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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    And I view you as intuitively ignorant.
    As you wish.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    The ultimate cause of the disease is unknown. Genetic factors are known to be important, and dominant mutations in three different genes have been identified.

    What's interesting about Alzheimers in this debate is that it affects the way people think by causally affecting the causality of the brain which causally determines what a person thinks and does.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's interesting about Alzheimers in this debate is that it affects the way people think by causally affecting the causality of the brain which causally determines what a person thinks and does.

    I know. My great grandfather, grandmother, and aunt have or are suffering from the disease.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's interesting about Alzheimers in this debate is that it affects the way people think by causally affecting the causality of the brain which causally determines what a person thinks and does.
    Which, interestingly reminds me of what rigidly following the causality of life does to one--causes them to see all aspects of life in terms of causality, without the balance of seeing what just is.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    So again how would people with genetic disease be weeded out.

    Well, it's quite likely they won't because of our morality.

    If we let everyone die naturally, that would be a different story. I don't propose we do that. I'm not even sure why we are discussing this.

    All of physical matter, including our brains is determined by the laws of the universe. That was my point, any libertarianist view of humans is complete horseshit.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Which, interestingly reminds me of what rigidly following the causality of life does to one--causes them to see all aspects of life in terms of causality, without the balance of seeing what just is.

    I look at what is, and I look at the causality. I look at it for every fucking angle. Why don't you look at the causality for a change?
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So again how would people with genetic disease be weeded out.

    Well, it's quite likely they won't because of our morality.

    If we let everyone die naturally, that would be a different story. I don't propose we do that. I'm not even sure why we are discussing this.

    All of physical matter, including our brains is determined by the laws of the universe. That was my point, any libertarianist view of humans is complete horseshit.

    Well I see it the other way. It's my stance that believing that our actions are determined by the Laws of the Universe is horseshit.
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    People with genetic defects will never be weeded out because of recessive mutations. Like you say, nature doesn't care and already found a way around evolution.
    And once again Ahnimus, science is a philosophy, you are warned that nothing you find can be held for an absolute truth but a series of principles you continuously test against reality (experiences) until they are proven wrong. When this happens a shift is made and new principles are tested. You were talking about mutations, take a look at the history of genetics, the truth has changed since the 70's.
    And why isn't this thread about libertarian ideology anymore?
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I look at what is, and I look at the causality. I look at it for every fucking angle. Why don't you look at the causality for a change?
    You said last week that theory describing what our brain chemicals tell us is more real than our human experience. By being so tied to theory at the expense of reality, you completely minimized the very real aspect of Ahnimus the dude, sitting at the computer having a debate with peope on the internet. If you're comfortable existing on the theoretical plane and overlooking the human WITH the brain chemistry, that's fine. However I don't see that you're left with much of a leg to stand on when insulting people's ability to perceive life.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Kann wrote:
    People with genetic defects will never be weeded out because of recessive mutations. Like you say, nature doesn't care and already found a way around evolution.
    And once again Ahnimus, science is a philosophy, you are warned that nothing you find can be held for an absolute truth but a series of principles you continuously test against reality until they are proven wrong. When this happens a shift is made and new principles are tested. You were talking about mutations, take a look at the history of genetics, the truth has changed since the 70's.
    And why isn't this thread about libertarian ideology anymore?

    Because Ahnimus hi-jacked it.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    You said last week that theory describing what our brain chemicals tell us is more real than our human experience. By being so tied to theory at the expense of reality, you completely minimized the very real aspect of Ahnimus the dude, sitting at the computer having a debate with peope on the internet. If you're comfortable existing on the theoretical plane and overlooking the human WITH the brain chemistry, that's fine. However I don't see that you're left with much of a leg to stand on when insulting people's ability to perceive life.

    It's not like that. It's just blatantly obvious.

    I enjoy my life, I have fun, I seek out pleasure and avoid pain. All the same shit you do, I just do it with reality in mind.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Kann wrote:
    People with genetic defects will never be weeded out because of recessive mutations. Like you say, nature doesn't care and already found a way around evolution.
    And once again Ahnimus, science is a philosophy, you are warned that nothing you find can be held for an absolute truth but a series of principles you continuously test against reality (experiences) until they are proven wrong. When this happens a shift is made and new principles are tested. You were talking about mutations, take a look at the history of genetics, the truth has changed since the 70's.
    And why isn't this thread about libertarian ideology anymore?

    It is, but if we can't agree on what a human is, then we aren't going to agree on politics either, am I right?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not like that. It's just blatantly obvious.

    I enjoy my life, I have fun, I seek out pleasure and avoid pain. All the same shit you do, I just do it with reality in mind.


    But who is to say that others aren't doing the samething with reality in mind. Just because we do not share your opinion does not mean that our sense of reality is any less accute.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It is, but if we can't agree on what a human is, then we aren't going to agree on politics either, am I right?

    We can agree on what a human is and still disagree on politics and vice versa.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    But who is to say that others aren't doing the samething with reality in mind. Just because we do not share your opinion does not mean that our sense of reality is any less accute.

    Your sense is less accute if you don't acknowledge reality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It is, but if we can't agree on what a human is, then we aren't going to agree on politics either, am I right?

    I'd see that the other way around. What is your political stance?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Kann wrote:
    I'd see that the other way around. What is your political stance?

    A new system needs to be created. Something like Communism with a different name. Possibly anarchy. But I'm far more concerned with self-perception.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not like that. It's just blatantly obvious.

    I enjoy my life, I have fun, I seek out pleasure and avoid pain. All the same shit you do, I just do it with reality in mind.
    You've continually tried to prove how a few details and a theory is more real than "reality". All you've proven is what your maps direct you to.

    so when you say: I look at what is, and I look at the causality." ...after arguing how the theory is the real reality and that no one else is sane or realistic, you've got yourself in a bit of a self-imposed bind.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Your sense is less accute if you don't acknowledge reality.

    But I do acknowledge reality, I just don't suscribe to your definetion of reality.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    But I do acknowledge reality, I just don't suscribe to your definetion of reality.

    So.. how do you explain physics?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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