Forcible sodomy

Abuskedti

We see that often on the news lately - yet they claim to be concerned about the boys privacy and recovery...

trappedinmyradio

Abuskedti wrote:

We see that often on the news lately - yet they claim to be concerned about the boys privacy and recovery...

what are you talking about?

blackredyellow

I think everybody assumed that the boys were assaulted...

I just don't see why forced sodomy should be a different charge from rape.

floyd1975

I thought this was going to be about the IRS.

VictoryGin

blackredyellow wrote:

I think everybody assumed that the boys were assaulted...

I just don't see why forced sodomy should be a different charge from rape.

they're doing that? wow. that's sad.

maybe they're doing that because sodomy = gay sex. what state is this again--MO? would be punishment be the same as rape charges?

surferdude

blackredyellow wrote:

I just don't see why forced sodomy should be a different charge from rape.

I can see reasons why the charge and sentence are different from rape. The effect on the victim is different. In the same way we differentiate robbery by dollar value of what was stolen. The stigma and shame that a male victim feels after forced sodomy may very well be quite different than the stigma and shame a female victim feels after rape.

VictoryGin

surferdude wrote:

I can see reasons why the charge and sentence are different from rape. The effect on the victim is different. In the same way we differentiate robbery by dollar value of what was stolen. The stigma and shame that a male victim feels after forced sodomy may very well be quite different than the stigma and shame a female victim feels after rape.

females may be the majority of rape victims, but not all. males are raped too.

edit: and how is the effect different exactly?

Byrnzie

VictoryGin wrote:

females may be the majority of rape victims, but not all. males are raped too.

edit: and how is the effect different exactly?

They get a sore arse?

VictoryGin

Byrnzie wrote:

They get a sore arse?

is that more or less punishable than a sore calcuntta?

i was more asking about this 'stigma' and such that was mentioned. rape is rape. a person is forced to have sex and is violated. why would it be called something different depending on genders involved?

surferdude

VictoryGin wrote:

females may be the majority of rape victims, but not all. males are raped too.

edit: and how is the effect different exactly?

Men and women have different expectations on them in society. Different cultural norms applied to them, for better for worse. Based on reality the effect that different sexes would have to forced sodomy can be expected to be different.

even flow?

surferdude wrote:

Men and women have different expectations on them in society. Different cultural norms applied to them, for better for worse. Based on reality the effect that different sexes would have to forced sodomy can be expected to be different.

Maybe in old Rome there may have been a difference. But if somebody was going about my body in a way that I didn't ask for. I think I would be calling rape. Don't know about where that would stand with the mates, but, I think they would call it rape too.

angelica

Sodomy and rape are two different things, hence the different names. That is not to say that being sexually assaulted via sodomy is not horrific in any way.

Just for the record, if I were raped in the 'traditional' sense, it would be different that being sodomized.

even flow?

angelica wrote:

Sodomy and rape are two different things, hence the different names. That is not to say that being sexually assaulted via sodomy is not horrific in any way.

Just for the record, if I were raped in the 'traditional' sense, it would be different that being sodomized.

So could you define the "traditional" way a male gets raped? Kind of makes sodomy and rape become one word, eh.

surferdude

even flow? wrote:

Maybe in old Rome there may have been a difference. But if somebody was going about my body in a way that I didn't ask for. I think I would be calling rape. Don't know about where that would stand with the mates, but, I think they would call it rape too.

So in your books should theft just be theft. With no regards to the amount involved or forced used.

Should a forced or unwanted kiss be called rape? Forced sodomy is a different act than rape, so I see no problem with giving it a different label.

hippiemom

VictoryGin wrote:

they're doing that? wow. that's sad.

maybe they're doing that because sodomy = gay sex. what state is this again--MO? would be punishment be the same as rape charges?

I think it's simply a legal term. In Ohio, rape is defined as vaginal penetration by force or threat of force. Whether the victim is male or female, oral or anal penetration is not "rape" ... a woman who was forcibly sodomized wouldn't have been "raped" either. I'd have to look up what the difference is in penalties, but the charge isn't dependent on gender.

macgyver06

rape is horrific and forcible sodomy is rape because of the use of force...however...since it is coined forcible sodomy instead of just sodomy...is sodomy now making a breakthrough into accepted sexual behavior..

i mean..some girls do enjoy it!

BUT i do fear that in the future i will read an article that says forcible bestiality.... instead of just beastiality...

angelica

even flow? wrote:

So could you define the "traditional" way a male gets raped? Kind of makes sodomy and rape become one word, eh.

I specifically mean forced vaginal penetration as 'traditional' rape in the sense that yes, rape can mean sexual assault against the will of anyone, however the most common or 'traditional' form is against women, with vaginal penetration.

There is a difference between having consensual sexual intercourse and having consensual anal intercourse. At least there certainly would be for me! And I in no means want to draw parallels between consensual and non-consensual sex, except to point out the obvious between the two kinds of sex from a female point of view. Both anal and vaginal forced penetration would be traumatic, however, the anal type would have more physical trauma (tearing, etc.) given the circumstances, particularly if we are talking children, here.

even flow?

surferdude wrote:

So in your books should theft just be theft. With no regards to the amount involved or forced used.

Should a forced or unwanted kiss be called rape? Forced sodomy is a different act than rape, so I see no problem with giving it a different label.

Kind of. I stole 100 dollars. I stole 1 million dollars. Same word. I stole a car. I stole her virginity without her consent. All sounds and means the same to me.

Pacomc79

zstillings wrote:

I thought this was going to be about the IRS.

Post of the year!

VictoryGin

hippiemom wrote:

I think it's simply a legal term. In Ohio, rape is defined as vaginal penetration by force or threat of force. Whether the victim is male or female, oral or anal penetration is not "rape" ... a woman who was forcibly sodomized wouldn't have been "raped" either. I'd have to look up what the difference is in penalties, but the charge isn't dependent on gender.

to clarify, if a man in ohio is forced to have vag intercourse--that is still punishable rape? and the difference is where exactly the violation occurs, huh. thank you for the info.

hippiemom

VictoryGin wrote:

to clarify, if a man in ohio is forced to have vag intercourse--that is still punishable rape? and the difference is where exactly the violation occurs, huh. thank you for the info.

Yes ... for a man to be technically raped in Ohio would require him to be forced to have vaginal intercourse with a woman. I'm guessing that would be significantly less traumatic for a man than being forcibly sodomized.

It occurs to me that I should probably say here that it's been several years since I've volunteered with the rape crisis center or worked in an office that handled criminal cases, so it's possible that this has changed, but I haven't heard about it if it has.

If I have some time at the end of the day, I'll do some research on the exact terms and what penalties each charge carries.