To the people who believe 911 was an inside job...

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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    lgt wrote:
    Caesar killed by a plot organised by his own nephew is not a conspiracy theory. It's a well-known historical fact.

    Conspiracy and political intrigue do happen in history.

    Conspiracy theories such as the international Jewish conspiracy running the world (a long-standing conspiracy theory) has still to be proven to be true - although the Nazi party did their "best" to provide evidence for this claim.

    The issue is to prove what you claim, on both sides of the argument.
    No that's YOUR issue... it's never been my issue. I came in here with opinions, never stating them as fact, and then demands were placed on my to PROVE my opinions on these theories... which goes against the definition of BOTH words. If I could prove these theories, they'd no longer be theories and I'd either be dead or one of the richest women in the world :)
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    The Champ wrote:
    Don't flip dude, it's not worth it..This should be your last attempt to argue with her..I learned the hard way a long time ago, right Hel ;)..

    m.
    the HARD way? :D you must be joking! :p
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    and we'd all live happily ever after :) what's wrong with that?

    Sure but also one would live in ignorance.

    I'd prefer a world where human knowledge advances and progresses, respecting all different opinions, but accepting as valid ideas that can be proven and substantiated.

    Of course, that doesn't mean that proven ideas and theories can be supplemented by others or that one can claim complete knowledge. But that's progress :)
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    nobody wrote:

    I can't disprove that there is a superclass...just as I can't prove there is no god or aliens...BUT I can disprove central claims or raise reasonable doubt about all kinds of wold conspiracy theories...as I can about specific religions...


    You say this but you haven't actually proved anything at all so far. You have only said this is fact but have provided no prove. So that kind of makes your claims as baseless as you like to think ours are.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    sooo ... the premise that 9/11 was not an inside job falls on the reasoning that americans could not in good conscience kill their own people?
  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    No that's YOUR issue... it's never been my issue. I came in here with opinions, never stating them as fact, and then demands were placed on my to PROVE my opinions on these theories... which goes against the definition of BOTH words. If I could prove these theories, they'd no longer be theories and I'd either be dead or one of the richest women in the world :)

    show me one post where I asked you to proof who flew those planes?
    the reason I got upset with you is that you factually misrepresent my arguments (for everyone to see) and that you lie about me...

    but thanks for part-taking...in the beginning your posts actually replected the purpose of this thread...

    m
    Godwin's Law:
    "As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Nobody... we're not going to agree... I respect your opinions and your views but I don't agree... it's no big deal... the sky hasn't fallen in. Go study for your exams and go pass them, ok? :) I hear eating tuna is good brain food :) but then of course if you eat too much, you'll die of mercury poisoning :eek:
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    lgt wrote:
    Sure but also one would live in ignorance.

    I'd prefer a world where human knowledge advances and progresses, respecting all different opinions, but accepting as valid ideas that can be proven and substantiated.

    Of course, that doesn't mean that proven ideas and theories can be supplemented by others or that one can claim complete knowledge. But that's progress :)
    since when is complete knowledge the key to eternal happiness? And how does it make one better than those who live in ignorance? :) ignorance is bliss... or didn't ya hear? :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    polaris wrote:
    sooo ... the premise that 9/11 was not an inside job falls on the reasoning that americans could not in good conscience kill their own people?

    This certainly seems to be the argument so far that everyone has put forward.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    the HARD way? :D you must be joking! :p

    You're getting close, don't make me spank you again ;)..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    spiral out wrote:
    This certainly seems to be the argument so far that everyone has put forward.

    ok ... good to know ... :)
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    No that's YOUR issue... it's never been my issue. I came in here with opinions, never stating them as fact, and then demands were placed on my to PROVE my opinions on these theories... which goes against the definition of BOTH words. If I could prove these theories, they'd no longer be theories and I'd either be dead or one of the richest women in the world :)

    Opinion and theories are two different things.

    As I've said before, each has the burden of proof if they want their ideas to be accepted as valid and most reliable representation of reality, i.e. facts.

    If you could prove theories, they'd actually be theories because they'd be supported by data and evidence, that could be cross-checked and referenced by others to support or deny its validity.
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    nobody wrote:
    show me one post where I asked you to proof who flew those planes?
    the reason I got upset with you is that you factually misrepresent my arguments (for everyone to see) and that you lie about me...

    but thanks for part-taking...in the beginning your posts actually replected the purpose of this thread...

    m
    You asked me to prove my THEORIES... which is what I said in the post you quoted. I'm sorry if I've misrepresented you and that was not my intention. Yeh, it did start off as a good discussion... perhaps some other time... but seriously you... GO STUDY! :cool: :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    spiral out wrote:
    This certainly seems to be the argument so far that everyone has put forward.

    It is? lol....gotta love this place..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    nobody wrote:
    yeah...by using a passenger plane to start the fire...

    I am out of here...

    this is beyond common sense(and I'm not talking about my initial questions), but this complete lack of sense for even the most common basic rules of reasoning...

    m.
    Hey man, this thread is way too many pages long now so my surfing through it cannot find them, so I ask politely, where are the links that prove through engeneering facts that skyscrapers that are on fire should free fall after a couple hours, and will also cause buildings around them to free fall shortly thereafter?
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    spiral out wrote:
    You say this but you haven't actually proved anything at all so far. You have only said this is fact but have provided no prove.

    cause I'm not here to prove anything...
    in science (natural as well as political and social) knowledge is not gained by proving things...but by disproving them...

    but circular world views, like religions, ideologies or world conspiracy theories can't be disproven as a whole...but certain factual claims they make can well be disproven...for example that millions of animals fit on one boat...

    and if central facts of those worldviews are FALSE...then it is highly unlikely that they are actually correct...even if it is still possible...

    that is reasoning...plain and simple

    m.
    Godwin's Law:
    "As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    The Champ wrote:
    You're getting close, don't make me spank you again ;)..
    :eek: :D hmm... anyway... yeh, 9/11 what about that eh? :o:D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    lgt wrote:
    Opinion and theories are two different things.

    As I've said before, each has the burden of proof if they want their ideas to be accepted as valid and most reliable representation of reality, i.e. facts.

    If you could prove theories, they'd actually be theories because they'd be supported by data and evidence, that could be cross-checked and referenced by others to support or deny its validity.
    Once you prove opinions and theories (in the 'idea' definition) it becomes fact. Let's not go on a definition roundabout here cos that gets dull pretty quickly :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    nobody wrote:
    and this by the way...for everyone to see...is a VALID historical example...

    m.

    In that case is the Riechstag not a valid example then?
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    Hey man, this thread is way too many pages long now so my surfing through it cannot find them, so I ask politely, where are the links that prove through engeneering facts that skyscrapers that are on fire should free fall after a couple hours, and will also cause buildings around them to free fall shortly thereafter?

    you can't find them, cause this wasn't the question of this threat...
    this is not a scientific website...but you might check it out anyway...for some counter-arguments...
    beware though: it's not there to prove anything, but to cast doubt on convetional conspiracy theories about it...because the burden of proof lies with them...
    http://conspiracyscience.com/

    m.
    Godwin's Law:
    "As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

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