12 yr old has sex change

The Illinoisemakers

prism wrote:

well then, you must be enraged to be a tax payer in the good ol' US of A.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2440310&page=1

The difference being the US hasn't paid for this operation yet, the Germans have.

Yeah I am enraged about some of the things my taxes go towards. That's why I want to pay as little of them as possible. Money should go towards the necessities, not a criminal with a gender identity problem.

Collin

I'd say that's way too young. And the fact that the tax payers are paying this is just ridiculous.

prism

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

The difference being the US hasn't paid for this operation yet, the Germans have.

Yeah I am enraged about some of the things my taxes go towards. That's why I want to pay as little of them as possible. Money should go towards the necessities, not a criminal with a gender identity problem.

the Germans haven't paid for any operation for this twelve year-old either....she has only had some hormone injections

trappedinmyradio

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

No, but the German people shouldn't have to pay because you want to remove your dick and grow your hair out.

you can take the extreme stance too. we're talking about ONE thing here. we're not talking about sex...we're talking about gender-identity. so, go start a thread about adult sex with minors and we'll talk about it. you think that this child walked into a doctor's office and had the operation. that's not how it happened. you have to be more intelligent about it than you are being. note that the individual was evaluated by psychiatrists (maybe she was diagnosed for real instead of just seen for a visit and then precribed medication to treat some wide-open diagnosis). this was not something done on a whim. the surgery isn't complete yet.

trappedinmyradio

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

The difference being the US hasn't paid for this operation yet, the Germans have.

Yeah I am enraged about some of the things my taxes go towards. That's why I want to pay as little of them as possible. Money should go towards the necessities, not a criminal with a gender identity problem.

your tax dollars aren't going towards it...so why does it bother you? is it a question of ethics or morals? and, why would you try to transplant your ethical and/or moral stance onto another?

cornnifer

Butthead: "If I had boobs like that,... I'd never leave the house".

Beavis: "If I had boobs like that,... I'd leave the house to go get a mirror, and look at my boobs. Heh, heh,... heh".

darkcrow

i question the metal maturity of this child and certainly question the doctors who allowed this to occur... but them i am no doctor so what do i know?

i guess it cuts both ways. the kid culd be right and the german govt has saved her from growing up in a very difficult and confused state...

she might realise she actually wants to be a boy and she was just going through, for want of a better description, "teen angst".

i hope she is getting continual mental and physical checks just in case. i guess we will not really discover what will happen to her until she is 21 or something

The Illinoisemakers

prism wrote:

the Germans haven't paid for any operation for this twelve year-old either....she has only had some hormone injections

Give me a break. Call it whatever you want, but the German taxpayers still paid 40,000 for hormone injections to help change this boys gender.

trappedinmyradio

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Give me a break. Call it whatever you want, but the German taxpayers still paid 40,000 for hormone injections to help change this boys gender.

miller8966 wrote:

Psychiatrists treating her say she was an ‘exceptional case – a person clearly in the wrong body’, even though the decision to grant her wishes when she was so young is still the subject of intense debate.

so, you know more than psychiatrists evaluating the individual?

soulsinging

trappedinmyradio wrote:

i'm talking about the situation at hand. you find it repulsive and i disagree. if you want me opinion then ask...or, don't ask...

cigarette and liquor laws are in place for the health of the person. if a person under the age of 18 demonstrated that they are capable of forming an intelligent, read opinion on politics then i say let them vote...they can't do any worse then the present electorate.

but, the personal decision of someone to have a sex change doesn't bother me. it doesn't affect me, and it doesn't affect you. if a child wants to smoke and drink, i don't fucking care. let them. i have never passed judgment on someone for smoking...i've passed judgment on them smoking where it affects me.

if you want to take it to the extreme based on my statement about not judging people then that's fine. it's ridiculous, but it's fine. why? because neither my opinion nor your opinion controls in germany. it doesn't even control here. so, it doesn't really matter.

i see that you are fine with transplanting your personal feelings on the matter onto a person whom you neither know nor care about. because, in the end, this individual will be happier and more fulfilled as she is now. but, if not, you're not going to be the to help her through it. i won't be there either. but, i respect the decisions that people make for themselves.

i dont find it repulsive, i find it fucking stupid that they let kids make a decision like that. if cigarettes and alcohol have a "health effect" that merits government regulation, how does major surgery that alters the very sex of a child not have a "health effect"?

soulsinging

miller8966 wrote:

Its a 12 year old... If this is the case than do you think a 12 yr old having sex with the 25 yr old is ok because its consentual?

i cant believ i agree with miller. how is this different? 12 year olds can consent to a sex change but not sex?

The Illinoisemakers

trappedinmyradio wrote:

your tax dollars aren't going towards it...so why does it bother you? is it a question of ethics or morals? and, why would you try to transplant your ethical and/or moral stance onto another?

Maybe you should break out of your radio and join everyone else in the real world.

Hey if the German people are happy to pay for this operation at 40,000 a crack go for it. I just don't think it is the government's responsibility to fund this.

How am I transplanting my ethical and moral stance onto others. This is my personal opinion, everyone has a right to think however they want on this issue. Seriously whatever your listening to inside your radio, you should change the station.

The Illinoisemakers

trappedinmyradio wrote:

so, you know more than psychiatrists evaluating the individual?

Where are you I am willing to drive there and take my axe and help get you out of your radio.

I have never said I know more then a psychiatrist. I'm sure this boy/girl does have some issues, and I'm all for having them dealt with. I just don't think TAXPAYERS should foot the bill.

prism

soulsinging wrote:

i cant believ i agree with miller. how is this different? 12 year olds can consent to a sex change but not sex?

gender IDENTITY has nothing at all to do with having sex

soulsinging

prism wrote:

gender IDENTITY has nothing at all to do with having sex

no, and gender and sex are not the same either. one is a social construct and the other is biological. the bottom line is at 12 years old, in the midst of a very confused and emotionally unstable time for every person, with hormones raging, is NOT the time to be making life-altering decisions.

prism

soulsinging wrote:

no, and gender and sex are not the same either. one is a social construct and the other is biological. the bottom line is at 12 years old, in the midst of a very confused and emotionally unstable time for every person, with hormones raging, is NOT the time to be making life-altering decisions.

maybe (because I'm not a peditrician or a psychiatrist) that's the best time to be giving her the hormones before any of those male hormones take ahold and really make her go nutty. maybe if she's getting female hormones all through puberty that makes the process smoother. it's not like she's having her wang wacked....errr....cut off

trappedinmyradio

soulsinging wrote:

i dont find it repulsive, i find it fucking stupid that they let kids make a decision like that. if cigarettes and alcohol have a "health effect" that merits government regulation, how does major surgery that alters the very sex of a child not have a "health effect"?

a child didn't make the decision...intelligent individuals made the decision that the child was correct in assessing the situation.

Kann

prism wrote:

maybe (because I'm not a peditrician or a psychiatrist) that's the best time to be giving her the hormones before any of those male hormones take ahold and really make her go nutty. maybe if she's getting female hormones all through puberty that makes the process smoother. it's not like she's having her wang wacked....errr....cut off

Actually, from what I know, puberty is the wrong age to go messing around with hormones.
If I'm correct (well, in fact I am) hormones have a lot (if not all) to do with sex drive for example (I won't bother looking it up but a patch to enhance lust - based on hormones - is on sale in some countries). Other biological studies show the brain keeps on changing throughout puberty under hormone stimulation. And by "the brain" I mean your psyche as well. I can't even believe an actual md had the right to do such a thing, and I can't understand how there are no laws on this subject.
ps : to the threadstarter, do you have the source?

trappedinmyradio

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Where are you I am willing to drive there and take my axe and help get you out of your radio.

I have never said I know more then a psychiatrist. I'm sure this boy/girl does have some issues, and I'm all for having them dealt with. I just don't think TAXPAYERS should foot the bill.

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Give me a break. Call it whatever you want, but the German taxpayers still paid 40,000 for hormone injections to help change this boys gender.

you said that...you called this individual a boy after, in the initial post, a psychiatrist was quoted as stating that this was an extreme case where a girl was stuck in a boy's body...thus placing your judgment above that of a trained professional.

you are transplanting your mora/ethic stance on someone else by condemning the government for paying to "fix" a person.

oh, and, i'm in west virginia...come on over...we can smash beer cans on our heads after you rescue me from my radio.

trappedinmyradio

soulsinging wrote:

i dont find it repulsive, i find it fucking stupid that they let kids make a decision like that. if cigarettes and alcohol have a "health effect" that merits government regulation, how does major surgery that alters the very sex of a child not have a "health effect"?

you are smarter than this...you know what regulation related to health of the populus means. not altering the sex of the child would be adverse...not changing the sex of the child.