OPEC is the real winner with high oil prices. But don't kid yourself, the oil industry is only a fraction of corporate America and their influence on foreign policy is not trumped by all the others who are getting fleaced by $70 a barrell oil. (Do you think Detroit is pyschyed about $70 oil? Do you think Wall Street is pysched about it?)
Not to mention the American voters are pissed about the price. It's not like Dick Cheney and George Bush are the whipping boys of the oil industry - they have a lot of people answer to and hand out favors.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It's not about stealing oil and handing it out for nothing. It's about controlling it so that it's available for certain people when it's needed. Nothing ever gets cheaper. Go to your local star bucks and order a latte. Should Starbucks etc.. be near free for Americans because it's American owned? That's not exactly how it works.
What's a lot more concerning is the 7 trillion Americans have to pay out in massive taxes at some point and get absolutely nothing in return.
Not sure what you mean by "controlling" the oil in Iraq for certain people - especially the "when it's needed" part. As if all oil producing nations have oil derecks and other infastructure just sitting there not pumping, saving that oil for "those" that "need it".
It's all about money... the oil is for sale, and as supply dwindles, the price goes up. Whoever is willing to pay that price be it the Japanese, Chinese or Europeans is who will get the oil.
Ya know that points out another problem with you reasoning. If America couldn't get the oil, or we couldn't afford it - then I could consider us invading to "grab" what we otherwise could not get. But since we have no shortage of oil imports, and our economy is pumping along impressively even with record oil prices - it just adds to the reasons of why I can't buy the argument that we are there solely for an oil grab.
why is this such a shock to you? do you understand that Oil is one of the, if not thee, most valuable commodity in the world? at the present time, it is needed to keep economies running. its not greed that is keep them there. its necessity
i guess it's a leaders responsability to protect the interests of his people. at this point in time; a loss of oil would mean a collapse of not only the economy; but it's civilization. those of you living in the city have a simple walk to the grocery. but what would you do if there was no food there? it's more than just oil. until we learn to live without oil; it will remain the life blood of our economies and survival.
Those same dems who screamed bloody murder about you going in in the first place? You can't tell me you actually believe that the entire force would pull out in a four year span if the dems won. Don't kid yourself.
Did you pay attention when your boys first went in as to what they did secure? Was it the museum? No. Was it the health and welfare of the people? No. Was it the cache of arms that were locked with a twist tie? No. It was the oil fields and they couldn't even do that right.
If I didn't think you worked for the government, I would wonder what rock you crawled out from with the stories you believe in.
Insults usually indicate a form of retribution for the lack of argument, which seems to be the case here. I certainly hope our troops didn't try to secure a fucking museum first in the middle of a war, LOL!
Securing "the health and welfare of the people"... that isn't even comparable to infastructure, like oil fields. The cache of arms? You act as if there were all piled up in the middle of Baghdad with a bow on top! Truth is people probably hid their weapons.
And here is a reason for the oil fields being a top priority, hmmmmmm, could it be that they are Iraqi's largest asset? Could it be that they were ESSENTIAL to rebuilding Iraq once the government was toppled and they were a critical aspect of the plan going in to use the oil revenue so the Iraqi's could foot more of the bill to give them a decent governemtn???
There are logical explanations worth discussing for all of these things, but for whatever reason you'd rather chalk my view up to living under a rock... typical MT.
Not sure what you mean by "controlling" the oil in Iraq for certain people - especially the "when it's needed" part. As if all oil producing nations have oil derecks and other infastructure just sitting there not pumping, saving that oil for "those" that "need it".
It's all about money... the oil is for sale, and as supply dwindles, the price goes up. Whoever is willing to pay that price be it the Japanese, Chinese or Europeans is who will get the oil.
Ya know that points out another problem with you reasoning. If America couldn't get the oil, or we couldn't afford it - then I could consider us invading to "grab" what we otherwise could not get. But since we have no shortage of oil imports, and our economy is pumping along impressively even with record oil prices - it just adds to the reasons of why I can't buy the argument that we are there solely for an oil grab.
It's about control. Control or resources, control of people, places, and things as long as America is at the top (as outlined in PNAC)
I really don't think it's much more complicated than that.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i guess it's a leaders responsability to protect the interests of his people. at this point in time; a loss of oil would mean a collapse of not only the economy; but it's civilization. those of you living in the city have a simple walk to the grocery. but what would you do if there was no food there? it's more than just oil. until we learn to live without oil; it will remain the life blood of our economies and survival.
sad but true isnt it? I will be the first to stand and cheer when we loose our dependence on oil. I dont own a car, but when I have the need for one again, it will be an alternative fuel car for sure.
"The White House said the bill could actually lead to higher crude oil and gasoline prices, and that foreign nations would likely retaliate by limiting U.S. access to global oil supply."
"The White House said the bill could actually lead to higher crude oil and gasoline prices, and that foreign nations would likely retaliate by limiting U.S. access to global oil supply."
The White House says a lot of things. And when they say them, they usually cover their asses by using words like "could" and "likely." Trust me, I know. I do the same thing whenever I'm trying to cover my ass.
It's about control. Control or resources, control of people, places, and things as long as America is at the top (as outlined in PNAC)
I really don't think it's much more complicated than that.
There is a fine line to walk when it comes to taking pro-active measures to ensue the survival of your country and/or it's social norms. For the majority of this country's existance we have been mostly isolationist, but the two world wars of the 20th century pushed us in a new direction, and the cold war and ensuring technology revoloution that created globalization are making the judgement call harder and harder to make.
Take for instance Bush's reasoning for invading Iraq. Both positions of supporting or being against the war were justified. Most Americans in the begining bought into the argument that we need to overthrow Saddam and make sure he didn't have WMD's - that was a justifiable pro-active measure in many people's eyes. Now, becuase the war went so badly and we didn't find weapons, most have changed their minds.
In the 50's and 60's our country did all sorts of nasty shit, and we felt it was justified to prevent another massive war - and becuase Amerians felt we were morally superior to others I would say. Vietnam and the late 60's kind of changed all that, and Watergate in the 70's totally disifranchised people from their government. Although we still did shady shit in the 80's and 90's, it just wasn't excepted like it was in earlier decades.
Now Americans totally don't approve of things that were normal back then - spying, torture, Abu Ghraib, Guantanomo, the Patriot Act. We are moving in the right direction with Americans respecting other countries and their right to their own culture, religion and politics.
If it weren't for the recent Islamic fundamentalist movement that seemingly culminated with 9/11 - we would still be sitting back not doing shit when something bad happens in the world.
I really think people have over-reacted to the Iraq war and the polarizing president we have. We are not out to rule the world and control everybody. Those are just cheap claims becuase America is currently struggling with it's new foreign policy in the Middle East.
The White House says a lot of things. And when they say them, they usually cover their asses by using words like "could" and "likely." Trust me, I know. I do the same thing whenever I'm trying to cover my ass.
War for oil. Not war for cheap oil.
well in this case, if we sue the organization who controls oil, the price of oil would "likely" go up. seems like white house propaganda to you, but its true.
"The White House said the bill could actually lead to higher crude oil and gasoline prices, and that foreign nations would likely retaliate by limiting U.S. access to global oil supply."
The US is the largest consumer/customer of oil in the world. Along with that status comes some kind of purchasing power. Who's going to sell it, and to whom, if the US cannot get access to it?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I missed us going into Africa, deposing a leader and putting in a couple of hundred thousand troops. Course I really would have wished it would have stopped the genocide from happening.....hmmmm. We only invaded two countries....Afganistan to rid the Taliban and Iraq for their oil....oh and as a nice bonus...help VP's company out....simple...really simple.
Hang on afganistan was about the oil pipe line that needed to be built through it. Not the taliban.
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The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
The US is the largest consumer/customer of oil in the world. Along with that status comes some kind of purchasing power. Who's going to sell it, and to whom, if the US cannot get access to it?
There are over 2 billion oil-thirsty Chinese and Indians who are increasingly becoming more and more dependent on oil as their economies and cultures progress at a record pace. They'll gladly buy all the oil the Middle East and Russia can pump out. Not to mention the japanese, with the second largest economy in the world import almost 90% of their oil. There are plenty of suitors for the Petrocrats in the Middle East.
The notion that aside from everything that has happened in the past (a lot of it not too long ago), The US govt now dons angelic halos and spreads peace throughout the world by exercising military might and arming nations for the sake of helping everyone be themselves and to walk on their own two feet...even in spite their own best interests.
Well...that just seems naive to me.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
well in this case, if we sue the organization who controls oil, the price of oil would "likely" go up. seems like white house propaganda to you, but its true.
Fair enough - but I never called it propaganda. I called it a dodge - or CYA. There's a difference.
When the White House, or any organization for that matter, uses words like "should" and "likely," they're just pitching back their side of the argument without making any definite, refutable statements. It's part of their argument, but it's not propaganda as I see it, because it's an actual possibility. Why anyone would listen to them these days is a different story.
Propaganda is saying that "Islamofacists are a threat to our society." Propaganda is implying that it's possible for a bunch of disorganized, hateful, self-destructively violent groups to overthrow the United States and impose Sharia law. Propaganda is claiming that a few matches in an isolated fuel line have the potential to destroy an entire airport. Propaganda is when you tie someone like Saddam Hussein, a secular dictator, to an Islamic fundamentalist organization. Maybe it's just this way to me, but propaganda is laying out flatly false or impossible scenerios and selling them as either the truth or as serious possibilities.
The notion that aside from everything that has happened in the past (a lot of it not too long ago), The US govt now dons angelic halos and spreads peace throughout the world by exercising military might and arming nations for the sake of helping everyone be themselves and to walk on their own two feet...even in spite their own best interests.
Well...that just seems naive to me.
I think so too. Didn't say any of the things you mention above. We've been making plenty of blunders lately, but I hardly think they are reason to say we are trying to rule the world.
We're in a bad mix of an unpopular war, that carries a legitimate view that it is unnecessary, with an increcibly polarizing president who is an extremely poor leader. On the whole, however, I would say the American people have evolved far beyond just a few decades ago where we thought the rest of the world were savages that we needed to save. Most of the is because we didn't feel threatened after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Some of us are starting to feel threatened again, but even those that are still don't support torture, Guantanamo, high casualties in war, etc... showing that we have progressed as a society.
Now, if something major were to happen to the US, the gloves would come off....
exactly. thats why bush and cheney authorized 9/11.
Really i was under the impression that 9/11 was comitted by terrorists, my bad.
You learn something new every day, huh!
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
There are over 2 billion oil-thirsty Chinese and Indians who are increasingly becoming more and more dependent on oil as their economies and cultures progress at a record pace. They'll gladly buy all the oil the Middle East and Russia can pump out. Not to mention the japanese, with the second largest economy in the world import almost 90% of their oil. There are plenty of suitors for the Petrocrats in the Middle East.
I'm guessing that 20+ million barrels per day consumption isn't going to happen overnight. Probably in 10-15 years of growth at least. Add in geographical limitation...probably longer. It's still not going to be given away.
edit: I suppose someone will take it. Pump it back into the ground in a different location. I'm not an economist but I would imagine the US has some say in how prices are to be set.
I'm sure there's a good portion of secret gentleman's club going on...and Bush and Cheney (the entire lot of them no?) are international oil players after all.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Really i was under the impression that 9/11 was comitted by terrorists, my bad.
You learn something new every day, huh!
but im confused. if bush and cheney didnt authorize 9/11 what other reason would they have used to invade Afghanistan so they can build the pipeline you speak of? being how you believe that is the reason we invaded there.
I think so too. Didn't say any of the things you mention above. We've been making plenty of blunders lately, but I hardly think they are reason to say we are trying to rule the world.
We're in a bad mix of an unpopular war, that carries a legitimate view that it is unnecessary, with an increcibly polarizing president who is an extremely poor leader. On the whole, however, I would say the American people have evolved far beyond just a few decades ago where we thought the rest of the world were savages that we needed to save. Most of the is because we didn't feel threatened after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Some of us are starting to feel threatened again, but even those that are still don't support torture, Guantanamo, high casualties in war, etc... showing that we have progressed as a society.
Now, if something major were to happen to the US, the gloves would come off....
Come on seriously don't you see the propaganda?
Regan declared war on them there evil terrorists when he came into office to. Don't ya smell something fishy. 20 odd years later, war on terrorism just different supposed terrorists.
"Upon taking office in January 1981, Reagan outlined his new foreign policy in a speech by Alexander Haig, which boiled down to: "International terrorism will take the place of human rights in our concern."[5] Thus, the 1979 US destabilization program using terrorist groups to lure the Soviets into Afghanistan was used by the US to call the Soviet invasion "terrorism" and to point to that invasion as a model for the newly invented phenomenon of "Soviet-backed terrorism" around the world."
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
but im confused. if bush and cheney didnt authorize 9/11 what other reason would they have used to invade Afghanistan so they can build the pipeline you speak of? being how you believe that is the reason we invaded there.
Eh but 9/11 was a suprise attack.
Jlew have you done any interesting reading of late? Maybe a few books on propaganda, corporations, i don't know the economy there's so much interesting info out there and from far more intellegent people than those who write the news.
Try it you might learn something different.
Are you worried about your economy because it's not looking to good.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Jlew have you done any interesting reading of late? Maybe a few books on propaganda, corporations, i don't know the economy there's so much interesting info out there and from far more intellegent people than those who write the news.
I agree. show me some examples of what has enlighten you lately
Are you worried about your economy because it's not looking to good.
wow really? what should I be worried? low unemployment? record high stock market? an ecomony strong enough to shrug off high oil prices and a fall in home prices? yea, i'm worried.
tell me, since you seem to think we are on the brink of collapse, show me some statistical data backing up your claim that I should be worried. I didnt think so.
sad but true isnt it? I will be the first to stand and cheer when we loose our dependence on oil. I dont own a car, but when I have the need for one again, it will be an alternative fuel car for sure.
maybe if the oil companies would stop selling any oil product for 1 week; these people would see the importance. i'm 100% solar but i still need trucks to move my product. gas should be $20.00/gallon and $15.00 per gallon should go to repairing the enviornment. the generation that ignored the warnings and suppressed solar advancement will pay to correct what they did.
ok you obviously do not know what sarcasim is. america did not invade afgahistan to build a pipeline. ok?
I agree. show me some examples of what has enlighten you lately
wow really? what should I be worried? low unemployment? record high stock market? an ecomony strong enough to shrug off high oil prices and a fall in home prices? yea, i'm worried.
tell me, since you seem to think we are on the brink of collapse, show me some statistical data backing up your claim that I should be worried. I didnt think so.
I know sarcasim, don't worry.
Start with some noam chomsky.
It's not just america where the economy is a worry, i'm just suprised none of you ever mention it. America has the worlds biggest debt and nice low taxes at some point it will have to be payed for. 7 trillion is a shitload of debt.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I've read alot of noam and his stuff if garbage. not surprised you would throw out that name. next you are going to tell me about whatreallyhappened.com
It's not just america where the economy is a worry, i'm just suprised none of you ever mention it. America has the worlds biggest debt and nice low taxes at some point it will have to be payed for. 7 trillion is a shitload of debt.
hmm so I guess we should raise taxes. I mean, that would pay off the debt right? our debt can be managed easily with the strong economy and a cut in spending. we just need to latter to happen. my fingers are crossed.
I've read alot of noam and his stuff if garbage. not surprised you would throw out that name. next you are going to tell me about whatreallyhappened.com
Nope don't read whatreallyhappened.com i like to stick to books.
Is noam one of them there conspiricy theriosts then?
Are all book with a more unbiased view that just tell things as they actually are without the spin, conspiricy to you?
hmm so I guess we should raise taxes. I mean, that would pay off the debt right? our debt can be managed easily with the strong economy and a cut in spending. we just need to latter to happen. my fingers are crossed.
I'm not saying what america should do about it's economy just suprised none of you are concerned, there's a lot of talk about our economy here, and on reading up on it, i have read some interesting stuff on the american economy to.
Unfortunately history tells us that what goes up must come down. When the traders hype up the economy and say everything is going to be just fine and dandy is usually the time it isn't.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
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Bush admin opposes Democratic push to sue OPEC
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2242484120070522
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Not sure what you mean by "controlling" the oil in Iraq for certain people - especially the "when it's needed" part. As if all oil producing nations have oil derecks and other infastructure just sitting there not pumping, saving that oil for "those" that "need it".
It's all about money... the oil is for sale, and as supply dwindles, the price goes up. Whoever is willing to pay that price be it the Japanese, Chinese or Europeans is who will get the oil.
Ya know that points out another problem with you reasoning. If America couldn't get the oil, or we couldn't afford it - then I could consider us invading to "grab" what we otherwise could not get. But since we have no shortage of oil imports, and our economy is pumping along impressively even with record oil prices - it just adds to the reasons of why I can't buy the argument that we are there solely for an oil grab.
i guess it's a leaders responsability to protect the interests of his people. at this point in time; a loss of oil would mean a collapse of not only the economy; but it's civilization. those of you living in the city have a simple walk to the grocery. but what would you do if there was no food there? it's more than just oil. until we learn to live without oil; it will remain the life blood of our economies and survival.
Insults usually indicate a form of retribution for the lack of argument, which seems to be the case here. I certainly hope our troops didn't try to secure a fucking museum first in the middle of a war, LOL!
Securing "the health and welfare of the people"... that isn't even comparable to infastructure, like oil fields. The cache of arms? You act as if there were all piled up in the middle of Baghdad with a bow on top! Truth is people probably hid their weapons.
And here is a reason for the oil fields being a top priority, hmmmmmm, could it be that they are Iraqi's largest asset? Could it be that they were ESSENTIAL to rebuilding Iraq once the government was toppled and they were a critical aspect of the plan going in to use the oil revenue so the Iraqi's could foot more of the bill to give them a decent governemtn???
There are logical explanations worth discussing for all of these things, but for whatever reason you'd rather chalk my view up to living under a rock... typical MT.
It's about control. Control or resources, control of people, places, and things as long as America is at the top (as outlined in PNAC)
I really don't think it's much more complicated than that.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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sad but true isnt it? I will be the first to stand and cheer when we loose our dependence on oil. I dont own a car, but when I have the need for one again, it will be an alternative fuel car for sure.
"The White House said the bill could actually lead to higher crude oil and gasoline prices, and that foreign nations would likely retaliate by limiting U.S. access to global oil supply."
War for oil. Not war for cheap oil.
There is a fine line to walk when it comes to taking pro-active measures to ensue the survival of your country and/or it's social norms. For the majority of this country's existance we have been mostly isolationist, but the two world wars of the 20th century pushed us in a new direction, and the cold war and ensuring technology revoloution that created globalization are making the judgement call harder and harder to make.
Take for instance Bush's reasoning for invading Iraq. Both positions of supporting or being against the war were justified. Most Americans in the begining bought into the argument that we need to overthrow Saddam and make sure he didn't have WMD's - that was a justifiable pro-active measure in many people's eyes. Now, becuase the war went so badly and we didn't find weapons, most have changed their minds.
In the 50's and 60's our country did all sorts of nasty shit, and we felt it was justified to prevent another massive war - and becuase Amerians felt we were morally superior to others I would say. Vietnam and the late 60's kind of changed all that, and Watergate in the 70's totally disifranchised people from their government. Although we still did shady shit in the 80's and 90's, it just wasn't excepted like it was in earlier decades.
Now Americans totally don't approve of things that were normal back then - spying, torture, Abu Ghraib, Guantanomo, the Patriot Act. We are moving in the right direction with Americans respecting other countries and their right to their own culture, religion and politics.
If it weren't for the recent Islamic fundamentalist movement that seemingly culminated with 9/11 - we would still be sitting back not doing shit when something bad happens in the world.
I really think people have over-reacted to the Iraq war and the polarizing president we have. We are not out to rule the world and control everybody. Those are just cheap claims becuase America is currently struggling with it's new foreign policy in the Middle East.
well in this case, if we sue the organization who controls oil, the price of oil would "likely" go up. seems like white house propaganda to you, but its true.
The US is the largest consumer/customer of oil in the world. Along with that status comes some kind of purchasing power. Who's going to sell it, and to whom, if the US cannot get access to it?
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Hang on afganistan was about the oil pipe line that needed to be built through it. Not the taliban.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
There are over 2 billion oil-thirsty Chinese and Indians who are increasingly becoming more and more dependent on oil as their economies and cultures progress at a record pace. They'll gladly buy all the oil the Middle East and Russia can pump out. Not to mention the japanese, with the second largest economy in the world import almost 90% of their oil. There are plenty of suitors for the Petrocrats in the Middle East.
Well...that just seems naive to me.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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When the White House, or any organization for that matter, uses words like "should" and "likely," they're just pitching back their side of the argument without making any definite, refutable statements. It's part of their argument, but it's not propaganda as I see it, because it's an actual possibility. Why anyone would listen to them these days is a different story.
Propaganda is saying that "Islamofacists are a threat to our society." Propaganda is implying that it's possible for a bunch of disorganized, hateful, self-destructively violent groups to overthrow the United States and impose Sharia law. Propaganda is claiming that a few matches in an isolated fuel line have the potential to destroy an entire airport. Propaganda is when you tie someone like Saddam Hussein, a secular dictator, to an Islamic fundamentalist organization. Maybe it's just this way to me, but propaganda is laying out flatly false or impossible scenerios and selling them as either the truth or as serious possibilities.
exactly. thats why bush and cheney authorized 9/11.
I think so too. Didn't say any of the things you mention above. We've been making plenty of blunders lately, but I hardly think they are reason to say we are trying to rule the world.
We're in a bad mix of an unpopular war, that carries a legitimate view that it is unnecessary, with an increcibly polarizing president who is an extremely poor leader. On the whole, however, I would say the American people have evolved far beyond just a few decades ago where we thought the rest of the world were savages that we needed to save. Most of the is because we didn't feel threatened after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Some of us are starting to feel threatened again, but even those that are still don't support torture, Guantanamo, high casualties in war, etc... showing that we have progressed as a society.
Now, if something major were to happen to the US, the gloves would come off....
Really i was under the impression that 9/11 was comitted by terrorists, my bad.
You learn something new every day, huh!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I'm guessing that 20+ million barrels per day consumption isn't going to happen overnight. Probably in 10-15 years of growth at least. Add in geographical limitation...probably longer. It's still not going to be given away.
edit: I suppose someone will take it. Pump it back into the ground in a different location. I'm not an economist but I would imagine the US has some say in how prices are to be set.
I'm sure there's a good portion of secret gentleman's club going on...and Bush and Cheney (the entire lot of them no?) are international oil players after all.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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but im confused. if bush and cheney didnt authorize 9/11 what other reason would they have used to invade Afghanistan so they can build the pipeline you speak of? being how you believe that is the reason we invaded there.
Come on seriously don't you see the propaganda?
Regan declared war on them there evil terrorists when he came into office to. Don't ya smell something fishy. 20 odd years later, war on terrorism just different supposed terrorists.
"Upon taking office in January 1981, Reagan outlined his new foreign policy in a speech by Alexander Haig, which boiled down to: "International terrorism will take the place of human rights in our concern."[5] Thus, the 1979 US destabilization program using terrorist groups to lure the Soviets into Afghanistan was used by the US to call the Soviet invasion "terrorism" and to point to that invasion as a model for the newly invented phenomenon of "Soviet-backed terrorism" around the world."
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Eh but 9/11 was a suprise attack.
Jlew have you done any interesting reading of late? Maybe a few books on propaganda, corporations, i don't know the economy there's so much interesting info out there and from far more intellegent people than those who write the news.
Try it you might learn something different.
Are you worried about your economy because it's not looking to good.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I agree. show me some examples of what has enlighten you lately
wow really? what should I be worried? low unemployment? record high stock market? an ecomony strong enough to shrug off high oil prices and a fall in home prices? yea, i'm worried.
tell me, since you seem to think we are on the brink of collapse, show me some statistical data backing up your claim that I should be worried. I didnt think so.
maybe if the oil companies would stop selling any oil product for 1 week; these people would see the importance. i'm 100% solar but i still need trucks to move my product. gas should be $20.00/gallon and $15.00 per gallon should go to repairing the enviornment. the generation that ignored the warnings and suppressed solar advancement will pay to correct what they did.
I know sarcasim, don't worry.
Start with some noam chomsky.
It's not just america where the economy is a worry, i'm just suprised none of you ever mention it. America has the worlds biggest debt and nice low taxes at some point it will have to be payed for. 7 trillion is a shitload of debt.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/08/opinion/main686839.shtml
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
you just lost all credability with me.
hmm so I guess we should raise taxes. I mean, that would pay off the debt right? our debt can be managed easily with the strong economy and a cut in spending. we just need to latter to happen. my fingers are crossed.
Nope don't read whatreallyhappened.com i like to stick to books.
Is noam one of them there conspiricy theriosts then?
Are all book with a more unbiased view that just tell things as they actually are without the spin, conspiricy to you?
I'm not saying what america should do about it's economy just suprised none of you are concerned, there's a lot of talk about our economy here, and on reading up on it, i have read some interesting stuff on the american economy to.
Unfortunately history tells us that what goes up must come down. When the traders hype up the economy and say everything is going to be just fine and dandy is usually the time it isn't.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
dude. I was joking. I was just saying that so spiral would finally agree with something I write.
Its fair to say I do not believe that statement.