Who here doesnt think the US government is insanely out of control?

my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
and has become our own worst enemy?


please share your thoughts
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    The US government has been our own worst enemy for many decades now.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • I was going to say, it started about 30 years a go...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I was going to say, it started about 30 years a go...

    I would go back a little further to say 1823 with the writting of the Monroe Doctrine. That was the initial pebble in the lake. The Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine was also a defining moment in the progession of our government becoming our enemy.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • i would go back and say way back when man scurried down from trees and started eating poor defenseless animals.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I was born with a bias against the U.S. government. I'm Canadian.

    It's very difficult for me not to make assumptions about american people.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I was born with a bias against the U.S. government. I'm Canadian.
    why? I was born american and dont have a bias against your government.
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's very difficult for me not to make assumptions about american people.

    why? you pretend to be a smart guy. seems you should be completely capable of not making assumptions about people.
  • my2hands wrote:
    and has become our own worst enemy?


    please share your thoughts

    Bush and cabal have gotten essentially everything they want according to plan so far.

    I'm not sure how well the "they are all just so incompetent and bumbling" statement holds up.

    It was not a mistake to get tits deep in Iraq. It was actually planned and thought about for many years prior to it happening.

    Just an innocent bumbling mistake? heh yeah..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • We're all gonna DIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why? I was born american and dont have a bias against your government.

    You were
    why? you pretend to be a smart guy. seems you should be completely capable of not making assumptions about people.

    Maybe you don't understand the implicit association bias. At the subconscious level, African American's have a pro white bias. I personally have a slight bias for white people, a huge bias for Canada, no bias for age or sex, a moderate bias for thin people. As determined by an implicit association test. I take this into account when I act rationally.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You were
    I was what?
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Maybe you don't understand the implicit association bias. At the subconscious level, African American's have a pro white bias. I personally have a slight bias for white people, a huge bias for Canada, no bias for age or sex, a moderate bias for thin people. As determined by an implicit association test. I take this into account when I act rationally.

    I absolutely understand association bias. thats why I get more upset when an american solider dies compared to an Iraqi solider.

    but I still try to not make general assumptions about groups of people. which you completely avoided addressing in you try to be smart way.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • MrSmith wrote:


    what about shiny objects? :p
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I was born with a bias against the U.S. government. I'm Canadian.

    It's very difficult for me not to make assumptions about american people.
    Not being born in either of those countries, I just don't get the whole Canadians vs Us thing. What's with that? Like the way you say 'its' difficult not to make assumptions about american people'..... like there is something wrong with them...also i have read your posts in the past and you seem like you can be open minded and fair when it comes things, so it really surprises me that you would say something like that.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Bush and cabal have gotten essentially everything they want according to plan so far.

    I'm not sure how well the "they are all just so incompetent and bumbling" statement holds up.

    It was not a mistake to get tits deep in Iraq. It was actually planned and thought about for many years prior to it happening.

    Just an innocent bumbling mistake? heh yeah..

    It doesn't matter if bush is bumbling though, as he's just a puppet, he didn't write the plans. I'm sure the next president will be a little thick to.

    Bush is certainly the most stupid but regan wasn't much better.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I think the government is completely out of control.

    I also think it will get even worse if there's a Democratic President with a Democratic congress.

    Talk about liberties being stripped away.

    I shudder to think about it.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    know1 wrote:
    I think the government is completely out of control.

    I also think it will get even worse if there's a Democratic President with a Democratic congress.

    Talk about liberties being stripped away.

    I shudder to think about it.

    With the exception of Ron Paul, Kucinich, or Gavel, any of the other canidates will just continue to drive this country into the mud. It really is a sad testiment to our political system when the best we have to offer is Clinton, Guiliani, Romney, Obama, Edwards, and Thompson.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    mammasan wrote:
    With the exception of Ron Paul, Kucinich, or Gavel, any of the other canidates will just continue to drive this country into the mud. It really is a sad testiment to our political system when the best we have to offer is Clinton, Guiliani, Romney, Obama, Edwards, and Thompson.

    That is so true.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • the truth is Americans are fat and happy, so real change won't come until the bottom falls out and people are forced to pay attention (and probably when its too late).
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    MrSmith wrote:
    the truth is Americans are fat and happy, so real change won't come until the bottom falls out and people are forced to pay attention (and probably when its too late).

    And the government is the fattest and happiest of them all. It's ridiculous.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    The U.S. Government, the Insurance companies, the Banks and Financial institutions, the gas/fuel/oil companies, the pharmaceutical companies, the corporate farming/"food" companies...........

    Are all enemies of the the people of the United States.

    Keep us sick, keep us in debt, keep us drugged up, keep us fat, lazy and stupid.

    Keep us arguing over partisan bullshit loyalties (when in fact they are all the same douche bags).

    What clever distractions.

    Keep us scared, keep us pre-occupied and involved in religious......faith-based fiction.

    His religion is threatened, her religion is threatened, their religion is threatened, your religion is threatened, you're religion, you are threatened; now go fight and argue about it. Now go kill for it. What clever distractions.

    My religion is the true religion. No, mine is. You're both wrong, mine is the only true god and religion.

    Oh my.....is this what they call Faith?

    Faith: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. Belief without evidence. Confident belief in the truth of a person, idea, or thing. This belief is not based on logical proof.

    Oh but to insist, or impose by force one's religion to be the correct god and religion, betrays the very essence of the definiton of faith. Oh my.

    What a delicious distraction.

    Here, eat this crap we manufactored for you. Trust us, it's good. Sit, please sit.....watch your TV. We'll tell you what to think. We'll tell you the truth. We swear, no pinkie cross. Watch Oprah, she really cares, Watch Dr. Phil, he cares, too. More reality TV, why certainly. We're not quite sure who's reality this is, but I believe it was the same writer who got fired from the Roseanne show....by Roseanne.

    You want medical insurance? Sure, that'll be $15,000.00 a year for you and your family. But if you've ever sneezed just once in your life, we will consider that " a pre-existing condition" and we won't permit or cover for you to be treated and cured anywhere in the United States, by any physician. We'll need the whole $150,000 up front, to remove your appendix. A doctor's got to eat. Or is that "an Insurance/HMO CEO needs another, gold and chrome-plated bigger yact"? I always forget that one.

    People die, so they can buy, buy, buy.

    Keep us desperate. Keep us dumb. Keep us passive. Keep us numb. Keep us distracted. Their hands never left their wrists.


    Now I must quote Jim.

    " What have they done to the earth?
    What have they done to our fair sister?
    Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
    Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
    And tied her with fences and dragged her down


    Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection
    Send my credentials to the House of Detention
    I got some friends inside
    "
  • know1 wrote:

    I also think it will get even worse if there's a Democratic President with a Democratic congress.

    Talk about liberties being stripped away.

    I shudder to think about it.


    can I buy some pot from you, that must be some great shit.

    what do you base this opinion on?

    democrats are responsible for seat belts, womens sufferage (the right to vote) minimum wage hikes, attempts at universal health care and that's a short list. Carter created the fisa court to strengthen the 4th amendnment.

    with the exception of ron paul, a vote for a republican in 2008 is a vote for more money for the rich, less rights and more war.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    can I buy some pot from you, that must be some great shit.

    what do you base this opinion on?

    democrats are responsible for seat belts, womens sufferage (the right to vote) minimum wage hikes, attempts at universal health care and that's a short list. Carter created the fisa court to strengthen the 4th amendnment.

    with the exception of ron paul, a vote for a republican in 2008 is a vote for more money for the rich, less rights and more war.


    Yeah - Republicans GIVE money to the rich.

    I'm basing my opinion on the fact that anytime taxes are increased, people lose freedom. It's a simple concept, but one that's hardly mentioned.

    More taxes = less freedom
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 wrote:
    Yeah - Republicans GIVE money to the rich.

    I'm basing my opinion on the fact that anytime taxes are increased, people lose freedom. It's a simple concept, but one that's hardly mentioned.

    More taxes = less freedom

    are you insane?

    so tell me, how do you pay for a war, give out tax breaks (mainly to the wealthiest) and keep bridges intact and take care of matters of emergency such as Katrina?

    I mean besides mortgaging our country to the Chinese.

    to pay for stuff you have to collect revenue.

    now there's a simple concept
  • rybesrybes Posts: 136
    are you insane?

    so tell me, how do you pay for a war, give out tax breaks (mainly to the wealthiest) and keep bridges intact and take care of matters of emergency such as Katrina?

    I mean besides mortgaging our country to the Chinese.

    to pay for stuff you have to collect revenue.

    now there's a simple concept

    ironically... Katrina was mishandled, New Orleans didn't get the support it needed. Your bridges are falling apart, but hey at least you have billions of dollars to fight a war.

    I agree that you need taxes, as you said revenue to pay for stuff, but really where are the priorities in your country.

    I agree with the statement that more taxes = less freedom, with the context of what they are being spent on.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    are you insane?

    so tell me, how do you pay for a war, give out tax breaks (mainly to the wealthiest) and keep bridges intact and take care of matters of emergency such as Katrina?

    I mean besides mortgaging our country to the Chinese.

    to pay for stuff you have to collect revenue.

    now there's a simple concept

    We cut programs - including ending the war - and either keep taxes the same or lower them.

    I've never said we could eliminate all taxes. But I oppose all new taxes at this point. Government needs to trim the fat and not continually look for handouts.

    And yes - I firmly believe that higher taxes = less freedom.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 wrote:
    We cut programs - including ending the war - and either keep taxes the same or lower them. I've never said we could eliminate all taxes. But I oppose all new taxes at this point. Government needs to trim the fat and not continually look for handouts.

    good luck in your run for...oh yeah, you'd never get elected telling the truth.
    know1 wrote:
    And yes - I firmly believe that higher taxes = less freedom.

    I don't get how that translates but if it makes sense to you more power to you. I believe it does mean less money.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    And the government is the fattest and happiest of them all. It's ridiculous.

    i agree...

    especially with the ever blurring lines between corporation/government with lobbying and bouncing back between gov't and corporate jobs... peddling influence to the highest bidder
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    I've never said we could eliminate all taxes. But I oppose all new taxes at this point.

    it's gonna snow...

    we agree! :D
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    And yes - I firmly believe that higher taxes = less freedom.

    depends on who we are talking about taxing here...

    the tax system is designed to exploit the average masses, while benefitting the wealthy. even before bush's insane tax cut's

    do you agree with that? if nont, why so?
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