Oil a factor in Australian role in Iraq

Rushlimbo
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I guess every nation cannot have the noble reasoning that BushCo has for being in Iraq. It's hard to believe we have such a greedy ally such as Australia.
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Oil is a key factor keeping Australian troops in the US-led war in Iraq, Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said Thursday, before his boss Prime Minister John Howard sharply contradicted him.
Nelson's startling comments caused an immediate stir in Australia, one of the United States' few major allies in the increasingly unpopular war, but Howard quickly backed away from the explosive contention.
A new defence review had concluded that maintaining "resource security" in the Middle East was a priority, Nelson said in an interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
"Energy security is extremely important to all nations throughout the world, and of course, in protecting and securing Australia's interests," he said.
"Obviously the Middle East itself, not only Iraq, but the entire region is an important supplier of energy, oil in particular, to the rest of the world.
"Australians and all of us need to think what would happen if there were a premature withdrawal from Iraq," Nelson said.
Australia joined the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was said to be aimed at eliminating Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, which were never found.
Howard remains a very staunch supporter of Washington's military campaign in Iraq. Australia's deployment currently numbers about 1,575 soldiers.
Nelson also said Australia's main reasons for remaining in Iraq were to prevent violence driven by Al-Qaeda between the Sunni and Shia populations and to help key ally the United States combat terrorism and stabilise the region.
But he contended that safeguarding oil supplies was an important part of bringing stability.
"For all of those reasons, one of which is energy security, it's extremely important that Australia take the view that it's in our interests, our security interests, to make sure that we leave the Middle East, and leave Iraq in particular, in a position of sustainable security," he said.
But Howard swung into damage limitation mode later in the day, strongly denying that either Nelson or he himself had said securing oil supply was a key factor behind his country's contentious involvement in the war in Iraq.
"We're not there because of oil and we didn't go there because of oil, we don't remain there because of oil," he told commercial radio. "Oil is not the reason."
Treasurer Peter Costello also joined in the denial that Australian troops were primarily in Iraq to secure oil supplies.
"We're fighting for something much more important here than oil, this is about democracy and freedom in the Middle East," he told reporters.
Howard had earlier told a conference in Canberra that energy demand was a key reason for helping to develop a stable Middle East.
But he later said it was "stretching it a bit" to conclude that Australia's involvement in Iraq was motivated by oil
He told the conference Australia's presence in the Middle East was central to his government's defence strategy, arguing the country could not afford to wait for threats to reach its shores before taking action.
"Many of the key strategic trends I have mentioned -- including terrorism and extremism, challenging demographics, WMD (weapons of mass destruction) aspirations, energy demand and great-power competition -- converge in the Middle East," he said.
"Our major ally and our most important economic partners have crucial interests there."
The centre-left opposition Labor Party, which wants to withdraw Australia's troops from Iraq, accused the government of making contradictory statements on its reasons for being in Iraq.
"This government simply makes it up as it goes along on Iraq," Labor leader Kevin Rudd told reporters.
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Oil is a key factor keeping Australian troops in the US-led war in Iraq, Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said Thursday, before his boss Prime Minister John Howard sharply contradicted him.
Nelson's startling comments caused an immediate stir in Australia, one of the United States' few major allies in the increasingly unpopular war, but Howard quickly backed away from the explosive contention.
A new defence review had concluded that maintaining "resource security" in the Middle East was a priority, Nelson said in an interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
"Energy security is extremely important to all nations throughout the world, and of course, in protecting and securing Australia's interests," he said.
"Obviously the Middle East itself, not only Iraq, but the entire region is an important supplier of energy, oil in particular, to the rest of the world.
"Australians and all of us need to think what would happen if there were a premature withdrawal from Iraq," Nelson said.
Australia joined the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was said to be aimed at eliminating Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, which were never found.
Howard remains a very staunch supporter of Washington's military campaign in Iraq. Australia's deployment currently numbers about 1,575 soldiers.
Nelson also said Australia's main reasons for remaining in Iraq were to prevent violence driven by Al-Qaeda between the Sunni and Shia populations and to help key ally the United States combat terrorism and stabilise the region.
But he contended that safeguarding oil supplies was an important part of bringing stability.
"For all of those reasons, one of which is energy security, it's extremely important that Australia take the view that it's in our interests, our security interests, to make sure that we leave the Middle East, and leave Iraq in particular, in a position of sustainable security," he said.
But Howard swung into damage limitation mode later in the day, strongly denying that either Nelson or he himself had said securing oil supply was a key factor behind his country's contentious involvement in the war in Iraq.
"We're not there because of oil and we didn't go there because of oil, we don't remain there because of oil," he told commercial radio. "Oil is not the reason."
Treasurer Peter Costello also joined in the denial that Australian troops were primarily in Iraq to secure oil supplies.
"We're fighting for something much more important here than oil, this is about democracy and freedom in the Middle East," he told reporters.
Howard had earlier told a conference in Canberra that energy demand was a key reason for helping to develop a stable Middle East.
But he later said it was "stretching it a bit" to conclude that Australia's involvement in Iraq was motivated by oil
He told the conference Australia's presence in the Middle East was central to his government's defence strategy, arguing the country could not afford to wait for threats to reach its shores before taking action.
"Many of the key strategic trends I have mentioned -- including terrorism and extremism, challenging demographics, WMD (weapons of mass destruction) aspirations, energy demand and great-power competition -- converge in the Middle East," he said.
"Our major ally and our most important economic partners have crucial interests there."
The centre-left opposition Labor Party, which wants to withdraw Australia's troops from Iraq, accused the government of making contradictory statements on its reasons for being in Iraq.
"This government simply makes it up as it goes along on Iraq," Labor leader Kevin Rudd told reporters.
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Yeah, the Aussies are corrupt. Just ask their wheat board about the payments they made to Saddam so Iraq would purchase Australian wheat instead of American wheat."If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
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why is this such a shock to you? do you understand that Oil is one of the, if not thee, most valuable commodity in the world? at the present time, it is needed to keep economies running. its not greed that is keep them there. its necessity0
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jlew24asu wrote:why is this such a shock to you? do you understand that Oil is one of the, if not thee, most valuable commodity in the world? at the present time, it is needed to keep economies running. its not greed that is keep them there. its necessity
It isnt a shock to me, I'm just sick of the numerous other reasons given for invading Iraq. A little truth would be nice but it isnt gonna happen with these criminals in power.War is Peace
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Rushlimbo wrote:It isnt a shock to me, I'm just sick of the numerous other reasons given for invading Iraq. A little truth would be nice but it isnt gonna happen with these criminals in power.“One good thing about music,
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So brutalize me with music.”
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surferdude wrote:Will the truth change the actions? If not then who cares. A government in power is going to do what it feels best, knowing their justifications will not alter their actions.
So we shouldnt care that our government lies to us? In a democracy the government is supposed to yield to the will of the people, not the other way around. I think it is very sad that you choose to throw your arms up in the air and say, "The truth wont change anything, so who cares".War is Peace
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Rushlimbo wrote:So we shouldnt care that our government lies to us? In a democracy the government is supposed to yield to the will of the people, not the other way around. I think it is very sad that you choose to throw your arms up in the air and say, "The truth wont change anything, so who cares".
its never been a secret that oil plays a role in our dealing with Iraq.0 -
Rushlimbo wrote:So we shouldnt care that our government lies to us? In a democracy the government is supposed to yield to the will of the people, not the other way around. I think it is very sad that you choose to throw your arms up in the air and say, "The truth wont change anything, so who cares".
Call me jaded but I don't listen to what they're saying any more. I only focus on what they are doing. I can either agree and justify their actions or not. I do this independant of whatever crap they're spewing.“One good thing about music,
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It's nice to see people being honest on this board, no matter who they vote for. To deny this war had a lot do with securing oil is to deny your intelligence.0
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Rushlimbo wrote:It isnt a shock to me, I'm just sick of the numerous other reasons given for invading Iraq. A little truth would be nice but it isnt gonna happen with these criminals in power.
its pretty sickening to think there's anyone that doubted for a second the real reason we're in Iraq........and to think people don't call Bush and company freakin liars everytime he opens his mouth is beyond me.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
callen wrote:its pretty sickening to think there's anyone that doubted for a second the real reason we're in Iraq........and to think people don't call Bush and company freakin liars everytime he opens his mouth is beyond me.
oil was never mentioned as the real reason why we went to Iraq but... oil, as a factor, was never denied.
in fact, I remember bush and others saying, they didn't want saddam to invade kuiwait, then possibly saudi arbia, and have control such a huge % of the worlds oil.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:oil was never mentioned as the real reason why we went to Iraq but... oil, as a factor, was never denied.
in fact, I remember bush and others saying, they didn't want saddam to invade kuiwait, then possibly saudi arbia, and have control such a huge % of the worlds oil.
thats the thing,....the rest was all baloney to sucker us.....no other reason but oil....now if dip would have said....hey...lets attack sadaam cause we're wanting to secure the oil....and we bought into it...different story..but that's not what they said....and this story just points to the fact they still skirt by this one strategy....and many beleive them...probably out of self preservation.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
I like how all the private contractors from around the world are getting ripped off (waay underpaid, and in some cases not paid at all) and they are being paid out their pittance with oil proceeds.
....and they are getting killed like mad.
Talk about dirty, dirty work...holy!
edit: ins't their more private contractors employed in Iraq than troops now?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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jlew24asu wrote:why is this such a shock to you? do you understand that Oil is one of the, if not thee, most valuable commodity in the world? at the present time, it is needed to keep economies running. its not greed that is keep them there. its necessityAll the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0
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Whilst I have NO doubt that one of the reasons we have sent troups to Iraq is because of oil, I would have to say that the main reason is because Johnny's head is stuck so far up George's ass he cannot conceive of doing things on his own. If George does it then Johnny does it.
I would like to point out that like many Americans the majority of Australians do not support the war in Iraq and never have.
And like Americans we are suffering from a pathetic, overbearing, condescending, lying, cheating, self serving government like most other Western democracies have been since 9/11.
Treasurer Peter Costello also joined in the denial that Australian troops were primarily in Iraq to secure oil supplies.
"We're fighting for something much more important here than oil, this is about democracy and freedom in the Middle East," he told reporters.
This bit makes me laugh the most!!! Yeah, let's fight for democracy and freedom in the Middle East Petey coz god knows you've fucked it up here!!! :rolleyes:NOPE!!!
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Rushlimbo wrote:It isnt a shock to me, I'm just sick of the numerous other reasons given for invading Iraq. A little truth would be nice but it isnt gonna happen with these criminals in power.
People don't want the truth anyway, there still harping on about wepons of mass destruction and how it's saddams fault.Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
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jlew24asu wrote:why is this such a shock to you? do you understand that Oil is one of the, if not thee, most valuable commodity in the world? at the present time, it is needed to keep economies running. its not greed that is keep them there. its necessity
I agree, except there's only one problem - its THEIR oil, not ours. Concocting stories to invade Middle East contries, or fabricating reasons to plant ourselves there won't work. If you don't think ownership of said resource is important, then hey, I say countries from around the globe should start pilfereing American oil, from American soil, and start doing so on the flimsiest of reasons. It has nothing to do with necessity, unless you buy into the "might is right" argument.
Ya know, I'm starting to think thgat we in the West don't want oil self-sufficiency. B/c achieving that robs us of one of the primary ruses for being in the Middle East.0 -
Truthmonger wrote:I agree, except there's only one problem - its THEIR oil, not ours. Concocting stories to invade Middle East contries, or fabricating reasons to plant ourselves there won't work. If you don't think ownership of said resource is important, then hey, I say countries from around the globe should start pilfereing American oil, from American soil, and start doing so on the flimsiest of reasons. It has nothing to do with necessity, unless you buy into the "might is right" argument.
Ya know, I'm starting to think thgat we in the West don't want oil self-sufficiency. B/c achieving that robs us of one of the primary ruses for being in the Middle East.
The framework is already set for military might and global domination. What do you do with the trillions and trillions already invested?
That shiny new Ferrari is burning a hole in your driveway, and you don't have a license to drive....however....you can just flick away any cop that pulls you over. The engine is running, and a hot babe giving you the eyes in the passenger seat. If you drive, millions of peoples lives will be negative affected, but you stand to gain everything.
What do you do?
Ultimately we need to find ways to harvest the sun. This is where it all comes from. Solar panels should be like sheets of paper. Can we find a clean method of storing sun energy?
This should be the focus. Maybe science says it's impossible, and this is the only alternative to ensure our survival.
It's kinda like crocs fighting over a drying up puddle of water in Africa.
I don't think enough effort has been made personally, but who am I to say what scientists do all day and think of?Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I love it how so many of you post on this board with such certainty that we are only in Iraq and the Middle East for oil. Nobody will deny the fact that oil plays a part, but it is a complex situation and there are benefits above and beyond oil that keeps the US involved with Middle Eastern affairs.
The fact is, the United States is involved in almost every corner of the globe as are many of the more developed/leading countries. The US has an immense impact on world affairs regardless if our military is in town or not for many reasons, be they economical, political or cultural.
It just sucks balls how the MT has been hijacked by like-minded people who "know" that the US is an evil empire ruled by corupt politicians and greedy corporations whose only ambitions are to feed their machines, fill their wallets and grab power by any means necessary. What is considered the "center" around here as far as discussion goes is sooooo scewed the left that its just rediculous.0 -
NCfan wrote:I love it how so many of you post on this board with such certainty that we are only in Iraq and the Middle East for oil. Nobody will deny the fact that oil plays a part, but it is a complex situation and there are benefits above and beyond oil that keeps the US involved with Middle Eastern affairs.
The fact is, the United States is involved in almost every corner of the globe as are many of the more developed/leading countries. The US has an immense impact on world affairs regardless if our military is in town or not for many reasons, be they economical, political or cultural.
It just sucks balls how the MT has been hijacked by like-minded people who "know" that the US is an evil empire ruled by corupt politicians and greedy corporations whose only ambitions are to feed their machines, fill their wallets and grab power by any means necessary. What is considered the "center" around here as far as discussion goes is sooooo scewed the left that its just rediculous.
its not that we're like minded or that we know....we just look at the facts and it screams what it is.....why aren't we in Africa???? Why didn't we go after North Korea??? Oil...there's no grey area...and one really has to suppress facts to think otherwise. Oh never mind...its Sadaams fault.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0
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