Why the election is win-win for Republicans...

saveuplife
saveuplife Posts: 1,173
edited November 2008 in A Moving Train
If Obama wins... he'll be out in 4 years due to the state of the economy. If McCain wins, yes, Dems will most likely win in 4, but it will be another 16 year stint for Republicans. This election is important. But, my opinion is that whoever wins (Dem or Rep) that party will be out in four years because the economy is not going to improve anytime soon.

Should be interesting.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    There's two sides to that coin; if within four years' time the economy is able to recover, even if it is due to the normal ebb and flow of economics as opposed to any presidential policies, the party in the White House will receive accolades. Unfairly or not, the guy at the top gets all the credit and/or all the blame. If within four years' time we've recovered that could work positively for whoever's in power.
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    digster wrote:
    There's two sides to that coin; if within four years' time the economy is able to recover, even if it is due to the normal ebb and flow of economics as opposed to any presidential policies, the party in the White House will receive accolades. Unfairly or not, the guy at the top gets all the credit and/or all the blame. If within four years' time we've recovered that could work positively for whoever's in power.


    Totally disagree... simply because people won't forget the next year to two years and the party that takes power will be blamed. That's the way things work in politics.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    saveuplife wrote:
    Totally disagree... simply because people won't forget the next year to two years and the party that takes power will be blamed. That's the way things work in politics.

    If things don't get better, probably. If we enter a depression, continue the recession for years on end, I'd say that's probably true. I don't see many people right now saying that we would be unable to pull out of the hole within four years. If two years goes by and then we climb out, I wouldn't say it's as open and shut as you're making it out to be. But there's no way to know that. We didn't vote out FDR after one term, and no one was calling the mid-thirties a picnic.
  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    More importantly, a dem win now, is a win win for America and the world.
  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    I feel like this election is a lose-lose for everybody.
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    saveuplife wrote:
    Totally disagree... simply because people won't forget the next year to two years and the party that takes power will be blamed. That's the way things work in politics.
    look at your own history, maybe you have heard of Franklin D. Roosevelt, if not....look him up, you might learn something before you make ignorant statements.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    yield6 wrote:
    look at your own history, maybe you have heard of Franklin D. Roosevelt, if not....look him up, you might learn something before you make ignorant statements.

    ahh yes, FDR

    the guy who ignored warnings that Japan was on their way, just so we could enter wwii (allegedly)?

    the guy with direct family connections to the central banking system (bush)?

    the guy who brought us the "new deal," the biggest governemt entitlement program ever? designed to ease the depression, but did nothing?

    the guy who served three terms in office, and would have served a fourth if allowed to do so?

    you mean that guy? I think we know our history plenty well, thanks.

    But staying on topic. A four year hiatus will at least force conservatives to really clarify our beliefs. There's too much division among conservatives, and that's a big reason why barry's gotten this far.
  • DixieN
    DixieN Posts: 351
    An Obama win is a win for the US in the eyes of the world. My daughter has been traveling in Europe these past few months, and everywhere she goes, people are excited about the change in leadership.
  • prytoj
    prytoj Posts: 536
    Again, we shouldn't really care what the weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked europeans think of us.

    I for one absolutely do not. I'll take up my issues in-house, thanks.
  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    prytoj wrote:
    ahh yes, FDR

    the guy who ignored warnings that Japan was on their way, just so we could enter wwii (allegedly)?

    you mean that guy? I think we know our history plenty well, thanks.

    He was making the point (albeit unnecessarily harshly) that although saveuplife made the assertion that voters always hold politicians, and specifically presidents accountable for the hardships that have occurred during their tenure, there is a big contradiction with that statement with FDR. The country slipped further into depression for the first few years of his administration before beginning the climb out, and he won re-election in '37.
  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    prytoj wrote:
    Again, we shouldn't really care what the weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked europeans think of us.

    I for one absolutely do not. I'll take up my issues in-house, thanks.

    You're a right tit.

    Yeah, the EU is real weak. The Euro hasn't been destroying the dollar as the international currency, right? Oh and all the countries that enjoy high standards of living and education... that's real weak too, eh? Frankly, the US's ideal of living to work is pathetic. "Under-worked" Europeans have time to see and understand the world around them, unlike sheltered xenophobe's such as yourself.

    Oh and population declining? Is that somehow a bad thing? This planet cannot sustain the rate of growth that many nations burden it with. Honestly, get a clue.

    Oh and by the way, there are many US citizens living abroad. But again, I bet you're not capable of comprehending that or the fact that the US, for better or worse, carries a lot of internation influence. The rest of the West is waiting for the US to behave like the greatest country in the world it for some reason proclaims to be.
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  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    You're a right tit.

    Yeah, the EU is real weak. The Euro hasn't been destroying the dollar as the international currency, right? Oh and all the countries that enjoy high standards of living and education... that's real weak too, eh? Frankly, the US's ideal of living to work is pathetic. "Under-worked" Europeans have time to see and understand the world around them, unlike sheltered xenophobe's such as yourself.

    Oh and population declining? Is that somehow a bad thing? This planet cannot sustain the rate of growth that many nations burden it with. Honestly, get a clue.

    Oh and by the way, there are many US citizens living abroad. But again, I bet you're not capable of comprehending that or the fact that the US, for better or worse, carries a lot of internation influence. The rest of the West is waiting for the US to behave like the greatest country in the world it for some reason proclaims to be.

    Well, you are a right boob. If you feel the need to call someone a tit.

    If you hadn't noticed the dollar has appreciated ridiculously since the international financial crisis. What's that mean? Um.... people value the dollar more in risky times... and simply risk/reward more on other currencies in better times.

    The way for us to behave well, according to you is to become like you. The reason we are what we are is because we are not like you.... ironically, you know that too.

    We have a higher standard of living and don't live in a socialist society... that's going to bankrupt our children. The fact that you don't see a need for population growth shows your ignorance. You need population growth to keep that welfare society going. That's why your countries are paying people to have children. You just don't see that.

    Population growth increases aggregate demand. Thereby increasing economic growth.
  • dontloseyourheat
    dontloseyourheat Posts: 483
    saveuplife wrote:
    Totally disagree... simply because people won't forget the next year to two years and the party that takes power will be blamed. That's the way things work in politics.


    Very true.

    Experts argue that Clinton's deregulation is to blame for the current economy, however most of the public pins it on Bush.
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    saveuplife wrote:
    If Obama wins... he'll be out in 4 years due to the state of the economy. If McCain wins, yes, Dems will most likely win in 4, but it will be another 16 year stint for Republicans. This election is important. But, my opinion is that whoever wins (Dem or Rep) that party will be out in four years because the economy is not going to improve anytime soon.

    Should be interesting.

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  • SoonForgotten2
    SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    saveuplife wrote:
    Well, you are a right boob. If you feel the need to call someone a tit.

    If you hadn't noticed the dollar has appreciated ridiculously since the international financial crisis. What's that mean? Um.... people value the dollar more in risky times... and simply risk/reward more on other currencies in better times.

    The way for us to behave well, according to you is to become like you. The reason we are what we are is because we are not like you.... ironically, you know that too.

    We have a higher standard of living and don't live in a socialist society... that's going to bankrupt our children. The fact that you don't see a need for population growth shows your ignorance. You need population growth to keep that welfare society going. That's why your countries are paying people to have children. You just don't see that.

    Population growth increases aggregate demand. Thereby increasing economic growth.

    Yes, the dollar has benefitted from the financial crisis that the US has plunged the rest of the global economy into. Well done. Even still, the Euro is holding up well.

    Funny, who is the "us" you even speak of? You take this ignorant us vs them attitude which is a massive part of the problem. It's a global community when it means you can leech whatever you'd like from it, otherwise it's not worth the time, consideration or attention, right? Sure, ignore the advice of the world, just like with Iraq. Tunnelvision, anyone?

    There is massive poverty in the US and the middle class continues to shrink. Even to maintain that means working yourself to death. And what has it gotten everyone? Boatloads of debt, a collapsing economy and for many, no health coverage. Awesome. Meanwhile in the UK we're getting at least 4 weeks paid holiday per year and can get free health care. There's more to life than making money to buy more useless and unnecessary shit. But by all means, keep chasing that American Dream... hopefully you won't wake up in the grave wondering what you did with your life.

    As for population growth, the welfare money isn't going to matter when there's no more room for people and all the natural resources are depeleted. You just dont' see that. The planet cannot sustain the established rate of growth. No amount of welfare money will change that fact.
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  • meistereder
    meistereder Posts: 1,578
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Yes, the dollar has benefitted from the financial crisis that the US has plunged the rest of the global economy into. Well done. Even still, the Euro is holding up well.

    Funny, who is the "us" you even speak of? You take this ignorant us vs them attitude which is a massive part of the problem. It's a global community when it means you can leech whatever you'd like from it, otherwise it's not worth the time, consideration or attention, right? Sure, ignore the advice of the world, just like with Iraq. Tunnelvision, anyone?

    There is massive poverty in the US and the middle class continues to shrink. Even to maintain that means working yourself to death. And what has it gotten everyone? Boatloads of debt, a collapsing economy and for many, no health coverage. Awesome. Meanwhile in the UK we're getting at least 4 weeks paid holiday per year and can get free health care. There's more to life than making money to buy more useless and unnecessary shit. But by all means, keep chasing that American Dream... hopefully you won't wake up in the grave wondering what you did with your life.

    As for population growth, the welfare money isn't going to matter when there's no more room for people and all the natural resources are depeleted. You just dont' see that. The planet cannot sustain the established rate of growth. No amount of welfare money will change that fact.

    Just know that there are many Americans who agree with you. I am one.
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  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    saveuplife wrote:
    Well, you are a right boob. If you feel the need to call someone a tit.

    If you hadn't noticed the dollar has appreciated ridiculously since the international financial crisis. What's that mean? Um.... people value the dollar more in risky times... and simply risk/reward more on other currencies in better times.

    The way for us to behave well, according to you is to become like you. The reason we are what we are is because we are not like you.... ironically, you know that too.

    We have a higher standard of living and don't live in a socialist society... that's going to bankrupt our children. The fact that you don't see a need for population growth shows your ignorance. You need population growth to keep that welfare society going. That's why your countries are paying people to have children. You just don't see that.

    Population growth increases aggregate demand. Thereby increasing economic growth.
    Ummm...we don't have a higher standard of living...we rank like 12th in the world in that...behind 11 countries with higher levels of social welfare mixed with capitalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index.

    Note: wiki isn't a great source i know, but you can follow the links to the real stuff, and it all checks out.
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    prytoj wrote:
    Again, we shouldn't really care what the weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked europeans think of us.

    I for one absolutely do not. I'll take up my issues in-house, thanks.
    Aren't you a little xenophobe? Or at least ignorant? I understand you don't care what the rest of the world thinks about you, but for your own culture please educate yourself (and consider travelling, it might do you good)
    saveuplife wrote:
    We have a higher standard of living and don't live in a socialist society... that's going to bankrupt our children. The fact that you don't see a need for population growth shows your ignorance. You need population growth to keep that welfare society going. That's why your countries are paying people to have children. You just don't see that.

    Population growth increases aggregate demand. Thereby increasing economic growth.
    2 things :
    1 - fighting for whose country is better is a little bit stupid (but prytoj's post was really insulting)
    2 - in what world would a "socialist" european country bankrupt its children more than the US when the US has the highest national debt ever seen?

    As for the win-win part, I still don't understand how Obama will fuck up the economy? I'm not saying he'll be a good president, but I fail to see how you can say raising taxes may cripple your economy when its pretty obvious the tax cuts did cripple your economy?
  • bernmodi
    bernmodi Posts: 631
    saveuplife wrote:
    We have a higher standard of living ...

    Joke of the week - if it wasn't so sad for so many people in your country.

    The fact that you might have more ice-cream flavors doesn't mean higher standard of living. When did you visit Europe the last time?
  • Vedder316
    Vedder316 Posts: 205
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    I feel like this election is a lose-lose for everybody.
    Couldn't agree more.
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