I plan to keep using the word "sodomy" as it has purposes other words do not. I don't like to use the word "penetration" in regards to forced sex as it is more graphic.
So, you'd rather be deragatory than graphic. Nice choice.
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So, "Intercourse" means "Sexual Intercourse" and you just ignore the other definitions because you want to use the word "Sodomy". Why?
Number one, I would never, ever personally use the word intercourse to describe forced sex, having had forced sex. Intercourse to me definitely connotes two people inter-acting--a back and forth of sorts. Same with copulation. Coital to me distinctly connotes penis/vagina sex. (Merriam-Webster co·itus function: noun
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; )
I have not been presented with a valid option to sodomy, that expresses accurately the nuances of what sodomy is.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
So, you'd rather be deragatory than graphic. Nice choice.
I will choose my own view over yours if I need to choose. You use derogatory terms in describing my personal experiences--ie; imaginary, psychotic, etc. And besides that, I would choose my own view over another if I had to make that either/or choice.
I have heard you out, and imo it sounds like you are willing to sacrifice accuracy in order to indulge your own religous bias.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
“The word sodomy comes from the biblical reference to Sodom and Gomorra; the legal use of such a term is tantamount to calling acts illegal based on their sinfulness.” The derogatory term sodomy is not even universally considered a sin from many religious perspectives. http://www.americanhumanist.org/press/LawrencevTX.html
The Bible makes many references to Sodom and the sin of Sodom. Our civil laws once echoed the Biblical example by using the term sodomy when dealing with that detestable sin, the very mention of which once scandalized decent people. So we see that the word sodomite is crucial to a righteous Biblical tapestry of witness against a grievous sin which greatly provokes God's wrath and destroys individuals and nations http://www.pccmonroe.org/Homosexuality/Word.htm
Many more examples exist of the word Sodomy being derogatory.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Number one, I would never, ever personally use the word intercourse to describe forced sex, having had forced sex. Intercourse to me definitely connotes two people inter-acting--a back and forth of sorts. Same with copulation. Coital to me distinctly connotes penis/vagina sex. (Merriam-Webster co·itus function: noun
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; )
I have not been presented with a valid option to sodomy, that expresses accurately the nuances of what sodomy is.
Sodomy alone doesn't describe forced sex either. That's why the terms "Forced" and "Sodomy" are being used together to make "Forced Sodomy", but that could just as easily be "Forced Intercourse" or "Rape".
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ahnimus, I could walk you through sensitivity training re: mental health issues, and how deplorable it is to "diagnose" one's experiences as psychotic. Especially when one has had a strong mental health history.
If you want me to consider the finer points of your ethical stance, I would suggest you take mine into consideration from time to time. In other words, I hear why you have your certain beliefs re: the word sodomy, and I understand you can back it up. I can respect that, and yet not choose it at the same time.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
when someone usues the word sodomy i know what they're talking about. when someone uses the words sex or intercourse, i need clarification.
plus sodomy sounds dirty and i like that.
"Forced anal intercourse" or "Involuntary Anal Reception"? Not descriptive enough?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Problem is, Sodomy refers to a biblical reference to sexual deviance from the doctrine of religion. To me, it implies a religious perspective on anal and oral intercourse. It ultimately implies that the acts are morally wrong. If you feel that the acts are not morally wrong and "Sodomy" is just a word. Then why not use "Intercourse" or "Copulation"? I'm not a big word Nazi, but it's not acceptable for me to use offensive language.
the word survived to describe the acts...the only biblical reference present in such a word is reference that you read into it. i don't have a problem with using sodomy...i just find it to be a word that describes something other than vaginal penetration.
Ahnimus, I could walk you through sensitivity training re: mental health issues, and how deplorable it is to "diagnose" one's experiences as psychotic. Especially when one has had a strong mental health history.
If you want me to consider the finer points of your ethical stance, I would suggest you take mine into consideration from time to time. In other words, I hear why you have your certain beliefs re: the word sodomy, and I understand you can back it up. I can respect that, and yet not choose it at the same time.
Psychosis is a condition, same as being mentally retarded is a condition. The part of it that is derogatory has been added. Sodomy was originally derogatory.
How would you like me to describe psychosis? "You see and/or feel things that do not really exist"?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
co·i·tus
n. Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina.
sexual intercourse
–noun
genital contact, esp. the insertion of the penis into the vagina followed by orgasm; coitus; copulation.
i don't like the american heritage dictionary. i supplied the definintions above...i don't need you to supply counter-definitions...i read those too...and discarded them
the word survived to describe the acts...the only biblical reference present in such a word is reference that you read into it. i don't have a problem with using sodomy...i just find it to be a word that describes something other than vaginal penetration.
Are you an ass-fucker? Are you homosexual?
No? then it probably doesn't matter to you. I consider "sodomy" to be par with "nigger" for offensiveness.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Psychosis is a condition, same as being mentally retarded is a condition. The part of it that is derogatory has been added. Sodomy was originally derogatory.
How would you like me to describe psychosis? "You see and/or feel things that do not really exist"?
If you don't understand how calling me psychotic is highly insensitive, I'll save my breath there.
If you are unwilling to use sensitivity in terms of me, I'm not going to jump to being sensitive to your issues. Plain and simple.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
who said anything about descriptive. we have a word for it so why not use it.
involuntary anal reception? that just sounds stupid.
Yea "Buggery" is synonymous with "Sodomy" we have a few words that describe it, but are historically derogatory.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If you don't understand how calling me psychotic is highly insensitive, I'll save my breath there.
If you are unwilling to use sensitivity in terms of me, I'm not going to jump to being sensitive to your issues. Plain and simple.
I'm not asking you to be sensitive to my issues. I'm talking about Anal Intercourse which I do not partake of. I just disagree with the usage of "Sodomy".
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Number one, I would never, ever personally use the word intercourse to describe forced sex, having had forced sex. Intercourse to me definitely connotes two people inter-acting--a back and forth of sorts. Same with copulation. Coital to me distinctly connotes penis/vagina sex. (Merriam-Webster co·itus function: noun
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; )
I have not been presented with a valid option to sodomy, that expresses accurately the nuances of what sodomy is.
i agree with the first part...totally - inter=across/between/in conjunction...whatever...
but, when you are stating a personal opinion, such as what coital connotes...you shouldn't use words like "distinctly" because there would be no "argument" as to what the word connotes if it distinctly connotes a certain thing...but, that, again, is my personal belief on stating something.
as i said, earlier, you can further qualify sodomy to express what it is...i don't know what these "nuances" may be. are there nuances to sodomy?
I'm not asking you to be sensitive to my issues. I'm talking about Anal Intercourse which I do not partake of. I just disagree with the usage of "Sodomy".
do you only wish to describe it as anal intercourse when both parties are consenting to the act? i saw above "forced anal penetration"...that's a good alternative if you do not wish to use sodomy.
i agree with the first part...totally - inter=across/between/in conjunction...whatever...
but, when you are stating a personal opinion, such as what coital connotes...you shouldn't use words like "distinctly" because there would be no "argument" as to what the word connotes if it distinctly connotes a certain thing...but, that, again, is my personal belief on stating something.
as i said, earlier, you can further qualify sodomy to express what it is...i don't know what these "nuances" may be. are there nuances to sodomy?
In my personal opinion, it is distinct.
As to the rest, I've made all my points throughout this thread. If others don't see my point, I accept that. I still do, however, and operate from that base stance.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm not asking you to be sensitive to my issues. I'm talking about Anal Intercourse which I do not partake of. I just disagree with the usage of "Sodomy".
Problem is, Sodomy refers to a biblical reference to sexual deviance from the doctrine of religion. To me, it implies a religious perspective on anal and oral intercourse. It ultimately implies that the acts are morally wrong. If you feel that the acts are not morally wrong and "Sodomy" is just a word. Then why not use "Intercourse" or "Copulation"? I'm not a big word Nazi, but it's not acceptable for me to use offensive language.
Operative words: "To me"
It's clear you have taken on this issue in this thread, from your first post on the subject. You have tied it into your personal opinions on the implication of a religious/moral perspective.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
As to the rest, I've made all my points throughout this thread. If others don't see my point, I accept that. I still do, however, and operate from that base stance.
I haven't read any of this thread but I will say that I have no clue what the hell you just responded to.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
As to the rest, I've made all my points throughout this thread. If others don't see my point, I accept that. I still do, however, and operate from that base stance.
it's funny that the first definition on dictionary.com (which you referenced as an information source) does not agree with you. you went seeking the definition that you agree with and used that one. so, anyway...i don't disagree with your right to an opinion. just be honest about how you go about gathering support for how you came to your opinion. but, again, there would be no argument about the word's connotation if the word distinctly connoted a certain thing.
i agree with the first part...totally - inter=across/between/in conjunction...whatever...
but, when you are stating a personal opinion, such as what coital connotes...you shouldn't use words like "distinctly" because there would be no "argument" as to what the word connotes if it distinctly connotes a certain thing...but, that, again, is my personal belief on stating something.
as i said, earlier, you can further qualify sodomy to express what it is...i don't know what these "nuances" may be. are there nuances to sodomy?
i think the problem with sodomy is that it sounds crude and violent.
whereas anal sex when consensual isn't that way. unless you want it that way of course
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it's funny that the first definition on dictionary.com (which you referenced as an information source) does not agree with you. you went seeking the definition that you agree with and used that one. so, anyway...i don't disagree with your right to an opinion. just be honest about how you go about gathering support for how you came to your opinion. but, again, there would be no argument about the word's connotation if the word distinctly connoted a certain thing.
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked; If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Operative words: "To me"
It's clear you have taken on this issue in this thread, from your first post on the subject. You have tied it into your personal opinions on the implication of a religious/moral perspective.
Yea, that too.
Well, maybe I think "cunt" doesn't describe the same kind of woman as a "bitch" so I might have to use that word to describe some women and "bitch" to describe others. Fair enough?
No offense intended, but I think that illustrates my point.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i think the problem with sodomy is that it sounds crude and violent.
whereas anal sex when consensual isn't that way. unless you want it that way of course
Oh yeah. Ok, this I can get in to.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
i think the problem with sodomy is that it sounds crude and violent.
whereas anal sex when consensual doesn't have to be that way. unless you want it that way of course
we have been conditioned to think of it as a crude and deviant thing...that's for sure. i think that's due to our relatively christian upbringing - it permeates all walks of life.
TOM: fred sodomized mike in a drunken rage behind the tool shed.
TOM: i had anal sex with my wife lastnight (yes, i realize that most people wouldn't openly speak about this).
one is obviously violent and deviant - one is okay.
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So, you'd rather be deragatory than graphic. Nice choice.
: physical union of male and female genitalia accompanied by rhythmic movements leading to the ejaculation of semen from the penis into the female reproductive tract; )
I have not been presented with a valid option to sodomy, that expresses accurately the nuances of what sodomy is.
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I have heard you out, and imo it sounds like you are willing to sacrifice accuracy in order to indulge your own religous bias.
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http://www.americanhumanist.org/press/LawrencevTX.html
Definition of Sodomy
1. immorality in general
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sodomy
The Bible makes many references to Sodom and the sin of Sodom. Our civil laws once echoed the Biblical example by using the term sodomy when dealing with that detestable sin, the very mention of which once scandalized decent people. So we see that the word sodomite is crucial to a righteous Biblical tapestry of witness against a grievous sin which greatly provokes God's wrath and destroys individuals and nations
http://www.pccmonroe.org/Homosexuality/Word.htm
Many more examples exist of the word Sodomy being derogatory.
Sodomy alone doesn't describe forced sex either. That's why the terms "Forced" and "Sodomy" are being used together to make "Forced Sodomy", but that could just as easily be "Forced Intercourse" or "Rape".
If you want me to consider the finer points of your ethical stance, I would suggest you take mine into consideration from time to time. In other words, I hear why you have your certain beliefs re: the word sodomy, and I understand you can back it up. I can respect that, and yet not choose it at the same time.
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when someone usues the word sodomy i know what they're talking about. when someone uses the words sex or intercourse, i need clarification.
plus sodomy sounds dirty and i like that.
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"Forced anal intercourse" or "Involuntary Anal Reception"? Not descriptive enough?
the word survived to describe the acts...the only biblical reference present in such a word is reference that you read into it. i don't have a problem with using sodomy...i just find it to be a word that describes something other than vaginal penetration.
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Psychosis is a condition, same as being mentally retarded is a condition. The part of it that is derogatory has been added. Sodomy was originally derogatory.
How would you like me to describe psychosis? "You see and/or feel things that do not really exist"?
involuntary anal reception? that just sounds stupid.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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i don't like the american heritage dictionary. i supplied the definintions above...i don't need you to supply counter-definitions...i read those too...and discarded them
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Are you an ass-fucker? Are you homosexual?
No? then it probably doesn't matter to you. I consider "sodomy" to be par with "nigger" for offensiveness.
I'm neither of the above either, but hey, don't be dissin' on my homos.
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Yea "Buggery" is synonymous with "Sodomy" we have a few words that describe it, but are historically derogatory.
I'm not asking you to be sensitive to my issues. I'm talking about Anal Intercourse which I do not partake of. I just disagree with the usage of "Sodomy".
i agree with the first part...totally - inter=across/between/in conjunction...whatever...
but, when you are stating a personal opinion, such as what coital connotes...you shouldn't use words like "distinctly" because there would be no "argument" as to what the word connotes if it distinctly connotes a certain thing...but, that, again, is my personal belief on stating something.
as i said, earlier, you can further qualify sodomy to express what it is...i don't know what these "nuances" may be. are there nuances to sodomy?
from my window to yours
do you only wish to describe it as anal intercourse when both parties are consenting to the act? i saw above "forced anal penetration"...that's a good alternative if you do not wish to use sodomy.
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here in australia we sometimes use the word bugger as a form of endearment.
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As to the rest, I've made all my points throughout this thread. If others don't see my point, I accept that. I still do, however, and operate from that base stance.
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It's clear you have taken on this issue in this thread, from your first post on the subject. You have tied it into your personal opinions on the implication of a religious/moral perspective.
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I haven't read any of this thread but I will say that I have no clue what the hell you just responded to.
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it's funny that the first definition on dictionary.com (which you referenced as an information source) does not agree with you. you went seeking the definition that you agree with and used that one. so, anyway...i don't disagree with your right to an opinion. just be honest about how you go about gathering support for how you came to your opinion. but, again, there would be no argument about the word's connotation if the word distinctly connoted a certain thing.
we could argue semantics all night though.
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i think the problem with sodomy is that it sounds crude and violent.
whereas anal sex when consensual isn't that way. unless you want it that way of course
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked; If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers, Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
Yea, that too.
Well, maybe I think "cunt" doesn't describe the same kind of woman as a "bitch" so I might have to use that word to describe some women and "bitch" to describe others. Fair enough?
No offense intended, but I think that illustrates my point.
Oh yeah. Ok, this I can get in to.
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Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
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we have been conditioned to think of it as a crude and deviant thing...that's for sure. i think that's due to our relatively christian upbringing - it permeates all walks of life.
TOM: fred sodomized mike in a drunken rage behind the tool shed.
TOM: i had anal sex with my wife lastnight (yes, i realize that most people wouldn't openly speak about this).
one is obviously violent and deviant - one is okay.
from my window to yours