Who here doesnt think the US government is insanely out of control?

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not that I condone the murder of anyone but can you please explain what you think America did derserve after 50 years of supporting Israeli terror, decimating Iraq in 1991, propping up numerous puppet regimes throughout the Middle East, bombing a major Sudanese Medical factory, and sitting back and allowing tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslims to be slaughtered in Yugloslavia, e.t.c?

    This may be considered controversial and offensive to many Americans on this messageboard, but here is an age old saying which goes: 'You reap what you sow'.

    But then many Americans are of the opinion that 9/11 occured out of an historical vacuum.

    sounds like you are saying America got what it deserved on 9/11. wow, I'm really surprised to see that on here.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MrSmith wrote:
    the truth is Americans are fat and happy, so real change won't come until the bottom falls out and people are forced to pay attention (and probably when its too late).

    This is too true.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    sounds like you are saying America got what it deserved on 9/11. wow, I'm really surprised to see that on here.

    I didn't say 'America got what it deserved'. What I did was provide some obvious examples of why America had no right to regard itself as being outside the remit of violence. The only surprising thing about 9/11 was that it hadn't occured earlier.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I didn't say 'America got what it deserved'. What I did was provide some obvious examples of why America had no right to regard itself as being outside the remit of violence. The only surprising thing about 9/11 was that it hadn't occured earlier.

    those people in the world trade center had every right to regard themselves outside the remit of violence.

    ok I guess I'll ask. do you think America got what it deserved?
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    I wonder if you'll answer this
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    those people in the world trade center had every right to regard themselves outside the remit of violence.

    ok I guess I'll ask. do you think America got what it deserved?

    Occupational hazard would be more apt. Play with fire get burned...snake handlers get bitten etc...

    I kill your family and steal your land...you get pissed...kinda like that...
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Occupational hazard would be more apt. Play with fire get burned...snake handlers get bitten etc...

    I kill your family and steal your land...you get pissed...kinda like that...


    when did those innocent workers play with fire? who's land did those workers in the WTC steal? who's family did they kill?

    so I'll ask you, although I think you'll dance around it or simply disappear like your friend, do you think America got what it deserved on 9/11 ? yes or no.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    my2hands wrote:
    and has become our own worst enemy?


    please share your thoughts


    yes.

    but you know i think a lot of governments around the world are the worst enemies of the people they supposedly represent. representative governments are not democracies.
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    those people in the world trade center had every right to regard themselves outside the remit of violence.

    ok I guess I'll ask. do you think America got what it deserved?

    so neither you or that rolandtd wantt to take a stab at this question?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    when did those innocent workers play with fire? who's land did those workers in the WTC steal? who's family did they kill?

    so I'll ask you, although I think you'll dance around it or simply disappear like your friend, do you think America got what it deserved on 9/11 ? yes or no.


    what are you yammering on about?

    haven't you figured it out yet? According to the calendar, you've had almost 7 years to think about it...

    lol...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    what are you yammering on about?

    haven't you figured it out yet? According to the calendar, you've had almost 7 years to think about it...

    lol...

    what are you laughing about? I see its clear you won't answer the question.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    what are you laughing about? I see its clear you won't answer the question.


    Ok pose it to me in your own words, and I'll consider it jlew..

    and sigh....would you just ask Kat to change your nic back already?

    I'm sure she'll understand.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Ok pose it to me in your own words, and I'll consider it jlew..

    and sigh....would you just ask Kat to change your nic back already?

    I'm sure she'll understand.

    really guy, I don't know what this jlew stuff is about. you make it really difficult to debate anything with you, can you clearly see how immature you act? my question is do you think America deserved what it got on 9/11?
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    when did those innocent workers play with fire? who's land did those workers in the WTC steal? who's family did they kill?

    so I'll ask you, although I think you'll dance around it or simply disappear like your friend, do you think America got what it deserved on 9/11 ? yes or no.

    Let me ask you a question, do any innocent people in the world deserve to die for there governments actions?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    really guy, I don't know what this jlew stuff is about. you make it really difficult to debate anything with you, can you clearly see how immature you act? my question is do you think America deserved what it got on 9/11?

    Signed sealed delivered guy...you're him. But anyhow...fool me you will not.

    Watch some John Pilger documentaries Jeff...then you will understand a bit better.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    spiral out wrote:
    Let me ask you a question, do any innocent people in the world deserve to die for there governments actions?

    no they do not.
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    jlew24asu wrote:
    socialism takes away freedom. sorry, some of us enjoy it.

    Question for you and know1. Do you see any difference between money and freedom?
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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Signed sealed delivered guy...you're him. But anyhow...fool me you will not.

    Watch some John Pilger documentaries Jeff...then you will understand a bit better.

    Where is jlew anyway? there has been a lot less mud slinging round here lately.

    And if it was jlew you know full well that he would never watch a documentary that you recommend.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I think it's out of control.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    fanch75 wrote:
    I can assure you that there are no Americans in the streets being denied care.

    You can't be serious.
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