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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    NoK wrote:
    No worries. You should visit more than Dubai the next time you are in the area. It would be worth it. Trust me.

    I would love to. unfortuantly I was on the company dime and had a schedule. its a goal of mine to visit Iraq and Iran one day. I''m big into history and thats where it started.
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I would love to. unfortuantly I was on the company dime and had a schedule. its a goal of mine to visit Iraq and Iran one day. I''m big into history and thats where it started.

    Iraqi history has been eroded. It's a shame but most of the artifacts are being sold on the world black market to the highest bidder.

    I would like to visit Iran too as I have heard it is a very nice place to visit.

    You should visit Beirut if you would like an experience never to be forgotten. Also, the red sea either around Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Yemen are beautiful places to visit.

    If you are in Lebanon, the trip to Syria is very short and worth it. The country is so cheap you will literally cry.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Well in any event Iraq is a mess from every angle, the current US political system has become a mess, and those that support their disaster of a plan are also messed up.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Given to...
    Given to... Wyoming Posts: 5,007
    I was just going to go on record that Bush would be seen as a failure and that this period of time seems to be defining era where politics became so partisan and ugly IMO. But... I really appreciate the intelligence pro and con that your can find on this board.

    makes you wanna just sit back, grab a glas of red wine, put on your favorite "boots" and do some real thinkin'

    Peace
    "...would you like some forks?" EV 12-02-06
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Kann wrote:
    Or you are confused with the word : figuratively.
    In any dictionnary humane means :
    "marked or motivated by concern with the alleviation of suffering
    showing evidence of moral and intellectual advancement "
    If we have to use only the litteral meaning of words we're bound to stop expressing any feeling except "i'm hungry, i'm thirsty, i want to procreate".

    If you can come up with a fool proof measure of intelligence, you will make psychologists really happy.

    Likewise, if you can come up with an uncontested moral code, you will make politicians very happy.

    But the word used was "human", not "humane", and like "civil", "humane" is a matter of opinion.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jaamfaan wrote:
    I was just going to go on record that Bush would be seen as a failure and that this period of time seems to be defining era where politics became so partisan and ugly IMO. But... I really appreciate the intelligence pro and con that your can find on this board.

    makes you wanna just sit back, grab a glas of red wine, put on your favorite "boots" and do some real thinkin'

    Peace

    Alcohol inhibits the frontal region of the brain, called the executive region, for it's role in higher intellectual thought. I would suggest that drinking before a serious decision is probably bad.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if more inhumane techniques were used I would have more of a problem with it. (breaking bones, cutting off fingers/hands, beatings) and the fact that we have used waterboarding in the past does bother me. but I can understand why its used. honestly, I hope it never happens again.

    Why do you understand why it is used?
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    puremagic wrote:
    Why do you understand why it is used?

    because if it came down to doing something like waterboarding in order to potentially prevent hundreds of thousands of american's dying, then I understand that extreme measures need to be used to get that information.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    because if it came down to doing something like waterboarding in order to potentially prevent hundreds of thousands of american's dying, then I understand that extreme measures need to be used to get that information.

    It could also result in a false alarm.

    People under stress will confabulate to please their captures.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It could also result in a false alarm.

    People under stress will confabulate to please their captures.

    yea I agree. but sometimes it works....so sometimes in times of absolute crisis, drastic measures must be used.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea I agree. but sometimes it works....so sometimes in times of absolute crisis, drastic measures must be used.


    Sometimes electro shock therapy will relieve a person's depression.

    Sometimes a frontal labotomy will relieve depression.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sometimes electro shock therapy will relieve a person's depression.

    Sometimes a frontal labotomy will relieve depression.

    sometimes a punch in the face will knock some teeth out

    sometimes a kick in the balls will make one throw up
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    jlew24asu wrote:
    because if it came down to doing something like waterboarding in order to potentially prevent hundreds of thousands of american's dying, then I understand that extreme measures need to be used to get that information.

    To protect our own, you advocate by any means necessary. Doesn't every country have the right to protect their own? It can't be reserved just for the selected few. To me this is where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice failed the American people. Terrorism is not a defeatable country, its a state of mind, so we just keep deteriorating until we are morally no better than that which we claim to be fighting. So where are we headed, what state of mind are we guiding the global community?
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I agree with neither. Islamic extremism is more violent and in greater size then extreme christianity.

    Tell that to the natives of the Americas, and to those persecuted in Europe over the centuries.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Tell that to the natives of the Americas, and to those persecuted in Europe over the centuries.

    I like to stick with the present day. but thanks for sharing.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    A little more of what I'm saying

    http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=145&a=4258

    "Oil prices to jump to 200 dollars a barrel if USA invades Iran, Chavez says

    Oil prices will jump to $200 a barrel if the US invades Iran, which would cut off supply, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said.

    "If the US happens to invade Iran, oil will not just reach $100, but $200 per barrel," Chavez said. "Not one drop of oil will leave Iran" in an invasion.

    "The same would happen here," as the people of the country will halt exports, he said.

    Hugo Chavez, who met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad twice this year, said November 11 that he was going to make another visit to Iran in the next several days.

    Oil prices of $80 to $100 a barrel are "fair" and Venezuela will seek to keep prices in that range, Chavez said.

    "We seek stabilization at $100 a barrel for several years," Chavez said at a press conference on Wednesday in Caracas. He said prices over the past 30 years were "very low" and that $100 oil today was, after inflation, similar to the $30 oil experienced in 1973 and 1974. "


    Right or wrong. That is how it's going to play out. Not mention China getting agitated.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    A little more of what I'm saying

    http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=145&a=4258

    "Oil prices to jump to 200 dollars a barrel if USA invades Iran, Chavez says

    Oil prices will jump to $200 a barrel if the US invades Iran, which would cut off supply, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said.

    "If the US happens to invade Iran, oil will not just reach $100, but $200 per barrel," Chavez said. "Not one drop of oil will leave Iran" in an invasion.

    "The same would happen here," as the people of the country will halt exports, he said.

    Hugo Chavez, who met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad twice this year, said November 11 that he was going to make another visit to Iran in the next several days.

    Oil prices of $80 to $100 a barrel are "fair" and Venezuela will seek to keep prices in that range, Chavez said.

    "We seek stabilization at $100 a barrel for several years," Chavez said at a press conference on Wednesday in Caracas. He said prices over the past 30 years were "very low" and that $100 oil today was, after inflation, similar to the $30 oil experienced in 1973 and 1974. "


    Right or wrong. That is how it's going to play out. Not mention China getting agitated.


    so you are saying oil prices will go up if we invade Iran? man you are a fucking genius.
  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why? do you need to gather information from me? waterboarding isnt done when people get bored or for shits and giggles.

    easy on the font. we can all read and see just fine.

    um, 'cause you're the one saying it's not torture. if it's not, then maybe you wouldn't mind demonstrating how easy it is to endure. :confused:

    maybe you DO need larger fonts. you seem easily confused.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

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  • sweetpotato
    sweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I like to stick with the present day. but thanks for sharing.

    yes, because we all know how tedious the study of history can be. just ask the smirking chimp.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    sweetpotato wrote:
    um, 'cause you're the one saying it's not torture. if it's not, then maybe you wouldn't mind demonstrating how easy it is to endure. :confused:

    maybe you DO need larger fonts. you seem easily confused.

    no I'm not confused at all. using waterboarding isnt a game. if I had information regarding a potential attack on america. then bring it.

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