Why the election is win-win for Republicans...

Obi Once

saveuplife wrote:

The way for us to behave well, according to you is to become like you. The reason we are what we are is because we are not like you.... ironically, you know that too.

The reason you are in the economical mess is because you are indeed not like us.

The reason we have banks loaning money from the government is because they invested in the US.

We have a higher standard of living and don't live in a socialist society... that's going to bankrupt our children. The fact that you don't see a need for population growth shows your ignorance. You need population growth to keep that welfare society going. That's why your countries are paying people to have children. You just don't see that.

You're 'higher standard of living' (really?, yeah really!?) is borrowed, next generations, higher numbers or not, will have to pay for it. I'm not claiming the US does not have the means to improve economically, but so far it's "the weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked" European countries topping the lists.

Population growth increases aggregate demand. Thereby increasing economic growth.

True, but if it's just the dumb 'real' part of the US booming babies I only see a growth in ignorance ahead.

NOCODE#1

saveuplife wrote:

Totally disagree... simply because people won't forget the next year to two years and the party that takes power will be blamed. That's the way things work in politics.

no after reagan fucked up the economy bush sr had to deal with it, which in 92 led the way for 8 glorious years of economic prosperity.

NOCODE#1

prytoj wrote:

ahh yes, FDR

the guy who ignored warnings that Japan was on their way, just so we could enter wwii (allegedly)?

the guy with direct family connections to the central banking system (bush)?

the guy who brought us the "new deal," the biggest governemt entitlement program ever? designed to ease the depression, but did nothing?

the guy who served three terms in office, and would have served a fourth if allowed to do so?

you mean that guy? I think we know our history plenty well, thanks.

But staying on topic. A four year hiatus will at least force conservatives to really clarify our beliefs. There's too much division among conservatives, and that's a big reason why barry's gotten this far.

wow it's almost if you are totally ignoring history's postive enshrinement of FDR. the internet makes me laugh. all kinds of people who that get their info from talk radio come on and spout out bullshit.

saveuplife

ryan198 wrote:

Ummm...we don't have a higher standard of living...we rank like 12th in the world in that...behind 11 countries with higher levels of social welfare mixed with capitalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index.

Note: wiki isn't a great source i know, but you can follow the links to the real stuff, and it all checks out.

Please read the links you post. The HDI is a function of the standard of living.... it uses:

Standard of living, as measured by the natural logarithm of gross domestic product (GDP) per capita at purchasing power parity (PPP) in United States dollars.

...as one of three components.

U.S. has one of the highest rankings in terms of "standard of living" (atleast the measure you used for this HDI index) as I've said before.

saveuplife

Obi Once wrote:

The reason you are in the economical mess is because you are indeed not like us. .

I hate to correct you, but "WE" are in this economic mess. Europe is 100% reliant on the U.S. for growth. When we slow our consumption,... you and the developing world suffer. That's just a fact.

Obi Once wrote:

You're 'higher standard of living' (really?, yeah really!?) is borrowed, next generations, higher numbers or not, will have to pay for it. I'm not claiming the US does not have the means to improve economically, but so far it's "the weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked" European countries topping the lists. .

Once again, standard of living is simply a component of the HDI index. An index that IMHO serves only the purpose of increasing qausi-socialist rankings. That index does not include the quality of health care (which U.S. would top) and it never would, because it's sole purpose was to boost socialist style countries to complete with the U.S. in terms of a quasi-made up standard of living.

Obi Once wrote:

True, but if it's just the dumb 'real' part of the US booming babies I only see a growth in ignorance ahead.

You're calling the U.S. dumb? Come on, grow up.

saveuplife

bernmodi wrote:

Joke of the week - if it wasn't so sad for so many people in your country.

The fact that you might have more ice-cream flavors doesn't mean higher standard of living. When did you visit Europe the last time?

I lived in Europe for about a year. Europe is a fantastic place. However, economic beacon, it is not.... nor ever will be given it's push towards socialism.

That said, the U.S. IMHO, better be careful to not follow that European direction. Because I personally believe we will if we elect Democrats.

Longer term, countries that have less "welfare components", tend to grow faster economically speaking and in terms of standard of living.

YieldInHiding

saveuplife wrote:

If Obama wins... he'll be out in 4 years due to the state of the economy. If McCain wins, yes, Dems will most likely win in 4, but it will be another 16 year stint for Republicans. This election is important. But, my opinion is that whoever wins (Dem or Rep) that party will be out in four years because the economy is not going to improve anytime soon.

Should be interesting.

In my opinion you're looking for some sort of rationalization why you shouldn't feel bad "your guy" didn't win. Congrats!

In all seriousness...the state of the economy will play a role in who is elected next. If it is still in shambles, we could see a President Romney. Don't think he's not going to run next time. If the economy ends up recovering strongly,(which I think it will between now and 3.5 years from now when the next primary season begins) whoever is President will most likely get re-elected.

Also, if Obama wins and things haven't improved in two years, you will see another resurgence of Republicans in congress in order to rein in the spending if it is perceived to be out of control like it was in 1994 when Clinton and the Congressional Democrats had power for two years.

prytoj

NOCODE#1 wrote:

wow it's almost if you are totally ignoring history's postive enshrinement of FDR. the internet makes me laugh. all kinds of people who that get their info from talk radio come on and spout out bullshit.

He was a great leader during wwii. He was a good president. Not a great president.

And I am fairly well versed on the history of FDR, and my analysis is he gets too much credit for the sacrifice made by the greatest generation to protect this nation and the world from tyranny.

Furthermore, it was the war itself which lifted the United States out of the Great Depression, not the New Deal.

Gonzo1977

prytoj wrote:

Furthermore, it was the war itself which lifted the United States out of the Great Depression, not the New Deal.

Hense our feeble attempts to stimulate our economy by means of war ever since.

Gonzo1977

saveuplife wrote:

If Obama wins... he'll be out in 4 years due to the state of the economy. If McCain wins, yes, Dems will most likely win in 4, but it will be another 16 year stint for Republicans. This election is important. But, my opinion is that whoever wins (Dem or Rep) that party will be out in four years because the economy is not going to improve anytime soon.

Should be interesting.

Yeah.
That's what they said about Clinton.

The GOP is really going to have to redefine it's approach if they're going to have a shot in 2012.

Their current lineup of Mitt, The Huckster, and Palin isn't exactly strong.

prytoj

Kann wrote:

Aren't you a little xenophobe? Or at least ignorant? I understand you don't care what the rest of the world thinks about you, but for your own culture please educate yourself (and consider travelling, it might do you good)

from wiki:
Xenophobia is an intense dislike and/or fear of people from other countries. It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "foreigner," "stranger," and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners or of people significantly different from oneself.

dude, you're shot. I do have an intense dislike of you, and I view you as an enemy of patriotism. You are supremely ignorant.

that said, I like folks from all over the world (based on individual merit), I'm pretty willing to bet I am far more traveled that yourself. No immigrant is missing the next train here, and I say welcome. I just don't give a shit what euros (or any other nation states) think about our policies, and I think the United States would do well to retain it's own identity and, to that end, apathy towards the attitudes of lesser democracies.

I'll make the analogy of taking my political advice from my 2 year old daughter.

fair enough?

beachdweller

saveuplife wrote:

If Obama wins... he'll be out in 4 years due to the state of the economy. If McCain wins, yes, Dems will most likely win in 4, but it will be another 16 year stint for Republicans. This election is important. But, my opinion is that whoever wins (Dem or Rep) that party will be out in four years because the economy is not going to improve anytime soon.

Should be interesting.

funny, Republican party is through for awhile, if Obama doesn't increase the federal budget size, and raise taxes on 95% of Americans like he has stated, which means controlling a Democratic congress from getting out of control like the Republican congress did under Bush, then it'll be Democratic rule for the foreseeable future.

If Barak is a failure, Hillary will run, and beat any Republican

Kann

prytoj wrote:

I'll make the analogy of taking my political advice from my 2 year old daughter.

fair enough?

Fair enough. However please take note that my problem was with your description of europeans as "weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked". Not with your refusing to take in consideration what other people think about your countries policies.
ps : the "xenophobe" was more related to the fear of all that is foreign (culture, ideas etc.) rather than the people.

EP1973

beachdweller wrote:

funny, Republican party is through for awhile, if Obama doesn't increase the federal budget size, and raise taxes on 95% of Americans like he has stated, which means controlling a Democratic congress from getting out of control like the Republican congress did under Bush, then it'll be Democratic rule for the foreseeable future.

If Barak is a failure, Hillary will run, and beat any Republican

IMO, Mark Warner will be the next Dem. President after Obama.

prytoj

Kann wrote:

Fair enough. However please take note that my problem was with your description of europeans as "weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked". Not with your refusing to take in consideration what other people think about your countries policies.
ps : the "xenophobe" was more related to the fear of all that is foreign (culture, ideas etc.) rather than the people.

I guess I could give my last name and remove all question in regards to xenophobe, but suffice to say....

and we can debate views of the EU, I'm cool with that. But I stand by that statement 100%, even if I could have been a little nicer about it, like nothinghead

"You know, as much as I am in favor of the United States building good international relationships--I don't think who foreigners would like to see as President of the United States will be high on my voting criteria. "

ryan198

prytoj wrote:

from wiki:
Xenophobia is an intense dislike and/or fear of people from other countries. It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "foreigner," "stranger," and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear." The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners or of people significantly different from oneself.

dude, you're shot. I do have an intense dislike of you, and I view you as an enemy of patriotism. You are supremely ignorant.

that said, I like folks from all over the world (based on individual merit), I'm pretty willing to bet I am far more traveled that yourself. No immigrant is missing the next train here, and I say welcome. I just don't give a shit what euros (or any other nation states) think about our policies, and I think the United States would do well to retain it's own identity and, to that end, apathy towards the attitudes of lesser democracies.

I'll make the analogy of taking my political advice from my 2 year old daughter.

fair enough?

lesser democracy? that's questionable for capitalism does not necessarily equal democracy. in fact the way we practice capitalism is far from a democracy. it's a simple mythology that we American's continue to fall for.

beachdweller

EP1973 wrote:

IMO, Mark Warner will be the next Dem. President after Obama.

I like Mark Warner, though I don't know a whole lot about him.

I can see Biden only being VP for one term if all goes well for Obama to help set up the next Democrat candidate in 2016. I like Claire McCaskill from Missouri. She's been as vocal a freshman Senator as any I can remember.

Anon

prytoj wrote:

I just don't give a shit what euros (or any other nation states) think about our policies, and I think the United States would do well to retain it's own identity and, to that end, apathy towards the attitudes of lesser democracies.

USA! USA! USA!
ME! ME! ME!

We can make poor decisions that impact the rest of the world, but fuck you! Meh. Deal with it fuckers. We're awesome.

You sir, are an idiot of the highest calibre.

dignin

Pj_Gurl wrote:

USA! USA! USA!
ME! ME! ME!

We can make poor decisions that impact the rest of the world, but fuck you! Meh. Deal with it fuckers. We're awesome.

You sir, are an idiot of the highest calibre.

you have to forgive him, hes a little bitter about the forthcoming events of tommorow

Jeremy1012

prytoj wrote:

Again, we shouldn't really care what the weak, quasi-socialist, welfare and entitlement riddled, population declining, and overly taxed and under-worked europeans think of us.

I for one absolutely do not. I'll take up my issues in-house, thanks.

Haha, you're cracked.