Obama starting to show true colors

mammasan
mammasan Posts: 5,656
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
Obama is rethinking his position on off shore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy plan. So much for his campaign for change.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Oh, no, don't worry - he's just doing this cos it's what he has to do to get elected. Who needs principles and honesty when you can have votes?
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  • yoke
    yoke Posts: 1,440
    of course he is re-thinking it... its what the polls are showing. All he is doing is going for votes. He will say whatever he has to become the POTUS and his flock will follow him.

    I just hope that McCain hammers him on this.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    hope you idiots dont get the government you deserve
  • yoke
    yoke Posts: 1,440
    yield6 wrote:
    hope you idiots dont get the government you deserve



    thanks I guess
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  • DixieN
    DixieN Posts: 351
    mammasan wrote:
    Obama is rethinking his position on off shore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy plan. So much for his campaign for change.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html

    Anyone too stupid to understand the art of political compromise is too stupid to be president. Obama is anything but stupid. If the American people are stupid enough to believe off-shore drilling is critical to the US (and I hate to say it, but Americans, as a whole believe a lot of stupid, stupid things are critical to the US--see current president for proof), they won't elect someone who continues to stick exclusively to the realistic assessment that off-shore drilling isn't any panacea. If Obama accommodates a bit of perception, which will drive a huge part of the election, he's doing the right thing for himself and for those of us depending on him to get the bums out. He will be sticking to his campaign for change. Get the bums out. That is the ultimate in change.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    DixieN wrote:
    Obama is anything but stupid.

    He's also anything but honest.
    DixieN wrote:
    he's doing the right thing for himself and for those of us depending on him to get the bums out. He will be sticking to his campaign for change. Get the bums out. That is the ultimate in change.

    Oh wow.
    go ahead and throw this in to the pile with the rest of Obamas great big "accomplishments".

    "the bums" are leaving, Obama or otherwise.
    If this is the "ultimate change" you speak of, may i be the first to proclaim "whoopity fucking woo"?
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  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    DixieN wrote:
    Anyone too stupid to understand the art of political compromise is too stupid to be president. Obama is anything but stupid. If the American people are stupid enough to believe off-shore drilling is critical to the US (and I hate to say it, but Americans, as a whole believe a lot of stupid, stupid things are critical to the US--see current president for proof), they won't elect someone who continues to stick exclusively to the realistic assessment that off-shore drilling isn't any panacea. If Obama accommodates a bit of perception, which will drive a huge part of the election, he's doing the right thing for himself and for those of us depending on him to get the bums out. He will be sticking to his campaign for change. Get the bums out. That is the ultimate in change.

    Well Said. The average citizen isnt smart enough to realize that even if Congress agreed to offshore drilling yesterday, we wouldnt see any increased oil supplies for YEARS!

    The whole thing is a scam, but if Obama doesnt play along, McCain will win. It's a game and you have to roll with the punches and remain flexible. Obama is still Obama, he just has to cater to all the interests to get votes. He can do whatever he wants after he gets elected, thats what the "compassionate conservative" Bush did!
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Since when does compromise=change?

    that word seems as interchangeable to Obama supporters these days... even though clearly they don't know what a fucking compromise means.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Well Said. The average citizen isnt smart enough to realize that even if Congress agreed to offshore drilling yesterday, we wouldnt see any increased oil supplies for YEARS!

    The whole thing is a scam, but if Obama doesnt play along, McCain will win. It's a game and you have to roll with the punches and remain flexible. Obama is still Obama, he just has to cater to all the interests to get votes. He can do whatever he wants after he gets elected, thats what the "compassionate conservative" Bush did!
    The end justifies the means, right? FISA, Patriot Act, Blackwater, offshore drilling... whatever it takes to get Obama's ass in the Oval Office. If power matters more to him than standing up for the rights of the US citizens... are you sure him being able to do whatever he wants is a good thing?
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    after he gets elected, his supporters will justify the bullshit he does in office by saying "...BUT RE-ELECTION IS IN 4 YEARS, HE HAS TO DO IT TO GET RE-ELECTED!"
    :rolleyes:
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    _outlaw wrote:
    after he gets elected, his supporters will justify the bullshit he does in office by saying "...BUT RE-ELECTION IS IN 4 YEARS, HE HAS TO DO IT TO GET RE-ELECTED!"
    :rolleyes:

    Totally.
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  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    The end justifies the means, right? FISA, Patriot Act, Blackwater, offshore drilling... whatever it takes to get Obama's ass in the Oval Office. If power matters more to him than standing up for the rights of the US citizens... are you sure him being able to do whatever he wants is a good thing?

    Dude I hate politics and I hate the current course we are on...people can go ahead and vote for Nadar or Paul or some "superior" third party candidate but the reality is...either McCain or Obama will be the next president. I pick Obama.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Dude I hate politics and I hate the current course we are on...people can go ahead and vote for Nadar or Paul or some "superior" third party candidate but the reality is...either McCain or Obama will be the next president. I pick Obama.

    As long as people keep thinking that way, then of course a Nader will never win and America will never truly move forward.

    You have to start small, the movement must grow. it takes time. every 4 years you make steps forward. not backwards.

    But most Americans don't have patience for that. They want everything to be as quick as a McDonalds Big Mac.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    MrBrian wrote:
    They want everything to be as quick as a McDonalds Big Mac.

    ... and about as healthy too.

    I thought you cast your vote for the RIGHT person.

    This isn't supposed to be a derivatives game like the stock market.
    In other words, in the game of trading the aim is NOT to bet which way YOU think the market is going to go ... it is to bet on which way you think OTHER people think the market is going to go. And then you take it out to the 3rd derivative -- which way to you think that other people think that other people think the market is going to go. and the 4th and 5th and so forth and so on.

    JUST PICK THE GODDAMN PERSON YOU LIKE BEST.
    Sheesh, folks.

    Maybe if you put your balls on the table and just voted with your heart instead of the damaged portion of your brain which keeps flashing "danger danger! if you vote for the right guy, we might all be fucked!" and just went with it ... like MrBrian said, one day, maybe 8 years down the line, the election results would show enough people voting for the right guy for the system to give that person a chance.

    But instead its this instant gratification crap.
    Aw man, but McDonalds says they are only making BigMacs or QuarterPounders right now, and if i want a McSalad i have to pull over and wait for five minutes. I guess i should go for the QuarterPounder since it is "less bad" than a BigMac and everyone else seems to be ordering them.

    :rolleyes:

    Wow.
    Now we're doing Fast Food \ Politics metaphors.

    AWESOME.
    :D
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    ... and about as healthy too.

    I thought you cast your vote for the RIGHT person.

    This isn't supposed to be a derivatives game like the stock market.
    In other words, in the game of trading the aim is NOT to bet which way YOU think the market is going to go ... it is to bet on which way you think OTHER people think the market is going to go. And then you take it out to the 3rd derivative -- which way to you think that other people think that other people think the market is going to go. and the 4th and 5th and so forth and so on.

    JUST PICK THE GODDAMN PERSON YOU LIKE BEST.
    Sheesh, folks.

    Maybe if you put your balls on the table and just voted with your heart instead of the damaged portion of your brain which keeps flashing "danger danger! if you vote for the right guy, we might all be fucked!" and just went with it ... like MrBrian said, one day, maybe 8 years down the line, the election results would show enough people voting for the right guy for the system to give that person a chance.

    But instead its this instant gratification crap.
    Aw man, but McDonalds says they are only making BigMacs or QuarterPounders right now, and if i want a McSalad i have to pull over and wait for five minutes. I guess i should go for the QuarterPounder since it is "less bad" than a BigMac and everyone else seems to be ordering them.

    :rolleyes:

    Wow.
    Now we're doing Fast Food \ Politics metaphors.

    AWESOME.
    :D

    haha! I swear dude, only when i'm talking about American Politics do I sometimes throw in fast food lines or whatever else. It just makes more sense.

    you know, 1 Big Mac =1000 Iraqi
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    MrBrian wrote:
    As long as people keep thinking that way, then of course a Nader will never win and America will never truly move forward.

    You have to start small, the movement must grow. it takes time. every 4 years you make steps forward. not backwards.

    But most Americans don't have patience for that. They want everything to be as quick as a McDonalds Big Mac.

    Right- Obama is not my perfect candidate, but he is a small step forward.

    When its my time- I'll open the borders, lower taxes, slash the DoD budget in half, build trains along the interstates, support abortion, tuition reimbursement for all students who volunteer for two years after college, not worry about Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens, eliminate the fed, decriminalize pot, support after school programs, cut all faith-based initiatives, and oh yeah- NO GOVT BAILOUTS.
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Right- Obama is not my perfect candidate, but he is a small step forward.

    When its my time- I'll open the borders, lower taxes, slash the DoD budget in half, build trains along the interstates, support abortion, tuition reimbursement for all students who volunteer for two years after college, not worry about Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens, eliminate the fed, decriminalize pot, support after school programs, cut all faith-based initiatives, and oh yeah- NO GOVT BAILOUTS.

    Yeah but dude. Obama is One step forward, two steps back.

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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    MrBrian wrote:
    Yeah but dude. Obama is One step forward, two steps back.

    Eating a Burger..then throwing it back up. (maybe that didn't work?)
    It's like a McDonald's salad - looks healthy, and advertised as healthy, but it's still unhealthy as hell. :D
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    It's like a McDonald's salad - looks healthy, and advertised as healthy, but it's still unhealthy as hell. :D

    Yeah, but the salad is the lesser of the few evils.
    ;)
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Yeah, but the salad is the lesser of the few evils.
    ;)
    You could always just skip McDonald's altogether. And impeach Ronald McDonald while you're at it. :p
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