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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I plan to keep using the word "sodomy" as it has purposes other words do not. I don't like to use the word "penetration" in regards to forced sex as it is more graphic.

    So, you'd rather be deragatory than graphic. Nice choice.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, "Intercourse" means "Sexual Intercourse" and you just ignore the other definitions because you want to use the word "Sodomy". Why?
    Number one, I would never, ever personally use the word intercourse to describe forced sex, having had forced sex. Intercourse to me definitely connotes two people inter-acting--a back and forth of sorts. Same with copulation. Coital to me distinctly connotes penis/vagina sex. (Merriam-Webster co·itus function: noun
    : physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; )

    I have not been presented with a valid option to sodomy, that expresses accurately the nuances of what sodomy is.
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  • angelica
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, you'd rather be deragatory than graphic. Nice choice.
    I will choose my own view over yours if I need to choose. You use derogatory terms in describing my personal experiences--ie; imaginary, psychotic, etc. And besides that, I would choose my own view over another if I had to make that either/or choice.

    I have heard you out, and imo it sounds like you are willing to sacrifice accuracy in order to indulge your own religous bias.
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  • Ahnimus
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    “The word sodomy comes from the biblical reference to Sodom and Gomorra; the legal use of such a term is tantamount to calling acts illegal based on their sinfulness.” The derogatory term sodomy is not even universally considered a sin from many religious perspectives.
    http://www.americanhumanist.org/press/LawrencevTX.html

    Definition of Sodomy
    1. immorality in general
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sodomy

    The Bible makes many references to Sodom and the sin of Sodom. Our civil laws once echoed the Biblical example by using the term sodomy when dealing with that detestable sin, the very mention of which once scandalized decent people. So we see that the word sodomite is crucial to a righteous Biblical tapestry of witness against a grievous sin which greatly provokes God's wrath and destroys individuals and nations
    http://www.pccmonroe.org/Homosexuality/Word.htm

    Many more examples exist of the word Sodomy being derogatory.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Number one, I would never, ever personally use the word intercourse to describe forced sex, having had forced sex. Intercourse to me definitely connotes two people inter-acting--a back and forth of sorts. Same with copulation. Coital to me distinctly connotes penis/vagina sex. (Merriam-Webster co·itus function: noun
    : physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; )

    I have not been presented with a valid option to sodomy, that expresses accurately the nuances of what sodomy is.

    Sodomy alone doesn't describe forced sex either. That's why the terms "Forced" and "Sodomy" are being used together to make "Forced Sodomy", but that could just as easily be "Forced Intercourse" or "Rape".
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus, I could walk you through sensitivity training re: mental health issues, and how deplorable it is to "diagnose" one's experiences as psychotic. Especially when one has had a strong mental health history.

    If you want me to consider the finer points of your ethical stance, I would suggest you take mine into consideration from time to time. In other words, I hear why you have your certain beliefs re: the word sodomy, and I understand you can back it up. I can respect that, and yet not choose it at the same time.
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  • catefrances
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    So, "Intercourse" means "Sexual Intercourse" and you just ignore the other definitions because you want to use the word "Sodomy". Why?
    you drive me to distraction sometimes ahnimus.

    when someone usues the word sodomy i know what they're talking about. when someone uses the words sex or intercourse, i need clarification.

    plus sodomy sounds dirty and i like that. :p:D:D:D
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  • Ahnimus
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    catefrances wrote:
    you drive me to distraction sometimes ahnimus.

    when someone usues the word sodomy i know what they're talking about. when someone uses the words sex or intercourse, i need clarification.

    plus sodomy sounds dirty and i like that. :p:D:D:D

    "Forced anal intercourse" or "Involuntary Anal Reception"? Not descriptive enough? ;)
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  • trappedinmyradio
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Problem is, Sodomy refers to a biblical reference to sexual deviance from the doctrine of religion. To me, it implies a religious perspective on anal and oral intercourse. It ultimately implies that the acts are morally wrong. If you feel that the acts are not morally wrong and "Sodomy" is just a word. Then why not use "Intercourse" or "Copulation"? I'm not a big word Nazi, but it's not acceptable for me to use offensive language.

    the word survived to describe the acts...the only biblical reference present in such a word is reference that you read into it. i don't have a problem with using sodomy...i just find it to be a word that describes something other than vaginal penetration.
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  • Ahnimus
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    angelica wrote:
    Ahnimus, I could walk you through sensitivity training re: mental health issues, and how deplorable it is to "diagnose" one's experiences as psychotic. Especially when one has had a strong mental health history.

    If you want me to consider the finer points of your ethical stance, I would suggest you take mine into consideration from time to time. In other words, I hear why you have your certain beliefs re: the word sodomy, and I understand you can back it up. I can respect that, and yet not choose it at the same time.

    Psychosis is a condition, same as being mentally retarded is a condition. The part of it that is derogatory has been added. Sodomy was originally derogatory.

    How would you like me to describe psychosis? "You see and/or feel things that do not really exist"?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    "Forced anal intercourse" or "Involuntary Anal Reception"? Not descriptive enough? ;)
    who said anything about descriptive. we have a word for it so why not use it.

    involuntary anal reception? that just sounds stupid.
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  • trappedinmyradio
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    angelica wrote:
    co·i·tus
    n. Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina.

    sexual intercourse
    –noun
    genital contact, esp. the insertion of the penis into the vagina followed by orgasm; coitus; copulation.

    i don't like the american heritage dictionary. i supplied the definintions above...i don't need you to supply counter-definitions...i read those too...and discarded them
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  • Ahnimus
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    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    the word survived to describe the acts...the only biblical reference present in such a word is reference that you read into it. i don't have a problem with using sodomy...i just find it to be a word that describes something other than vaginal penetration.

    Are you an ass-fucker? Are you homosexual?

    No? then it probably doesn't matter to you. I consider "sodomy" to be par with "nigger" for offensiveness.

    I'm neither of the above either, but hey, don't be dissin' on my homos.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Psychosis is a condition, same as being mentally retarded is a condition. The part of it that is derogatory has been added. Sodomy was originally derogatory.

    How would you like me to describe psychosis? "You see and/or feel things that do not really exist"?
    If you don't understand how calling me psychotic is highly insensitive, I'll save my breath there.

    If you are unwilling to use sensitivity in terms of me, I'm not going to jump to being sensitive to your issues. Plain and simple.
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  • Ahnimus
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    catefrances wrote:
    who said anything about descriptive. we have a word for it so why not use it.

    involuntary anal reception? that just sounds stupid.

    Yea "Buggery" is synonymous with "Sodomy" we have a few words that describe it, but are historically derogatory.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    If you don't understand how calling me psychotic is highly insensitive, I'll save my breath there.

    If you are unwilling to use sensitivity in terms of me, I'm not going to jump to being sensitive to your issues. Plain and simple.

    I'm not asking you to be sensitive to my issues. I'm talking about Anal Intercourse which I do not partake of. I just disagree with the usage of "Sodomy".
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  • trappedinmyradio
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    angelica wrote:
    Number one, I would never, ever personally use the word intercourse to describe forced sex, having had forced sex. Intercourse to me definitely connotes two people inter-acting--a back and forth of sorts. Same with copulation. Coital to me distinctly connotes penis/vagina sex. (Merriam-Webster co·itus function: noun
    : physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; )

    I have not been presented with a valid option to sodomy, that expresses accurately the nuances of what sodomy is.

    i agree with the first part...totally - inter=across/between/in conjunction...whatever...

    but, when you are stating a personal opinion, such as what coital connotes...you shouldn't use words like "distinctly" because there would be no "argument" as to what the word connotes if it distinctly connotes a certain thing...but, that, again, is my personal belief on stating something.

    as i said, earlier, you can further qualify sodomy to express what it is...i don't know what these "nuances" may be. are there nuances to sodomy?
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  • trappedinmyradio
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm not asking you to be sensitive to my issues. I'm talking about Anal Intercourse which I do not partake of. I just disagree with the usage of "Sodomy".

    do you only wish to describe it as anal intercourse when both parties are consenting to the act? i saw above "forced anal penetration"...that's a good alternative if you do not wish to use sodomy.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea "Buggery" is synonymous with "Sodomy" we have a few words that describe it, but are historically derogatory.

    here in australia we sometimes use the word bugger as a form of endearment.
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  • angelica
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    trappedinmyradio wrote:
    i agree with the first part...totally - inter=across/between/in conjunction...whatever...

    but, when you are stating a personal opinion, such as what coital connotes...you shouldn't use words like "distinctly" because there would be no "argument" as to what the word connotes if it distinctly connotes a certain thing...but, that, again, is my personal belief on stating something.

    as i said, earlier, you can further qualify sodomy to express what it is...i don't know what these "nuances" may be. are there nuances to sodomy?
    In my personal opinion, it is distinct.

    As to the rest, I've made all my points throughout this thread. If others don't see my point, I accept that. I still do, however, and operate from that base stance.
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