felt sorry for the sick, malnourished and dying children flashed upon the screen during the six o'clock news.

A scary example of corporate marketing philanthrophy through song is "We are the World". Who is the "world"- America, American corporations? Remember who sponsored that year...

"Pepsi- the Choice of the new generation"

The lyrics to We are the World were changed to reflect the acquisition of the sponsorship:

Original:
"There's a chance we're taking,
We're saving our own lives..."

New Version:
"There's a choice we're making,
We're saving our own lives...."

So I have a great deal of suspision of these mega charity events..

I do believe artists should use their work for social causes. (I am a Pearl Jam fan!) But to truly aid a cause, artists must focus on the causes that they deem worthy, and individually contribute to them. The charity comes first, in my view- fanfare and self -promotion should not come into play at all. The artists that promote causes -and not themselves are the artists that I respect.

binauralsounds · July 2007

Jeanwah wrote:

For those who believe that these concerts are doing more harm than good, I ask you -- And what do you propose? What are your solutions to global warming and are you out there increasing awareness and initiating change? How about quit the bitching and be part of the solution, rather than the problem.

Thanks Al!

Jeanwah · July 2007

votegirl wrote:

I do believe artists should use their work for social causes. (I am a Pearl Jam fan!) But to truly aid a cause, artists must focus on the causes that they deem worthy, and individually contribute to them. The charity comes first, in my view- fanfare and self -promotion should not come into play at all. The artists that promote causes -and not themselves are the artists that I respect.

I agree! I don't know the details, but I would like to see if these acts that are playing are doing it for no cost.

Jeanwah · July 2007

Restless Soul wrote:

they should have had artists play in their own countries instead - that would have been a message - instead all they've done is put out confusing messages.

You're right. It's the least they could have done rather than the international flights.

RolandTD20Kdrummer · July 2007

Abolish all live entertainment. We can just imagine it from now on to save the environment.

Who's with me?

Jeanwah · July 2007

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Abolish all live entertainment. We can just imagine it from now on to save the environment.

Who's with me?

You do realize you're talking about PJ too, don't you? I don't want to abolish that.

Coming back to life · July 2007

"On this day, July the 7th, my message to you, London, is use the bus or the tube!"

mdigenakis · July 2007

PJ should of played Live Earth. Practice what you preach.

callen · July 2007

people need to get the word out...and this is one way to do it.....for every human that starts to get it....makes it worth while and will pay off......

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