There is more than one God

Ahnimus
Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
edited April 2007 in A Moving Train
Right from the Bible check it out. There is more than one God and they do not want us to live forever.

1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Interesting anyway, heard this on a Caltech conference, the speaker was John Hartung
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  • ForestBrain
    ForestBrain Posts: 460
    Uh. God is talking to Jesus there.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Here is the original video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czhRLNzjL08

    My apologies, scriptures were taken from Genesis, KJV.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mrwalkerb
    mrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Uh. God is talking to Jesus there.

    I thought he made angels first? so he would be refering to him and the angels?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Uh. God is talking to Jesus there.

    Wouldn't he be essentially talking to himself then?

    Or couldn't they use telepathy or simply 'know' what each other intends?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    *grabs an apple off the nearest tree, and waits*
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I don't want to live forever. Guess I'm in God's favor.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ForestBrain
    ForestBrain Posts: 460
    If people would actually read the whole Bible, they would know (depending on whether or not they believe the Bible) that Jesus was always with God. He didn't just appear when he was born. He spoke with Abraham, too. There is a verse in the Bible that goes on about how Jesus was with God when he created the earth. The Word has always been too, but people wouldn't believe that little tidbit.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    *grabs an apple off the nearest tree, and waits*

    Have you ever tossed a pack of sausages into a pen of wild dogs?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • ForestBrain
    ForestBrain Posts: 460
    God and Jesus are one. But the only way I could make that make sense in terms you'de understand is that when you get married to somebody, you basically become one person. Depending on if you love each other that much.
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ForestBrain wrote:
    If people would actually read the whole Bible, they would know (depending on whether or not they believe the Bible) that Jesus was always with God. He didn't just appear when he was born. He spoke with Abraham, too. There is a verse in the Bible that goes on about how Jesus was with God when he created the earth. The Word has always been too, but people wouldn't believe that little tidbit.

    So Jesus is not the 'Son' of God then, but a minion of God whom God beat into submission in some earlier cosmological battle?

    How did Jesus come to be if he was always with God?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    he was tripping balls on magic mushrooms at the time. i mean seriously... an apple that contains all the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of paradise?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    ForestBrain wrote:
    God and Jesus are one. But the only way I could make that make sense in terms you'de understand is that when you get married to somebody, you basically become one person. Depending on if you love each other that much.

    Even that doesn't make sense to me :p
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Have you ever tossed a pack of sausages into a pen of wild dogs?

    ....but I've opened a pack of catnip, tossed it on the floor, and watched my cats go nuts.

    Unfortunately, Ahnimus, I am going to bed now and should not have started a debate with you this late in the evening. So perhaps we can continue this on a different night, if not in a different light?

    Peace,

    Bu
    Feels Good Inc.
  • ForestBrain
    ForestBrain Posts: 460
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So Jesus is not the 'Son' of God then, but a minion of God whom God beat into submission in some earlier cosmological battle?

    How did Jesus come to be if he was always with God?
    Because he is the Son of God. God sent him to earth not only to fulfill his word, but because if he'd not died on the cross then remission of sins would have been much, much harder. But because he died on the cross, salvation is for anybody.
    Wait a minute.....is there a point in discussing this with you? Or do you just not believe it and feel like arguing with people?
    When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Bu2 wrote:
    ....but I've opened a pack of catnip, tossed it on the floor, and watched my cats go nuts.

    Unfortunately, Ahnimus, I am going to bed now and should not have started a debate with you this late in the evening. So perhaps we can continue this on a different night, if not in a different light?

    Peace,

    Bu

    Ok...
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Right from the Bible check it out. There is more than one God and they do not want us to live forever.

    1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

    3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

    Interesting anyway, heard this on a Caltech conference, the speaker was John Hartung


    Is this from the King James Bible? The royal "we" might explain it.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Is this from the King James Bible? The royal "we" might explain it.

    The third one is, the first two I may have got from the new version on biblegateway.com I didn't check the version. Essentially it says the same thing, although the new version I've heard does try to reduce it to one God.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • bookmuse
    bookmuse Posts: 277
    soulsinging wrote:
    he was tripping balls on magic mushrooms at the time. i mean seriously... an apple that contains all the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of paradise?


    Haha


    For me-
    Offense #1
    And the Bible blames Eve (woman) for the hurt and death of all that will live. No paradise because of this apple.

    Offense#2
    How did all of mankind start from the union of two people. Kids would have had to procreate with siblings and on and on - Incest - no wonder this world has so many lunatics, yes?

    so many more. There are great lessons written by man in this Bible but there is a lot of hate, fear and prejudice taught as well.
    "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes" ~ M Kuhn
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    bookmuse wrote:
    Haha


    For me-
    Offense #1
    And the Bible blames Eve (woman) for the hurt and death of all that will live. No paradise because of this apple.

    Offense#2
    How did all of mankind start from the union of two people. Kids would have had to procreate with siblings and on and on - Incest - no wonder this world has so many lunatics, yes?

    so many more. There are great lessons written by man in this Bible but there is a lot of hate, fear and prejudice taught as well.

    Eh, men?
    Feels Good Inc.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I've read a couple of arguments in the past, that the use of the royal we wouldn't have been "allowed", but back in 1611, there was no such thing as stereotyping of print. No two copies of a printed text would be the same: different "meanings" could easily creep in. And the thing about language is, it's not in the intention, it's in the interpretation. If it was all in the intention, a lot more bad writers would be millionaires!

    I guess what we'd have to do is find sources and analogues for how the Geneva Bible, the Bishop's Bible or the King James version were put together.

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