Gun Laws in America

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    robbie wrote:
    jlew, you are nuts, a complete lunatic, whats wrong with y.......... oh sorry, that was a natural reaction to one of your posts. Fact is, i agree with you wholeheartedly on this one. we do need an all out ban on all assault weapons, and tougher laws mandating who own guns. you have made your point very well in this thread and i fail to see how people don't get what you are trying to say. but we cant go on agreeing like this or people will talk, so i challenge you to a duel, no wait, we both seem to lean against gun violence, so how about a few hands of blackjack over at youkanland?????????


    its on!!!!!
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    jlew24asu wrote:
    its on!!!!![/quote




    and dont come crying to the moving train community when i swipe all your megabytes.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    for the last time let me explain how I feel.

    I do not want a ban on all guns. I want a ban on assault weapons, such as machine guns. a very strict ban with very harsh penalties. other then assault weapons such as your gun, I want very hard laws to obtaining one. background checks, 100% clean record, credit check, serial number of gun assigned to you. list can go on here, but im not a law maker or lawyer like I said so this is for someone else to decide. so please dont break down this sentence with your undeniable wisdom.

    your story was nice but it proved nothing.

    are already outlawed...you can't own on legally (well except collectors that registered with the ATF many many years ago). Also its the hand gun that's causing us all the grief...not rifles.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    callen wrote:
    are already outlawed...you can't own on legally (well except collectors that registered with the ATF many many years ago). Also its the hand gun that's causing us all the grief...not rifles.


    that ban expired. now its goes state by state. but I mean assault weapons such as machine guns. ever go to a gun show and see whats available? I did, it freaked me out.

    I agree hand guns cause alot of grief. thats why I think it should be much harder to get one.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    callen wrote:
    its very obvious that violent crime will go down once all guns are banned....there's no denying it....BUT....I do see from this point (Millions of guns already in circulation) till they are truely erradicated...there will be a limited reduction of violent crime. I don't have the stats.....but surely you would agree that countries that have relatively no guns have less murders hence the proof no guns...less violent crime.

    I have a real problem when the government interferes with citizens rights....and can understand how some have very strong feelings that owning a gun is their right...I just still feel they cause way more harm than good.

    I'm not interested in statistics from other countries, because it isn't just the guns that lead to violent crime rates. There is something cultural.

    We also know that it will be impossible to ban all guns, so while I agree that if all guns were eradicated violent crimes would decrease, it isn't realistic. What I do know is that every time a city passes a handgun restriction violent crime rates increase.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jeffbr wrote:
    I'm not interested in statistics from other countries, because it isn't just the guns that lead to violent crime rates. There is something cultural.

    We also know that it will be impossible to ban all guns, so while I agree that if all guns were eradicated violent crimes would decrease, it isn't realistic. What I do know is that every time a city passes a handgun restriction violent crime rates increase.


    prove it. and no one here wants a ban on ALL guns. of course thats unrealistic.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    jlew24asu wrote:
    prove it. and no one here wants a ban on ALL guns. of course thats unrealistic.

    Now you come out and look for proof. I'll prove my statement after you prove yours.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    jeffbr wrote:
    Now you come out and look for proof. I'll prove my statement after you prove yours.


    I told you I didnt have proof. I'm using logic and common sense. less guns=less crime. stricter laws = guns in the hands of law abiding people.

    no assault weapons = no crime with assault weapons.

    over time. a long time? sure. maybe my grand kids will be a little safer.

    thanks for playin
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that ban expired. now its goes state by state. but I mean assault weapons such as machine guns. ever go to a gun show and see whats available? I did, it freaked me out.

    I agree hand guns cause alot of grief. thats why I think it should be much harder to get one.
    on assualt weapons the ban expired...but not on fully automatic machine guns.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    callen wrote:
    on assualt weapons the ban expired...but not on fully automatic machine guns.

    awsome!
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jeffbr wrote:
    I'm not interested in statistics from other countries, because it isn't just the guns that lead to violent crime rates. There is something cultural.

    We also know that it will be impossible to ban all guns, so while I agree that if all guns were eradicated violent crimes would decrease, it isn't realistic. What I do know is that every time a city passes a handgun restriction violent crime rates increase.

    Cultural or not..if there aren't guns...no gun violence..and tell me why its impossible to ban all guns???? Again..turn them in or face year in jail...it would work...in few years garanteed our crime rate would go down.

    I don't disagree we have a cultural problem (good point) ....course I think guns are a contributor to this cultural problem.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Hope&Anger
    Hope&Anger Posts: 260
    I think the major problem with gun control laws is that they regulate law-abiding people and don't touch the ones who use guns to commit crimes.

    Most gun control laws don't regulate the black market in guns. Criminals who use guns to commit crimes aren't going to K-Mart or gun shows -- they're buying them out of the trunks of cars. And most violent crime committed with guns isn't committed with assault weapons; it's committed with fairly regular guns that get modified (pretty easily, it seems) to be more lethal.

    So a ban on guns wouldn't really work, unless you banned the manufacture of guns. And I can't see that happening.
    "Things will just get better and better even though it
    doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
    idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
    Hope! Hope is the underdog!"

    -- EV, Live at the Showbox
  • Androgynous Mind
    Androgynous Mind Posts: 520
    jlew24asu wrote:
    personally I hate guns. They are intended for one purpose. To Kill. I would like to see extremely tough gun laws. much tougher then the ones already in place. and an all out ban on assault weapons like machine guns.

    the second amendment right is as outdated as catholic priests not being allowed to marry. we shouldnt have the right to bear arms. it should be a privilege to those who qualify.

    This is why we need organizations like the NRA to help protect us from these radical ideas. They might be on the extreme other side of the spectrum, but if they give up just an inch those antis will try and take a mile.
    Oh he fills it up with the love of a girl...
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    awsome!
    ...we have them monthly in Houston...once they had a Corvette show next to a gun show at our huge convention center.......and I was freaking out seeing the folks and their prized munitions coming and going from venue...it was indeed scary. Needless to say...I stoped giving folks the finger as I drove. (-;

    Saw a bumper sticker this morning coming to work..."You never saw the US flag burned at a gun convention"
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Hope&Anger wrote:
    I think the major problem with gun control laws is that they regulate law-abiding people and don't touch the ones who use guns to commit crimes.

    Most gun control laws don't regulate the black market in guns. Criminals who use guns to commit crimes aren't going to K-Mart or gun shows -- they're buying them out of the trunks of cars. And most violent crime committed with guns isn't committed with assault weapons; it's committed with fairly regular guns that get modified (pretty easily, it seems) to be more lethal.

    So a ban on guns wouldn't really work, unless you banned the manufacture of guns. And I can't see that happening.


    I have yet to hear someone recommend banning all guns in this thread
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Androgynous Mind wrote:
    This is why we need organizations like the NRA to help protect us from these radical ideas. They might be on the extreme other side of the spectrum, but if they give up just an inch those antis will try and take a mile.


    trying to keep the streets safer is a radical idea? I guess im radical.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I have yet to hear someone recommend banning all guns in this thread
    ok, I'll do it.


    Ban all guns.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    cutback wrote:
    ok, I'll do it.


    Ban all guns.


    ata boy :D
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    jlew24asu wrote:
    ata boy :D
    Just here to help. :D

    Actually I'm serious but I realize it would be impossible. Ah well. ;)
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    cutback wrote:
    Just here to help. :D

    Actually I'm serious but I realize it would be impossible. Ah well. ;)


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