12 yr old has sex change

miller8966
miller8966 Posts: 1,450
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
This is just sick and disgusting imo

A 12-year-old German boy who insisted he was a girl trapped in a boy's body convinced his parents that something had to be done, so they agreed to allow him to receive a series of hormone injections, making him the youngest sex-change patient in the world, according to published reports Monday.

Now 14, the boy, who went by the name Tim, has now become Kim – a blue-eyed blonde with a growing bust line who is allowed to wear make-up at weekends.

Kim has no boyfriends at present but her parents say she is interested in what, now, is the opposite sex.

Her treatment, which has cost more than $40,000, is being funded by German taxpayers.

Psychiatrists treating her say she was an ‘exceptional case – a person clearly in the wrong body’, even though the decision to grant her wishes when she was so young is still the subject of intense debate.

Her identity and medical insurance cards have been changed to her new name and sex.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Well I don't think it's sick or disgusting but to do that at 12 seems extreme to me. He's just started puberty and perhaps these feelings will subside. On the other hand, maybe it will be good for him not to grow up confused.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    holy shit, that's fucked up.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Interesting.

    First, I am not fond of the taxpayers funding it and I am a big commie liberal.

    Second, I don't know at what age this should be able to occur, but I tend to think it is above 12. Then again, what to do now. I don't think taking the "sin" out of him through some extensive therapy is the way to go. I think that a suprising number of people feel like this kid does. There seems to be no right answer...
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  • janegosford
    janegosford Posts: 179
    WTF kind of doctor allows this?
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    why do you find it disgusting? because taxpayers funded it, or because they let it happen so young? what is the basis for your disgust?
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  • sapperskunk
    sapperskunk Posts: 684
    It disgusts me because of the age. What the fuck were the parents thinking? So maybe when he's done with the weird growing effects of puberty and wants to be a dude again, he has to attach something to his already mutilated body. Yikes.

    I hated living in Germany. Stupid Krauts.
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  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    I would be enraged if I were a German tax payer and I had to help pay for this operation.

    The whole thing is just sick.
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    sapperskunk wrote:
    It disgusts me because of the age. What the fuck were the parents thinking? So maybe when he's done with the weird growing effects of puberty and wants to be a dude again, he has to attach something to his already mutilated body. Yikes.

    I hated living in Germany. Stupid Krauts.

    how about the emotional effects of living as a boy when, really, you were supposed to be a girl? is that not a concern here? i understand the taxpayer element here, but, i believe that it's better for someone to be who they truly are rather than going through life as a conflicted individual. if she grows up and decides she was wrong...well, she has the bill on that one.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    I think that it way too young to be going through a sex change. At that age your boy is changing so much and your hormones are just starting to kick into over-drive that who really knows if the kid really feels like he is a girl or if it's the hormones screwing with his head. definetly should wait a few years, till after puberity, to make such a life altering decision.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    how about the emotional effects of living as a boy when, really, you were supposed to be a girl? is that not a concern here? i understand the taxpayer element here, but, i believe that it's better for someone to be who they truly are rather than going through life as a conflicted individual. if she grows up and decides she was wrong...well, she has the bill on that one.

    he is 12. can you vote at 12? go to war? drink? smoke? no. becos 12 year olds cannot make huge, potentially life-altering decisions. this is fucking nuts and anyone who says otherwise is too.

    if he wants to be a girl so bad, he can start by being the fruity gay kid.
  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    how about the emotional effects of living as a boy when, really, you were supposed to be a girl? is that not a concern here? i understand the taxpayer element here, but, i believe that it's better for someone to be who they truly are rather than going through life as a conflicted individual. if she grows up and decides she was wrong...well, she has the bill on that one.

    She/he should foot the bill on this one.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Other than the fact that the German taxpayers are footing the bill... I say, "Who cares?". It ain't my penis on the chopping block.
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    and I have long insisted that I am a Lesbian trapped in the body of a man... that's my gig... no one else's.
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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    soulsinging wrote:
    he is 12. can you vote at 12? go to war? drink? smoke? no. becos 12 year olds cannot make huge, potentially life-altering decisions. this is fucking nuts and anyone who says otherwise is too.

    if he wants to be a girl so bad, he can start by being the fruity gay kid.

    no, i just don't think it's my place to pass that sort of judgment on another.
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  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    sapperskunk wrote:
    I hated living in Germany. Stupid Krauts.


    I bet they miss you as well.
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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    She/he should foot the bill on this one.

    so, only people with money should live happy, adjusted, psychosis-free lives?
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    no, i just don't think it's my place to pass that sort of judgment on another.

    then we should repeal voting regulations and let children vote for political candidates? buy liquor and cigarettes? by supporting those prohibitions, you're passing judgment on them.
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    I would be enraged if I were a German tax payer and I had to help pay for this operation.

    The whole thing is just sick.

    well then, you must be enraged to be a tax payer in the good ol' US of A.

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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    soulsinging wrote:
    then we should repeal voting regulations and let children vote for political candidates? buy liquor and cigarettes? by supporting those prohibitions, you're passing judgment on them.

    i'm talking about the situation at hand. you find it repulsive and i disagree. if you want me opinion then ask...or, don't ask...

    cigarette and liquor laws are in place for the health of the person. if a person under the age of 18 demonstrated that they are capable of forming an intelligent, read opinion on politics then i say let them vote...they can't do any worse then the present electorate.

    but, the personal decision of someone to have a sex change doesn't bother me. it doesn't affect me, and it doesn't affect you. if a child wants to smoke and drink, i don't fucking care. let them. i have never passed judgment on someone for smoking...i've passed judgment on them smoking where it affects me.

    if you want to take it to the extreme based on my statement about not judging people then that's fine. it's ridiculous, but it's fine. why? because neither my opinion nor your opinion controls in germany. it doesn't even control here. so, it doesn't really matter.

    i see that you are fine with transplanting your personal feelings on the matter onto a person whom you neither know nor care about. because, in the end, this individual will be happier and more fulfilled as she is now. but, if not, you're not going to be the to help her through it. i won't be there either. but, i respect the decisions that people make for themselves.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    trappedinmyradio wrote:

    i see that you are fine with transplanting your personal feelings on the matter onto a person whom you neither know nor care about. because, in the end, this individual will be happier and more fulfilled as she is now. but, if not, you're not going to be the to help her through it. i won't be there either. but, i respect the decisions that people make for themselves.

    Its a 12 year old... If this is the case than do you think a 12 yr old having sex with the 25 yr old is ok because its consentual?
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  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    so, only people with money should live happy, adjusted, psychosis-free lives?


    No, but the German people shouldn't have to pay because you want to remove your dick and grow your hair out.

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