Live Earth and Hypocisy

onelongsong

jrb112476 wrote:

so, how do you propose we travel to different countries?? sailboat??

i think the plot here is not to travel so much.

Ms. Haiku

onelongsong wrote:

everyone still left with their purchaces in plastic bags made from oil.

For those that do not bring their own bags to the grocery store, are you willing to try it for a week? If you are ok with it, are you willing to try for longer than a week?

Here's an example of me changing my lifestyle. For the environment, and out of compassion to other beings, I became vegetarian again a week ago. Who knows how long it will last, but I'm optimistic. It's not that hard for me as I've done it before, but that was 10 years ago. Also, I'm more committed to eating organically even though I've been committed for over 10 years. I plan to cook more so that I know I'm eating organic food. Baking is easy for me, cooking is not as easy. I have all of the ingredients for a tofu recipe. I've never successfully cooked tofu before, but I guess it's time to start if I want to walk the walk, eh?

even flow?

onelongsong wrote:

i'm waiting to hear how private interest groups raising a bunch of money will curb emissions. on sunday there was just as many cars on the road. walmart was just as packed as any other sunday and everyone still left with their purchaces in plastic bags made from oil. they still bought products made from oil.
while most bands earn at least $1 million a year; wouldn't it have been better for the artists to donate to the cause and save the extra emissions generated by the concerts? oh; wait; now we're back to the rich giving giving to charity thread.

Not to beat up on the rich or anything.....but when was the last time you saw any star showing their "crib" and they were proud to be using wind or solar, etc. Any star? Throwing money at problems is nice. But showing me three of the stars from that show that are trying to make a difference on their own, via their mansions or property would be a start.

When this thing was first starting to get headlines, my first question was "is everybody going to be doing an accoustic set?".

onelongsong

Ms. Haiku wrote:

For those that do not bring their own bags to the grocery store, are you willing to try it for a week? If you are ok with it, are you willing to try for longer than a week?

Here's an example of me changing my lifestyle. For the environment, and out of compassion to other beings, I became vegetarian again a week ago. Who knows how long it will last, but I'm optimistic. It's not that hard for me as I've done it before, but that was 10 years ago. Also, I'm more committed to eating organically even though I've been committed for over 10 years. I plan to cook more so that I know I'm eating organic food. Baking is easy for me, cooking is not as easy. I have all of the ingredients for a tofu recipe. I've never successfully cooked tofu before, but I guess it's time to start if I want to walk the walk, eh?

thank you for asking. i've been 100% solar for years now. i raise my animals naturally and i don't feed grains which require tractors to grow and trucks to distribute. thus the reason becoming a veggie increases your carbon footprint. the amount of diesel burned cultivating; planting; spraying; harvesting; and distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate. add in the manufacturing of the chemicals sprayed on the veggies and it's distribution and you've increased your footprint quite a bit.
i've been using solar energy since it became available at an affordable price in the late 1970's. until now; i've sold solar power back to the power company. now i'm no where near the grid.
as for shopping bags; you can buy shopping bags made from hemp that work great. they don't break spilling your groceries on the ground. i also shop only once a month. it's easy once you get used to it.

onelongsong

even flow? wrote:

Not to beat up on the rich or anything.....but when was the last time you saw any star showing their "crib" and they were proud to be using wind or solar, etc. Any star? Throwing money at problems is nice. But showing me three of the stars from that show that are trying to make a difference on their own, via their mansions or property would be a start.

When this thing was first starting to get headlines, my first question was "is everybody going to be doing an accoustic set?".

and there you have it. if the "cause" was really improving the enviornment; why don't the stars practice what they preach? they'll tell you what you should do but they're in a position to SHOW you. i think the whole thing was profit motivated.

onelongsong

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Its true that the concerts may cause some pollution, but if they raise awareness that helps the planet in the future, then its all good.

For those who say that the event won't do anything to raise awareness, think about how much a certain guitar player has done for the CCFA. People here flock like sheep to his cause.

Just because you don't like the BEPs or KT Tunstall, many others do, and if their performances help raise awareness, we all win.

are you taking into consideration the trucks that had to move the equipment? people don't see all the sources.

Ms. Haiku

onelongsong wrote:

thank you for asking. i've been 100% solar for years now. i raise my animals naturally and i don't feed grains which require tractors to grow and trucks to distribute. thus the reason becoming a veggie increases your carbon footprint. the amount of diesel burned cultivating; planting; spraying; harvesting; and distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate. add in the manufacturing of the chemicals sprayed on the veggies and it's distribution and you've increased your footprint quite a bit.
i've been using solar energy since it became available at an affordable price in the late 1970's. until now; i've sold solar power back to the power company. now i'm no where near the grid.
as for shopping bags; you can buy shopping bags made from hemp that work great. they don't break spilling your groceries on the ground. i also shop only once a month. it's easy once you get used to it.

I've never heard that becoming a vegetarian increase the carbon footprint. Especially since the biggest consumers of chemical laden vegetables are animals bred for slaughter i.e., soy, corn. Also, those chemicals on vegetables that we vegetarians eat are the same ones animals eat, and non-vegetarians eat. Those of us that don't chose organic products, that is.

distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate

I've never heard this. I guess where farm *operations* are located, everyone in the county stops by with knife and fork in hand and digs in? Animal parts are carted all over the country. What's the farthest location where your animal products are sold?

We are definitely not on the same page. That's great you use solar power, but I can not fathom how anyone would think vegetarianism is worse for the planet than eating meat. Is that what you wrote, or did I misunderstand you?

Here's some information on how cows affect the environment http://www.insidedairyproduction.com/wst_page2.html

I'm not a saint, you know, I still eat dairy products. I just don't understand what you wrote.

JOEJOEJOE

onelongsong wrote:

are you taking into consideration the trucks that had to move the equipment? people don't see all the sources.

Of course I know it took a vast amount of resources to stage the event, but hopefully, one day of waste is offset by the future actions of those motivated by the event.

JOEJOEJOE

onelongsong wrote:

and there you have it. if the "cause" was really improving the enviornment; why don't the stars practice what they preach? they'll tell you what you should do but they're in a position to SHOW you. i think the whole thing was profit motivated.

Who cares what the "stars" do?.......as long as their performances drew viewers who will take note of the event's message, the stars' everyday actions don't really matter all that much.

onelongsong

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Who cares what the "stars" do?.......as long as their performances drew viewers who will take note of the event's message, the stars' everyday actions don't really matter all that much.

walmart is as packed today as any other day. it had no effect. and who did it reach? message boards all over the net have been discussing global warming for years. anyone that didn't know the message before the concert must live in a shell and thus not produce emissions.

JOEJOEJOE

onelongsong wrote:

walmart is as packed today as any other day. it had no effect. and who did it reach? message boards all over the net have been discussing global warming for years. anyone that didn't know the message before the concert must live in a shell and thus not produce emissions.

I am not sure if your cursory survey of the local walmart can really summize the event's effect.

The masses are never as well-informed as you assume.

onelongsong

Ms. Haiku wrote:

I've never heard that becoming a vegetarian increase the carbon footprint. Especially since the biggest consumers of chemical laden vegetables are animals bred for slaughter i.e., soy, corn. Also, those chemicals on vegetables that we vegetarians eat are the same ones animals eat, and non-vegetarians eat. Those of us that don't chose organic products, that is.

distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate

I've never heard this. I guess where farm *operations* are located, everyone in the county stops by with knife and fork in hand and digs in? Animal parts are carted all over the country. What's the farthest location where your animal products are sold?

We are definitely not on the same page. That's great you use solar power, but I can not fathom how anyone would think vegetarianism is worse for the planet than eating meat. Is that what you wrote, or did I misunderstand you?

Here's some information on how cows affect the environment http://www.insidedairyproduction.com/wst_page2.html

I'm not a saint, you know, I still eat dairy products. I just don't understand what you wrote.

my meat products are sold nationwide; but their also raised naturally offsetting the carbon emissions. my animals eat only grass and in return they fertilize the soil. however; if i decided to grow veggies; i would have to cultivate the land; and prepare it for planting. this takes 3 passes accross the field with 3 different impliments. then there's planting; which is another pass accross the field. then there's spraying for weeds and bugs; then there's harvesting. so to grow a crop of say carrots; i must pass over that field 7 times with a diesel burning tractor. compared to no passes raising meat on wild grasses.
if you're reading veggie sites; they're not going to tell you that. they are one sided just as the meat industry is one sided in it's publications. corn growers will tell you that corn is the answer to the energy problem. but they won't tell you how much diesel they have to burn to produce an acre of corn. they too must make 7 passes.
i hope that clears it up. if not; let me know and i'll give you other examples.

OutOfBreath

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

I am not sure if your cursory survey of the local walmart can really summize the event's effect.

The masses are never as well-informed as you assume.

Nor are they as ignorant as others often assume. You are aware, arent you?

My problem with the thing is that it is busting down open doors. Had this been like ten years ago, then maybe. But I dont know about your papers and news over there, but I can guarantee that noone here paying the slightest attention to anything remotely like news are unaware of the problem.

So this carnival of charity, to me, looks more like a stage for people to show off their goodness for supporting a good cause, and for some heads of state to look cool and have a pr-boost by shaking hands with Bono (or whoever) and looking concerned.

But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, now that it's over and done with.

Peace
Dan

onelongsong

OutOfBreath wrote:

Nor are they as ignorant as others often assume. You are aware, arent you?

My problem with the thing is that it is busting down open doors. Had this been like ten years ago, then maybe. But I dont know about your papers and news over there, but I can guarantee that noone here paying the slightest attention to anything remotely like news are unaware of the problem.

So this carnival of charity, to me, looks more like a stage for people to show off their goodness for supporting a good cause, and for some heads of state to look cool and have a pr-boost by shaking hands with Bono (or whoever) and looking concerned.

But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, now that it's over and done with.

Peace
Dan

thank you. i did the same PR thing with my band and i'm man enough to admitt it was all self promotion. i don't even remember the causes. it sold tickets and even though it was for charity; I GOT PAID. i've never worked for free.

JOEJOEJOE

OutOfBreath wrote:

Nor are they as ignorant as others often assume. You are aware, arent you?

My problem with the thing is that it is busting down open doors. Had this been like ten years ago, then maybe. But I dont know about your papers and news over there, but I can guarantee that noone here paying the slightest attention to anything remotely like news are unaware of the problem.

So this carnival of charity, to me, looks more like a stage for people to show off their goodness for supporting a good cause, and for some heads of state to look cool and have a pr-boost by shaking hands with Bono (or whoever) and looking concerned.

But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, now that it's over and done with.

Peace
Dan

Over here, more then 1/2 of voters selected George Bush for a second term. The voters in California recalled the governor so that they could elect Arnold Schwartznegger, who had no prior political experience.

I am proud of my country (but not the current "management"), however, there are millions of uninformed people who pay zero attention to the environment!

Sadly enough, people here are as ignorant as assumed!

Peace to you as well!

lucylespian

onelongsong wrote:

my meat products are sold nationwide; but their also raised naturally offsetting the carbon emissions. my animals eat only grass and in return they fertilize the soil. however; if i decided to grow veggies; i would have to cultivate the land; and prepare it for planting. this takes 3 passes accross the field with 3 different impliments. then there's planting; which is another pass accross the field. then there's spraying for weeds and bugs; then there's harvesting. so to grow a crop of say carrots; i must pass over that field 7 times with a diesel burning tractor. compared to no passes raising meat on wild grasses.
if you're reading veggie sites; they're not going to tell you that. they are one sided just as the meat industry is one sided in it's publications. corn growers will tell you that corn is the answer to the energy problem. but they won't tell you how much diesel they have to burn to produce an acre of corn. they too must make 7 passes.
i hope that clears it up. if not; let me know and i'll give you other examples.

Without promoting vegetarinaism, there is such a thing as low-till farming using seed drills and rod-weeders and such. Preserved sub-soil moisture as well, which is good. MInd you, I'm a meat-a-tarian !!

pjalive21

Live Earth=Hypocrisy

i couldnt agree more, i laughed at this thing and to see people swallow it up like its a worthy cause is even more laughable

i wonder how many private jets left this thing after it was over?

onelongsong

lucylespian wrote:

Without promoting vegetarinaism, there is such a thing as low-till farming using seed drills and rod-weeders and such. Preserved sub-soil moisture as well, which is good. MInd you, I'm a meat-a-tarian !!

i was the biggest promoter of no-till in the 70's. it doesn't work for vegetables. veggies would get choked out and the surrounding plants would rob the veggies of nutrients.