Live Earth and Hypocisy
binauralsounds
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Scream for change for mother Earth, but lets fuck it up some more by really fuckin polluting it for a day. It's okay if we do it, cause We are Al Gore and Superstars. Fuck the common man. They'll get over it...
"Live Earth say that they will recycle much of the waste generated. Fine talk, but in fact some of the concert venues are struggling to keep up with their commitments.
A spokesman for Wembley says they only have the capacity to recycle around a third of waste produced - the rest will go into landfill sites.
Travel forms the vast majority of the 'carbon footprint' talked of by ecological campaigners - contributing up to 90 per cent of the environmental 'cost'.
Collins says: "It is patently absurd to claim that travel of this nature doesn't have an impact. Each person attending the event will have to make a return journey to the venue, be it by air, rail, bus or car. This burns fossil fuel - precisely what we are trying to reduce.
"There is also the environmental cost of these artists flying around the world - that is absolutely huge."
Indeed, an audit of the lifestyles of the A-list performers appearing at Live Earth, reveals that they are among the worst individual polluters in the world, as their world tours and private jets billow thousands of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. One hour in a Gulfstream jet burns as much fuel as driving a family car for a year.
The Daily Mail has found that five of the top performing acts together have an annual output of almost 2,000 carbon tonnes. Madonna alone has an annual carbon footprint of 1,018 tonnes, according to John Buckley.
Remember, the average Briton produces just ten tonnes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=466775&in_page_id=1879
"Live Earth say that they will recycle much of the waste generated. Fine talk, but in fact some of the concert venues are struggling to keep up with their commitments.
A spokesman for Wembley says they only have the capacity to recycle around a third of waste produced - the rest will go into landfill sites.
Travel forms the vast majority of the 'carbon footprint' talked of by ecological campaigners - contributing up to 90 per cent of the environmental 'cost'.
Collins says: "It is patently absurd to claim that travel of this nature doesn't have an impact. Each person attending the event will have to make a return journey to the venue, be it by air, rail, bus or car. This burns fossil fuel - precisely what we are trying to reduce.
"There is also the environmental cost of these artists flying around the world - that is absolutely huge."
Indeed, an audit of the lifestyles of the A-list performers appearing at Live Earth, reveals that they are among the worst individual polluters in the world, as their world tours and private jets billow thousands of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. One hour in a Gulfstream jet burns as much fuel as driving a family car for a year.
The Daily Mail has found that five of the top performing acts together have an annual output of almost 2,000 carbon tonnes. Madonna alone has an annual carbon footprint of 1,018 tonnes, according to John Buckley.
Remember, the average Briton produces just ten tonnes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=466775&in_page_id=1879
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Yes, I couldn't agree more.
To clean shit from your shoes sometimes you gotta smell it a little.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I was thinking about this the other day. As much as I love a good concert, and am rather environmentally unfriendly in that I attend as many as I can afford......... I honestly can't see the point of this thing. I mean, just the electricity needed to power these concerts up would be huge...... not to mention the stuff stated in the article about the waste clean up after and the environmental impact of god knows how many thousands of people getting to these shows. The chemicals in the porta-potties, I mean wow! And for what? To raise awareness? Is that it? What other purpose for these shows than that? I'd think the majority of people around the world with half a brain already know about climate change, those that believe it, those that don't, and no amount of singing tunes is gonna suddenly change peoples minds about it.
Worse, they tour separately. So instead of one big concert in 10 cities, you'd have 150 concerts. Likely, that would produce more pollution in the long term.
If that's the case, and it very likely is, why not at least get them together at a concert that attempts to 1. raise awareness about climate change and environmental consciousness and 2. at least makes the attempt to minimize the environmental impact of the concert itself.
If just 1% of the 2 billion people watching decide to change some lightbulbs, carpool, use public transport, buy locally grown food, etc. as a result of the climate change documentaries they are showing between sets, then that would likely have a net impact greater than the harm the concerts themselves did.
And if some of those bands, after participating, decide to, like Pearl Jam, buy credits and protect rain forest land and give to charities, etc. to offset the pollution created by their tours... then that can only be a good thing, right?
The argument that the concerts do more harm than good is an easy way to make, but I don't think it is necessarily an accurate one.
Winter it will send
Throwing all you see
Into obscurity
Death of mother earth
Never a rebirth
Evolutions end
Never will it mend
Never
Fire
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Blackened is the end
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Color our world blackened
Blistering of earth
Terminate its worth
Deadly nicotine
Kills what might have been
Callous frigid chill
Nothing left to kill
Never seen before
Breathing nevermore
Never
Fire
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Blackened is the end
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Color our world blackened
Blackened
Opposition... contradiction... premonition... compromise
Agitation... violation... mutilation... planet dies
Darkest color
Blistered earth
True death of life
Termination... expiration... cancellation... human race
Expectation... liberation... population... lay to waste
See our mother
Put to death
See our mother die
Smouldering decay
Take her breath away
Millions of our years
In minutes disappears
Darkening in vain
Decadence remains
All is said and done
Never is the sun
Never
Fire
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Blackened is the end
To begin whipping dance of the dead
Fire
Is the outcome of hypocrisy
Darkest potency
In the exit of humanity
Color our world blackened
Blackened
Maybe they mean well, but honestly, I don't think I can stomach the whole thing. Words are easy. If you really want to combat climate change, I have some suggestions that will do a lot more good than a hyped string of concerts. If this should have any meaning at all, it would be gigs played after the artists themselves had done some mending on that front, and the whole arrangement strived to be really "carbon-neutral". This tastes too much of "aren't-we-great-that-care-now-throw-your-hands-up" while noone changes anything.
But, you know...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire
Oh!
Turn on, I see red
Adrenaline crash and crack my head
Nitro junkie, paint me dead
And I see red
One hundred plus through black and white
War horse
War head
Fuck em, man
White knuckle tight
Through black and white
Oh, on I burn
Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard
Loose and clean
Oh, and on I burn
Turning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline
So gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire
Oh!
Turn on beyond the bone
Swallow future, spit out hope
Burn your face upon the chrome
Take the corner, join the crash
Headlights, headlines
Another junkie lives too fast
Yeah
Lives way too fast, fast, fast, fast, fast
Oh, on I burn
Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard, loose and clean
Oh, and on I burn
Turning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline
So gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire ooh, yeaheh!
White knuckle tight!
Oh
Gimme fuel
Gimme fire
My desire
Oh, on I burn
Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard, loose and clean
On I burn
Turning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline
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Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire
Oh!
On I burn!
SACTLY
True enough.
Most people love music. What better way to spread the word to the Idol crowd than through something they may watch on TV?
Most of the people who try to portray the concert as harmful are the same people who claim no harm comes from emissions anyway, and would be trying to discredit the concert in any way possible even if none of the artists did fly to their destinations.
For those who believe that these concerts are doing more harm than good, I ask you -- And what do you propose? What are your solutions to global warming and are you out there increasing awareness and initiating change? How about quit the bitching and be part of the solution, rather than the problem.
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
A scary example of corporate marketing philanthrophy through song is "We are the World". Who is the "world"- America, American corporations? Remember who sponsored that year...
"Pepsi- the Choice of the new generation"
The lyrics to We are the World were changed to reflect the acquisition of the sponsorship:
Original:
"There's a chance we're taking,
We're saving our own lives..."
New Version:
"There's a choice we're making,
We're saving our own lives...."
So I have a great deal of suspision of these mega charity events..
I do believe artists should use their work for social causes. (I am a Pearl Jam fan!) But to truly aid a cause, artists must focus on the causes that they deem worthy, and individually contribute to them. The charity comes first, in my view- fanfare and self -promotion should not come into play at all. The artists that promote causes -and not themselves are the artists that I respect.
I'm transformed!
Thanks Al!
I agree! I don't know the details, but I would like to see if these acts that are playing are doing it for no cost.
Who's with me?
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-Greg Dulli
That's the problem. All these numpties don't. I reckon my carbon footprint is less than any one musician who's playing live earth, yet while they could retire today with the money they've got, they are telling people who are living on a shoestring to turn the kettle off, turn the tap off, turn the tv off, take 2 hours to go 10 miles on public transport to work when there's no work nearer, etc, etc. I hope they enjoy their numerous flights a year and their end of tour parties, which use up more rubbish than I'm told I'm allowed to put in the bin. I'm proud of PJ for not playing the most plastic gig ever, pun intended.
good point.
-Greg Dulli
Well, I do my bit. I try to live an environmentally friendly life, I try my best to instill that in my children as well. I am far from perfect and could probably do a whole lot more. Not sure if you were referring to me, but i wasn't bitching so much, I was commenting and offering my opinion on the article posted and my thoughts about the whole thing. Raising awareness of issues like this is never a bad thing, I just think it's a little ironic that in supporting and promoting the awareness of this particular cause, it's going to produce a whole lot of the pollution, emissions and waste that they are trying to decrease.
Me too. Glad PJ isn't apart of this most polluted Live concert shit on Earth!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070707/music-live-earth/
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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It's a concert bottom line. I love concerts. I was listening to a little of the Snow Patrol and Linkin Park bit, and I wish I could see it.
I don't know how much waste will be landfilled compared to how much waste that will be given a *second life* as compost, recycled stuff etc, but the concert is big enough that the message in the long run may neutralize some negatives affects. A concert is a more enjoyable protest than a day long march on the Washington Mall. I've been to concerts and protests/marches. They can both inspire, and there are waste management issues for both.
Has anyone actually visited the Live Earth site and reviewed the waste management policies?
Found it! http://www.liveearth.org
With support from the U.S. Green Building Council, creators of the LEED Green Building Rating System, Live Earth will implement new Green Event Guidelines. All Live Earth venues will be designed and constructed by a team of sustainability engineers who will address the environmental and energy management challenges of each concert site, as well as the operations of sponsors, partners and other Live Earth affiliates. Each venue will not only be designed to maintain a minimum environmental impact, but will showcase the latest state-of-the-art energy efficiency, on-site power generation, and sustainable facilities management practices.
Excellent they are using USGBC! It would be interesting to see how the architecture/engineering of the concerts differ than those that don't focus on sustainable practices. Once data is collected after the concerts it would be interesting to see if the promoters/organizers adhered to the marketed principles of the concert, or if they created a hoax.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
And considering that most of the people "opposed" to this concert are all for war, I'd say the concert organizers are far less hypocritical than the average Iraq war supporters.
But I can't blame them. They need to stop things like this concert from getting it's message out. After all, it's electoral poison for their side.
By the way, I'm a hypocrite like many others. I'm just calling like I see it.
For those who say that the event won't do anything to raise awareness, think about how much a certain guitar player has done for the CCFA. People here flock like sheep to his cause.
Just because you don't like the BEPs or KT Tunstall, many others do, and if their performances help raise awareness, we all win.