Its true that the concerts may cause some pollution, but if they raise awareness that helps the planet in the future, then its all good.
For those who say that the event won't do anything to raise awareness, think about how much a certain guitar player has done for the CCFA. People here flock like sheep to his cause.
Just because you don't like the BEPs or KT Tunstall, many others do, and if their performances help raise awareness, we all win.
I agree. And besides, the Foo Fighters rocked the place.
"This town deserves a better class of criminal... and I'm gonna give it to them."
I agree. And besides, the Foo Fighters rocked the place.
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Its true that the concerts may cause some pollution, but if they raise awareness that helps the planet in the future, then its all good..
I guess the question is is there actually anyone out there with half a clue who isn't aware of global warming already?
I reckon it's great that they went to all the trouble of powering everything with bio-diesel generators. But instead of using all that on a bunch of purposely organised concerts, ok, keeping the music and environmental theme, just as easily they could've checked in with all the big bands who were scheduled to play their own shows on a particular day, and coordinate with everyone so all those concerts which would be going ahead anyway would all take on an environmental message, and power them up with bio-diesel as well. No extra litter, no extra energy used, no acts purposely flying in to any particular on private jets for a one off show.
And no need to produce a big batch of those 'oh look at me I support a cause' plastic wristbands.
I guess the question is is there actually anyone out there with half a clue who isn't aware of global warming already?
I reckon it's great that they went to all the trouble of powering everything with bio-diesel generators. But instead of using all that on a bunch of purposely organised concerts, ok, keeping the music and environmental theme, just as easily they could've checked in with all the big bands who were scheduled to play their own shows on a particular day, and coordinate with everyone so all those concerts which would be going ahead anyway would all take on an environmental message, and power them up with bio-diesel as well. No extra litter, no extra energy used, no acts purposely flying in to any particular on private jets for a one off show.
And no need to produce a big batch of those 'oh look at me I support a cause' plastic wristbands.
I think the point of the concert was to get people talking, which it certainly has. One could define that as a success in and of itself.
Yes, most folks have heard something about global warming. I would argue that the average person has no real clue what it means though. So perhaps in addition to getting people talking, they've also educated some people as well.
What really irritates me about all the whining about live earth is that if PJ had performed there, as there would be twice the positive energy put into this. Because PJ didn't play, there seems to be a school of thought on this board that there MUST be something wrong with it.
Bash all you want, but I firmly believe that the essense of what is happening is good.
For those who say that the event won't do anything to raise awareness, think about how much a certain guitar player has done for the CCFA. People here flock like sheep to his cause.
That's an excellent point Joe. Prior to 2003, the only quasi-celebrity that I knew that had Crohn's was Kelsey Grammer's wife.
If you have the platform to make a difference, use it.
Change starts with awareness. If you are cognizant of the dire situation at hand, then, you are more likely to keep in with you.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
this is a tough one ... it falls into the same thing as the greenwashing that is going on with the big companies like home depot and wal-mart ... in one hand a step forward is better then nothing but on another hand - it really isn't the change we need to see happen ...
the modern-day environmental movement struggles with who and what we embrace ... there is an effort to be more inclusive to try and foster change but in the end - we don't want to be exploited either ...
i hope this concert raised enuf awareness to compensate for the excessiveness - but it remains to be seen ...
The economist in me wants to ask, "What's the net benefit of the concerts? Sure, they produce tons of pollution but if they convince enough people NOT to pollute, they result in a net 'benefit' for the environment."
Like Madonna. Her annual output was something like 1000tonnes right? And the average Briton uses just 10 tonnes? But, what if she convinces 1000 Britons to decrease their output by 1 tonne to 9 tonnes. Then that results in a negation of her carbon footprint. If she convinces more than that, then more people decrease their output and there is a not benefit for the environment.
Now, this is assuming you believe in all of that enviro-nazi bullshit. I don't.
This also assumes that Madonna can convince anyone of anything other than that she's a smoking hot milf.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Scream for change for mother Earth, but lets fuck it up some more by really fuckin polluting it for a day. It's okay if we do it, cause We are Al Gore and Superstars. Fuck the common man. They'll get over it...
"Live Earth say that they will recycle much of the waste generated. Fine talk, but in fact some of the concert venues are struggling to keep up with their commitments.
A spokesman for Wembley says they only have the capacity to recycle around a third of waste produced - the rest will go into landfill sites.
Travel forms the vast majority of the 'carbon footprint' talked of by ecological campaigners - contributing up to 90 per cent of the environmental 'cost'.
Collins says: "It is patently absurd to claim that travel of this nature doesn't have an impact. Each person attending the event will have to make a return journey to the venue, be it by air, rail, bus or car. This burns fossil fuel - precisely what we are trying to reduce.
"There is also the environmental cost of these artists flying around the world - that is absolutely huge."
Indeed, an audit of the lifestyles of the A-list performers appearing at Live Earth, reveals that they are among the worst individual polluters in the world, as their world tours and private jets billow thousands of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. One hour in a Gulfstream jet burns as much fuel as driving a family car for a year.
The Daily Mail has found that five of the top performing acts together have an annual output of almost 2,000 carbon tonnes. Madonna alone has an annual carbon footprint of 1,018 tonnes, according to John Buckley.
Remember, the average Briton produces just ten tonnes.
i'm waiting to hear how private interest groups raising a bunch of money will curb emissions. on sunday there was just as many cars on the road. walmart was just as packed as any other sunday and everyone still left with their purchaces in plastic bags made from oil. they still bought products made from oil.
while most bands earn at least $1 million a year; wouldn't it have been better for the artists to donate to the cause and save the extra emissions generated by the concerts? oh; wait; now we're back to the rich giving giving to charity thread.
everyone still left with their purchaces in plastic bags made from oil.
For those that do not bring their own bags to the grocery store, are you willing to try it for a week? If you are ok with it, are you willing to try for longer than a week?
Here's an example of me changing my lifestyle. For the environment, and out of compassion to other beings, I became vegetarian again a week ago. Who knows how long it will last, but I'm optimistic. It's not that hard for me as I've done it before, but that was 10 years ago. Also, I'm more committed to eating organically even though I've been committed for over 10 years. I plan to cook more so that I know I'm eating organic food. Baking is easy for me, cooking is not as easy. I have all of the ingredients for a tofu recipe. I've never successfully cooked tofu before, but I guess it's time to start if I want to walk the walk, eh?
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
i'm waiting to hear how private interest groups raising a bunch of money will curb emissions. on sunday there was just as many cars on the road. walmart was just as packed as any other sunday and everyone still left with their purchaces in plastic bags made from oil. they still bought products made from oil.
while most bands earn at least $1 million a year; wouldn't it have been better for the artists to donate to the cause and save the extra emissions generated by the concerts? oh; wait; now we're back to the rich giving giving to charity thread.
Not to beat up on the rich or anything.....but when was the last time you saw any star showing their "crib" and they were proud to be using wind or solar, etc. Any star? Throwing money at problems is nice. But showing me three of the stars from that show that are trying to make a difference on their own, via their mansions or property would be a start.
When this thing was first starting to get headlines, my first question was "is everybody going to be doing an accoustic set?".
For those that do not bring their own bags to the grocery store, are you willing to try it for a week? If you are ok with it, are you willing to try for longer than a week?
Here's an example of me changing my lifestyle. For the environment, and out of compassion to other beings, I became vegetarian again a week ago. Who knows how long it will last, but I'm optimistic. It's not that hard for me as I've done it before, but that was 10 years ago. Also, I'm more committed to eating organically even though I've been committed for over 10 years. I plan to cook more so that I know I'm eating organic food. Baking is easy for me, cooking is not as easy. I have all of the ingredients for a tofu recipe. I've never successfully cooked tofu before, but I guess it's time to start if I want to walk the walk, eh?
thank you for asking. i've been 100% solar for years now. i raise my animals naturally and i don't feed grains which require tractors to grow and trucks to distribute. thus the reason becoming a veggie increases your carbon footprint. the amount of diesel burned cultivating; planting; spraying; harvesting; and distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate. add in the manufacturing of the chemicals sprayed on the veggies and it's distribution and you've increased your footprint quite a bit.
i've been using solar energy since it became available at an affordable price in the late 1970's. until now; i've sold solar power back to the power company. now i'm no where near the grid.
as for shopping bags; you can buy shopping bags made from hemp that work great. they don't break spilling your groceries on the ground. i also shop only once a month. it's easy once you get used to it.
Not to beat up on the rich or anything.....but when was the last time you saw any star showing their "crib" and they were proud to be using wind or solar, etc. Any star? Throwing money at problems is nice. But showing me three of the stars from that show that are trying to make a difference on their own, via their mansions or property would be a start.
When this thing was first starting to get headlines, my first question was "is everybody going to be doing an accoustic set?".
and there you have it. if the "cause" was really improving the enviornment; why don't the stars practice what they preach? they'll tell you what you should do but they're in a position to SHOW you. i think the whole thing was profit motivated.
Its true that the concerts may cause some pollution, but if they raise awareness that helps the planet in the future, then its all good.
For those who say that the event won't do anything to raise awareness, think about how much a certain guitar player has done for the CCFA. People here flock like sheep to his cause.
Just because you don't like the BEPs or KT Tunstall, many others do, and if their performances help raise awareness, we all win.
are you taking into consideration the trucks that had to move the equipment? people don't see all the sources.
thank you for asking. i've been 100% solar for years now. i raise my animals naturally and i don't feed grains which require tractors to grow and trucks to distribute. thus the reason becoming a veggie increases your carbon footprint. the amount of diesel burned cultivating; planting; spraying; harvesting; and distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate. add in the manufacturing of the chemicals sprayed on the veggies and it's distribution and you've increased your footprint quite a bit.
i've been using solar energy since it became available at an affordable price in the late 1970's. until now; i've sold solar power back to the power company. now i'm no where near the grid.
as for shopping bags; you can buy shopping bags made from hemp that work great. they don't break spilling your groceries on the ground. i also shop only once a month. it's easy once you get used to it.
I've never heard that becoming a vegetarian increase the carbon footprint. Especially since the biggest consumers of chemical laden vegetables are animals bred for slaughter i.e., soy, corn. Also, those chemicals on vegetables that we vegetarians eat are the same ones animals eat, and non-vegetarians eat. Those of us that don't chose organic products, that is.
distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate
I've never heard this. I guess where farm *operations* are located, everyone in the county stops by with knife and fork in hand and digs in? Animal parts are carted all over the country. What's the farthest location where your animal products are sold?
We are definitely not on the same page. That's great you use solar power, but I can not fathom how anyone would think vegetarianism is worse for the planet than eating meat. Is that what you wrote, or did I misunderstand you?
I'm not a saint, you know, I still eat dairy products. I just don't understand what you wrote.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
are you taking into consideration the trucks that had to move the equipment? people don't see all the sources.
Of course I know it took a vast amount of resources to stage the event, but hopefully, one day of waste is offset by the future actions of those motivated by the event.
and there you have it. if the "cause" was really improving the enviornment; why don't the stars practice what they preach? they'll tell you what you should do but they're in a position to SHOW you. i think the whole thing was profit motivated.
Who cares what the "stars" do?.......as long as their performances drew viewers who will take note of the event's message, the stars' everyday actions don't really matter all that much.
Who cares what the "stars" do?.......as long as their performances drew viewers who will take note of the event's message, the stars' everyday actions don't really matter all that much.
walmart is as packed today as any other day. it had no effect. and who did it reach? message boards all over the net have been discussing global warming for years. anyone that didn't know the message before the concert must live in a shell and thus not produce emissions.
walmart is as packed today as any other day. it had no effect. and who did it reach? message boards all over the net have been discussing global warming for years. anyone that didn't know the message before the concert must live in a shell and thus not produce emissions.
I am not sure if your cursory survey of the local walmart can really summize the event's effect.
The masses are never as well-informed as you assume.
I've never heard that becoming a vegetarian increase the carbon footprint. Especially since the biggest consumers of chemical laden vegetables are animals bred for slaughter i.e., soy, corn. Also, those chemicals on vegetables that we vegetarians eat are the same ones animals eat, and non-vegetarians eat. Those of us that don't chose organic products, that is.
distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate
I've never heard this. I guess where farm *operations* are located, everyone in the county stops by with knife and fork in hand and digs in? Animal parts are carted all over the country. What's the farthest location where your animal products are sold?
We are definitely not on the same page. That's great you use solar power, but I can not fathom how anyone would think vegetarianism is worse for the planet than eating meat. Is that what you wrote, or did I misunderstand you?
I'm not a saint, you know, I still eat dairy products. I just don't understand what you wrote.
my meat products are sold nationwide; but their also raised naturally offsetting the carbon emissions. my animals eat only grass and in return they fertilize the soil. however; if i decided to grow veggies; i would have to cultivate the land; and prepare it for planting. this takes 3 passes accross the field with 3 different impliments. then there's planting; which is another pass accross the field. then there's spraying for weeds and bugs; then there's harvesting. so to grow a crop of say carrots; i must pass over that field 7 times with a diesel burning tractor. compared to no passes raising meat on wild grasses.
if you're reading veggie sites; they're not going to tell you that. they are one sided just as the meat industry is one sided in it's publications. corn growers will tell you that corn is the answer to the energy problem. but they won't tell you how much diesel they have to burn to produce an acre of corn. they too must make 7 passes.
i hope that clears it up. if not; let me know and i'll give you other examples.
I am not sure if your cursory survey of the local walmart can really summize the event's effect.
The masses are never as well-informed as you assume.
Nor are they as ignorant as others often assume. You are aware, arent you?
My problem with the thing is that it is busting down open doors. Had this been like ten years ago, then maybe. But I dont know about your papers and news over there, but I can guarantee that noone here paying the slightest attention to anything remotely like news are unaware of the problem.
So this carnival of charity, to me, looks more like a stage for people to show off their goodness for supporting a good cause, and for some heads of state to look cool and have a pr-boost by shaking hands with Bono (or whoever) and looking concerned.
But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, now that it's over and done with.
Peace
Dan
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Nor are they as ignorant as others often assume. You are aware, arent you?
My problem with the thing is that it is busting down open doors. Had this been like ten years ago, then maybe. But I dont know about your papers and news over there, but I can guarantee that noone here paying the slightest attention to anything remotely like news are unaware of the problem.
So this carnival of charity, to me, looks more like a stage for people to show off their goodness for supporting a good cause, and for some heads of state to look cool and have a pr-boost by shaking hands with Bono (or whoever) and looking concerned.
But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, now that it's over and done with.
Peace
Dan
thank you. i did the same PR thing with my band and i'm man enough to admitt it was all self promotion. i don't even remember the causes. it sold tickets and even though it was for charity; I GOT PAID. i've never worked for free.
Nor are they as ignorant as others often assume. You are aware, arent you?
My problem with the thing is that it is busting down open doors. Had this been like ten years ago, then maybe. But I dont know about your papers and news over there, but I can guarantee that noone here paying the slightest attention to anything remotely like news are unaware of the problem.
So this carnival of charity, to me, looks more like a stage for people to show off their goodness for supporting a good cause, and for some heads of state to look cool and have a pr-boost by shaking hands with Bono (or whoever) and looking concerned.
But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, now that it's over and done with.
Peace
Dan
Over here, more then 1/2 of voters selected George Bush for a second term. The voters in California recalled the governor so that they could elect Arnold Schwartznegger, who had no prior political experience.
I am proud of my country (but not the current "management"), however, there are millions of uninformed people who pay zero attention to the environment!
Sadly enough, people here are as ignorant as assumed!
my meat products are sold nationwide; but their also raised naturally offsetting the carbon emissions. my animals eat only grass and in return they fertilize the soil. however; if i decided to grow veggies; i would have to cultivate the land; and prepare it for planting. this takes 3 passes accross the field with 3 different impliments. then there's planting; which is another pass accross the field. then there's spraying for weeds and bugs; then there's harvesting. so to grow a crop of say carrots; i must pass over that field 7 times with a diesel burning tractor. compared to no passes raising meat on wild grasses.
if you're reading veggie sites; they're not going to tell you that. they are one sided just as the meat industry is one sided in it's publications. corn growers will tell you that corn is the answer to the energy problem. but they won't tell you how much diesel they have to burn to produce an acre of corn. they too must make 7 passes.
i hope that clears it up. if not; let me know and i'll give you other examples.
Without promoting vegetarinaism, there is such a thing as low-till farming using seed drills and rod-weeders and such. Preserved sub-soil moisture as well, which is good. MInd you, I'm a meat-a-tarian !!
Without promoting vegetarinaism, there is such a thing as low-till farming using seed drills and rod-weeders and such. Preserved sub-soil moisture as well, which is good. MInd you, I'm a meat-a-tarian !!
i was the biggest promoter of no-till in the 70's. it doesn't work for vegetables. veggies would get choked out and the surrounding plants would rob the veggies of nutrients.
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I agree. And besides, the Foo Fighters rocked the place.
I reckon it's great that they went to all the trouble of powering everything with bio-diesel generators. But instead of using all that on a bunch of purposely organised concerts, ok, keeping the music and environmental theme, just as easily they could've checked in with all the big bands who were scheduled to play their own shows on a particular day, and coordinate with everyone so all those concerts which would be going ahead anyway would all take on an environmental message, and power them up with bio-diesel as well. No extra litter, no extra energy used, no acts purposely flying in to any particular on private jets for a one off show.
And no need to produce a big batch of those 'oh look at me I support a cause' plastic wristbands.
I think the point of the concert was to get people talking, which it certainly has. One could define that as a success in and of itself.
Yes, most folks have heard something about global warming. I would argue that the average person has no real clue what it means though. So perhaps in addition to getting people talking, they've also educated some people as well.
What really irritates me about all the whining about live earth is that if PJ had performed there, as there would be twice the positive energy put into this. Because PJ didn't play, there seems to be a school of thought on this board that there MUST be something wrong with it.
Bash all you want, but I firmly believe that the essense of what is happening is good.
I say just keep Pearl Jam and the couple other bands who are worth seeing.
That's an excellent point Joe. Prior to 2003, the only quasi-celebrity that I knew that had Crohn's was Kelsey Grammer's wife.
If you have the platform to make a difference, use it.
Change starts with awareness. If you are cognizant of the dire situation at hand, then, you are more likely to keep in with you.
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the modern-day environmental movement struggles with who and what we embrace ... there is an effort to be more inclusive to try and foster change but in the end - we don't want to be exploited either ...
i hope this concert raised enuf awareness to compensate for the excessiveness - but it remains to be seen ...
Like Madonna. Her annual output was something like 1000tonnes right? And the average Briton uses just 10 tonnes? But, what if she convinces 1000 Britons to decrease their output by 1 tonne to 9 tonnes. Then that results in a negation of her carbon footprint. If she convinces more than that, then more people decrease their output and there is a not benefit for the environment.
Now, this is assuming you believe in all of that enviro-nazi bullshit. I don't.
This also assumes that Madonna can convince anyone of anything other than that she's a smoking hot milf.
-Enoch Powell
so, how do you propose we travel to different countries?? sailboat??
while most bands earn at least $1 million a year; wouldn't it have been better for the artists to donate to the cause and save the extra emissions generated by the concerts? oh; wait; now we're back to the rich giving giving to charity thread.
i think the plot here is not to travel so much.
Here's an example of me changing my lifestyle. For the environment, and out of compassion to other beings, I became vegetarian again a week ago. Who knows how long it will last, but I'm optimistic. It's not that hard for me as I've done it before, but that was 10 years ago. Also, I'm more committed to eating organically even though I've been committed for over 10 years. I plan to cook more so that I know I'm eating organic food. Baking is easy for me, cooking is not as easy. I have all of the ingredients for a tofu recipe. I've never successfully cooked tofu before, but I guess it's time to start if I want to walk the walk, eh?
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Not to beat up on the rich or anything.....but when was the last time you saw any star showing their "crib" and they were proud to be using wind or solar, etc. Any star? Throwing money at problems is nice. But showing me three of the stars from that show that are trying to make a difference on their own, via their mansions or property would be a start.
When this thing was first starting to get headlines, my first question was "is everybody going to be doing an accoustic set?".
thank you for asking. i've been 100% solar for years now. i raise my animals naturally and i don't feed grains which require tractors to grow and trucks to distribute. thus the reason becoming a veggie increases your carbon footprint. the amount of diesel burned cultivating; planting; spraying; harvesting; and distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate. add in the manufacturing of the chemicals sprayed on the veggies and it's distribution and you've increased your footprint quite a bit.
i've been using solar energy since it became available at an affordable price in the late 1970's. until now; i've sold solar power back to the power company. now i'm no where near the grid.
as for shopping bags; you can buy shopping bags made from hemp that work great. they don't break spilling your groceries on the ground. i also shop only once a month. it's easy once you get used to it.
and there you have it. if the "cause" was really improving the enviornment; why don't the stars practice what they preach? they'll tell you what you should do but they're in a position to SHOW you. i think the whole thing was profit motivated.
are you taking into consideration the trucks that had to move the equipment? people don't see all the sources.
distributing your veggies is more pollution than animals can generate
I've never heard this. I guess where farm *operations* are located, everyone in the county stops by with knife and fork in hand and digs in? Animal parts are carted all over the country. What's the farthest location where your animal products are sold?
We are definitely not on the same page. That's great you use solar power, but I can not fathom how anyone would think vegetarianism is worse for the planet than eating meat. Is that what you wrote, or did I misunderstand you?
Here's some information on how cows affect the environment http://www.insidedairyproduction.com/wst_page2.html
I'm not a saint, you know, I still eat dairy products. I just don't understand what you wrote.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Of course I know it took a vast amount of resources to stage the event, but hopefully, one day of waste is offset by the future actions of those motivated by the event.
Who cares what the "stars" do?.......as long as their performances drew viewers who will take note of the event's message, the stars' everyday actions don't really matter all that much.
walmart is as packed today as any other day. it had no effect. and who did it reach? message boards all over the net have been discussing global warming for years. anyone that didn't know the message before the concert must live in a shell and thus not produce emissions.
I am not sure if your cursory survey of the local walmart can really summize the event's effect.
The masses are never as well-informed as you assume.
my meat products are sold nationwide; but their also raised naturally offsetting the carbon emissions. my animals eat only grass and in return they fertilize the soil. however; if i decided to grow veggies; i would have to cultivate the land; and prepare it for planting. this takes 3 passes accross the field with 3 different impliments. then there's planting; which is another pass accross the field. then there's spraying for weeds and bugs; then there's harvesting. so to grow a crop of say carrots; i must pass over that field 7 times with a diesel burning tractor. compared to no passes raising meat on wild grasses.
if you're reading veggie sites; they're not going to tell you that. they are one sided just as the meat industry is one sided in it's publications. corn growers will tell you that corn is the answer to the energy problem. but they won't tell you how much diesel they have to burn to produce an acre of corn. they too must make 7 passes.
i hope that clears it up. if not; let me know and i'll give you other examples.
Nor are they as ignorant as others often assume. You are aware, arent you?
My problem with the thing is that it is busting down open doors. Had this been like ten years ago, then maybe. But I dont know about your papers and news over there, but I can guarantee that noone here paying the slightest attention to anything remotely like news are unaware of the problem.
So this carnival of charity, to me, looks more like a stage for people to show off their goodness for supporting a good cause, and for some heads of state to look cool and have a pr-boost by shaking hands with Bono (or whoever) and looking concerned.
But I'll be happy to be proven wrong, now that it's over and done with.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
thank you. i did the same PR thing with my band and i'm man enough to admitt it was all self promotion. i don't even remember the causes. it sold tickets and even though it was for charity; I GOT PAID. i've never worked for free.
Over here, more then 1/2 of voters selected George Bush for a second term. The voters in California recalled the governor so that they could elect Arnold Schwartznegger, who had no prior political experience.
I am proud of my country (but not the current "management"), however, there are millions of uninformed people who pay zero attention to the environment!
Sadly enough, people here are as ignorant as assumed!
Peace to you as well!
Without promoting vegetarinaism, there is such a thing as low-till farming using seed drills and rod-weeders and such. Preserved sub-soil moisture as well, which is good. MInd you, I'm a meat-a-tarian !!
i couldnt agree more, i laughed at this thing and to see people swallow it up like its a worthy cause is even more laughable
i wonder how many private jets left this thing after it was over?
i was the biggest promoter of no-till in the 70's. it doesn't work for vegetables. veggies would get choked out and the surrounding plants would rob the veggies of nutrients.