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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    g under p wrote:
    You appear to sound as if what McCain/Pain are going to implement anything different than what we have had these last 8 years. It also appears what has been done these last 8 years has worked very well just take a look at our economy.

    I never thought these two could be worse than Bush/Cheney and they clearly are.

    Peace

    So what's Obama going to do differently?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jdr3777
    jdr3777 Posts: 23
    know1 wrote:
    So what's Obama going to do differently?
    1.First off focus on treating our veterans with the respect that they deserve.The fact that we have 208 thousand veterans living under a bridge is a national disgrace.Biden and Obama have talked about this in most of their speeches that i have heard.
    2.Repeal the Bush tax cuts for the rich that Mccain once opposed now supports.
    3.Give a real middle class tax cut that isn't going borrow billions more from china.
    4.Stop giving tax breaks that move our jobs overseas,and instead give tax breaks to companies who keep jobs here.

    I'll stop there.For now.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    know1 wrote:
    So what's Obama going to do differently?

    Nothing really, that's why he won't get my vote either. However, I could trust his judgement better that McCain.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    heart&desire wrote:
    Please read more on GDP ...

    Have I said something wrong?
    heart&desire wrote:
    Europe plays almost no role in world politics?! You might want to check in on this and rethink that statement.

    Hmmm, okay.

    *Thinking*

    Nope, hardly any role.
    heart&desire wrote:
    May I ask please, have you traveled? If so where have your travels taken you? To Europe? Asia?

    Don't see how this has anything to do with it, but I have been to Europe. Never been to Asia, would like to go there though. I actually wouldn't mind visiting China, beautiful country.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • heartdesire
    heartdesire Posts: 430
    MattyJoe,

    Ya aven't said anything wrong. I just find your view limited, that's all.

    Saying that Europe does not have a major role in world politics is quite amusing to me. We definitely see things differently.

    peace,

    h&d
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  • LeilaMoonTurtle
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  • ACCBootlegGoddess
    ACCBootlegGoddess Posts: 4,318
    g under p wrote:
    You appear to sound as if what McCain/Pain are going to implement anything different than what we have had these last 8 years. It also appears what has been done these last 8 years has worked very well just take a look at our economy.

    I never thought these two could be worse than Bush/Cheney and they clearly are.

    Peace

    Umm ok obviously YOU haven't taken a good look at your economy or you wouldn't make such an assinine, misinformed statement like that! (saying whats done in the last 8 years worked well)?

    Umm how far has your dollar sunk under bush?? Hmmmm 2002..one year into Bushes first term...I, as a Canadian, paid 1.62 for 1 us dollar. TODAY we are hovering between par and $1.10 Cdn for 1 US dollar.
    Your economy was on the brink of a recession (if not in a full blown recession) for most of Bush's second term!!

    Lets move on to the housing market which has collapsed and record amounts of Americans have had to declare bankruptcy....yes things have been just fuckin Peachy under Bush/Cheney!!!

    Finally, how much has this MORON INCREASED your national debt in the last 8 years??? Please enlighten me as to how THATS good for your economy????

    Please do some research before a) casting your vote in November..and b) opening your mouth here.
    "Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:
    Umm ok obviously YOU haven't taken a good look at your economy or you wouldn't make such an assinine, misinformed statement like that! (saying whats done in the last 8 years worked well)?

    Umm how far has your dollar sunk under bush?? Hmmmm 2002..one year into Bushes first term...I, as a Canadian, paid 1.62 for 1 us dollar. TODAY we are hovering between par and $1.10 Cdn for 1 US dollar.
    Your economy was on the brink of a recession (if not in a full blown recession) for most of Bush's second term!!

    Lets move on to the housing market which has collapsed and record amounts of Americans have had to declare bankruptcy....yes things have been just fuckin Peachy under Bush/Cheney!!!

    Finally, how much has this MORON INCREASED your national debt in the last 8 years??? Please enlighten me as to how THATS good for your economy????

    Please do some research before a) casting your vote in November..and b) opening your mouth here.

    May want to re-read post to which you responded. You agree not disagree. Oh and great points.

    We can add, Dubya and goons have single handedly destroyed our credibility in the world.

    Created perfect conditions for recruiting fundementalist loonies..Muslims and Christians.

    Now Dubya's goons are brilliant...as they've been able to use folks insecurities and greed to increase assets for their buddies...oil, and defense. Woo hoo...God, Fear, Muslims, Evildoer, Taxing you to give to Minorities, ENTITLEMENTS....oooooooohh etc etc.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    If I vote it will be a vote against Barack moreso than for McCain. McCain will not turn the country to socialism like Barack would. McCain would have had the right strategy in Iraq from the beginning (probably would not have even gone to Iraq in the first place as he would not have thought to start it with Iraq, and would have stayed in Afghanistan). But anyway, Barack and Biden called the surge a big mistake, and McCain pushed it for years and has been proven correct. So much for Biden's experience.

    Obama is going to stunt growth in the economy by getting rid of the capital gains tax rate. The problem is spending, not taxes. We have record tax revenues.

    There are problems with McCain, but Obama's change is just too easy to see through. Regardless of whether McCain has the answers or not, I don't want Obama's answers. They involve bigger and bigger government.

    Agree. Not to thrilled with some of Obama's thoughts on soclal programs but to think more Bush style economic policies of funneling money to corporations will help our economy???? The risks of the US going into a full blown recession I feel will be much higher with McCain than Obama. The US could use bit more protectionists policies..not alot but more. But the big one..and its a freakin spine tingling bone chilling one is to think there is a very good chance that we'll have a totally inept fantasy land president should McCain become incapacitated. I'll roll the dice with Obama anyday...anyday.

    Course it will be good for our country to move in the progressive side..and tell the social conservatives to take a freakin hike.
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  • ACCBootlegGoddess
    ACCBootlegGoddess Posts: 4,318
    callen wrote:
    May want to re-read post to which you responded. You agree not disagree. Oh and great points.

    huh?? not sure what you mean. Maybe I am misunderstanding g under p's post....is he/she being sarcastic and I'm not getting it....cause it sounded to me as if he/she is saying they think that what Bush as done has worked.

    If I misunderstood and he/she was being sarcastic then I apologize to g under p.
    "Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:
    huh?? not sure what you mean. Maybe I am misunderstanding g under p's post....is he/she being sarcastic and I'm not getting it....cause it sounded to me as if he/she is saying they think that what Bush as done has worked.

    If I misunderstood and he/she was being sarcastic then I apologize to g under p.
    yea think you may be misreading...I'm getting the complete opposite...but hey maybe I'm wrong.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    ACBootlegGoddess wrote:
    huh?? not sure what you mean. Maybe I am misunderstanding g under p's post....is he/she being sarcastic and I'm not getting it....cause it sounded to me as if he/she is saying they think that what Bush as done has worked.

    If I misunderstood and he/she was being sarcastic then I apologize to g under p.
    ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:
    Umm ok obviously YOU haven't taken a good look at your economy or you wouldn't make such an assinine, misinformed statement like that! (saying whats done in the last 8 years worked well)?

    Umm how far has your dollar sunk under bush?? Hmmmm 2002..one year into Bushes first term...I, as a Canadian, paid 1.62 for 1 us dollar. TODAY we are hovering between par and $1.10 Cdn for 1 US dollar.
    Your economy was on the brink of a recession (if not in a full blown recession) for most of Bush's second term!!

    Lets move on to the housing market which has collapsed and record amounts of Americans have had to declare bankruptcy....yes things have been just fuckin Peachy under Bush/Cheney!!!

    Finally, how much has this MORON INCREASED your national debt in the last 8 years??? Please enlighten me as to how THATS good for your economy????

    Please do some research before a) casting your vote in November..and b) opening your mouth here.

    I'm a he and I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I responded to what Mattyjoe saying they felt they had a better choice in McCain over Obama and he would ruin our economy.

    I said of sort that McCain would bring us more of the same of what we've had the last 8 years. More of the same misery this current administration has brought on this economy and country. I actually pitty who so ever gets this job cuase it's going to take one hell of an effort to turn the deficit this country is currently in the next 4 years.

    Good luck to who gets this job I just don't trust it in McCain/Palin hands.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • ACCBootlegGoddess
    ACCBootlegGoddess Posts: 4,318
    g under p wrote:
    I'm a he and I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I responded to what Mattyjoe saying they felt they had a better choice in McCain over Obama and he would ruin our economy.

    I said of sort that McCain would bring us more of the same of what we've had the last 8 years. More of the same misery this current administration has brought on this economy and country. I actually pitty who so ever gets this job cuase it's going to take one hell of an effort to turn the deficit this country is currently in the next 4 years.

    Good luck to who gets this job I just don't trust it in McCain/Palin hands.

    Peace


    Thank you for the reply and not being too upset with me. I did reply later and apologized and I'm going to do so again because I just finished reading some of your earlier posts and realized before I even saw this reply that I was wrong.
    I did misunderstand you and not get the sarcasm....so I apologize to you for what I said in my post. :)
    "Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:
    Thank you for the reply and not being too upset with me. I did reply later and apologized and I'm going to do so again because I just finished reading some of your earlier posts and realized before I even saw this reply that I was wrong.
    I did misunderstand you and not get the sarcasm....so I apologize to you for what I said in my post. :)

    No biggie some here do get bent out of shape about what's said about either side of this run for office. I'm getting a bit burnt out about this election being here in the Nation's Capital.

    It's ALL about he said she said here. There's a long way to go and mnay things will change I just wish many will get as informed as possible before making thier decision.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • ACCBootlegGoddess
    ACCBootlegGoddess Posts: 4,318
    g under p wrote:
    No biggie some here do get bent out of shape about what's said about either side of this run for office. I'm getting a bit burnt out about this election being here in the Nation's Capital.

    It's ALL about he said she said here. There's a long way to go and mnay things will change I just wish many will get as informed as possible before making thier decision.

    Peace

    I agree with you totally. I wish people would get informed too. Thats what getting me so frustrated...even here in Canada. We are having a federal election next month too and our current ruling party is a mini me of the republicans...but it looks like they will get in again...with a majority this time (meaning nobody can keep them in check...its like having the repubs as pres and also controlling congress and the senate).
    "Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    The more threads I see like this the more I may actually vote for McCain, even though I can't stand anything about him.
  • ACCBootlegGoddess
    ACCBootlegGoddess Posts: 4,318
    unsung wrote:
    The more threads I see like this the more I may actually vote for McCain, even though I can't stand anything about him.


    Why would these threads influence your vote?? and why in the world would you vote for someone you can't stand anything about???? Makes no sense to me. To prove a point here?? To say fuck you to the democrats here?? Not really a good reason to base your vote on...wouldn't you say?
    Please read up on the issues yourself and how BOTH candidates stand on them and make your decision based on THAT...not on what a bunch of strangers on a message board have to say.
    "Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    callen wrote:
    Doesn't believe in sex education for teenagers.

    Attended church that promoted Gods tongue talk.

    Against a womans right to decide whats best for her.

    Had guy fired for not firing sisters ex-husband.

    Has no problem with stripping this planet dry of its resources to feed our thirsts.

    Supported billions in earmarks and now lying about it.

    I've covered this on other threads, but a lot of this stuff isn't even true.

    For instance, not only is she OK with teaching sex education to teenagers, she's said it is important.

    From the 2006 Alaska gubernatorial debates: "I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said.
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  • digster
    digster Posts: 1,293
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I've covered this on other threads, but a lot of this stuff isn't even true.

    For instance, not only is she OK with teaching sex education to teenagers, she's said it is important.

    From the 2006 Alaska gubernatorial debates: "I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said.

    Most of that crap is going to fall away, but I think the earmark spending, and her legislative past with the whole Bridge to Nowhere (I sure feel sorry for that island these days), earmarks, etc. etc.....that could end up being costly. She's portrayed herself as a champion of reform, and if it becomes clearer and clearer that that is not the case (and if the American people end up caring that it's not the case), then the shine from this pick will start to wear off.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:
    Why would these threads influence your vote?? and why in the world would you vote for someone you can't stand anything about???? Makes no sense to me. To prove a point here?? To say fuck you to the democrats here?? Not really a good reason to base your vote on...wouldn't you say?
    Please read up on the issues yourself and how BOTH candidates stand on them and make your decision based on THAT...not on what a bunch of strangers on a message board have to say.


    I'll vote for whomever it takes to keep Obama out of office. Period.

    I have based my decisions on the issues and I don't agree with hardly anything he says. And please let's not make this a democrat/republican thing which has nothing to do with anything. I'm a reghistered democrat and I voted for Obama for Senate and he hasn't done ANYTHING to deserve a promotion.

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