The mysterious disappearing thread

the reason the thread disappeared was because of the mention of Mohammed drinking goats spunk... thats why it was deleted i believe

Puck78 wrote:

But that's not against freedom of speech, it's about "you want to insult me? espect to be replied"

With violence, murder and manipulation? Meanwhile they insult and denigrate whomever they choose?

Yeah, that seems reasonable and level-headed:rolleyes:

It is against freedom of speech and freedom of expression. When one acts to silence, stifle and oppress any conflicting opinions or criticism through expressive arts; they are manipulating the situation. Especially when physical violence and murder is used as the vehicle.

The threat of violence, the act of violence over expressed opinions and expressive art, is manipulation designed to silence that criticism or opinion.

Wonder how Thomas Kloucek (former professor at DePaul University, is doing?:rolleyes:

NMyTree wrote:

That's not allowed.

As we have all seen, only nice, praiseful things can be said about Islam.

See Thomas Kloucek, former Professor at DePaul. See Cartoon caricatures in Europe.

See Thailand, where at this very moment a horde of Islam's finest are on a rampage murdering Buddists, by the thousands.

While Christianity's finest are killing innocent muslims in Iraq....do you really think there arent people who joined the military after the war simply b/c they thought it was their religious duty? Dont be so naive, people are people, there are just as many psycho's here as in the Middle East. We're just more capable of keeping them in check. Just read through local news briefs througout the country. Go into a church parking lot somewhere in the south, take out a picture of Jesus and burn it; you wouldnt live to see the next day.

Like Mohammad...its the truth.

-ed star



I ve meant some of the sweetest and most inspiring people in my life, who practice the Muslim religion. I gotta catch up with some of them. :(......They have taught me a lot about life......and have always been there for me.


Must be a coincidence that they are Muslim- or maybe just human.

-R*

Open wrote:

While Christianity's finest are killing innocent muslims in Iraq....do you really think there arent people who joined the military after the war simply b/c they thought it was their religious duty? Dont be so naive, people are people, there are just as many psycho's here as in the Middle East. We're just more capable of keeping them in check. Just read through local news briefs througout the country. Go into a church parking lot somewhere in the south, take out a picture of Jesus and burn it; you wouldnt live to see the next day.

You just don't get it and you are missing the point and theme of my comments.

If you were to read my pevious posts on this subject, from the last six months; you would understand my position and perspective here.

My comments are for the people who defend, justify and protect all Muslims and never, ever acknowledge or criticize the mindless, random violence, murder, oppression and descrimination by Muslims- onto others of non-muslim faith-all over the world.

We have more than a few people here who never criticize or acknowledge Mulims actions, regardless how horrific those actions. They turn a blind eye and deaf ear to all negative and violent Muslim behavior. There's never any real accountability and responsibility called upon the Muslim community.

Instead, they paint this charming picture of peaceful, tolerant, accepting Islam/Muslims. Which we know is as far from the truth, as saying George W. Bush Jr. is the reincarnation of Gandhi.

Muslims are exactly the same as any group of people on this planet. There are nice, good, loving, peaceful Muslims. There are bad, violent, hateful, murderous Muslims.

They are not all victims and they are not all innocent. There are plenty of Muslims who are just as guilty of the horrific attrocities everyone blames Americans, Brits and Israelies for. There is an ever growing number of intolerant, unaccepting, manipulative, violent Muslims-all over the world.

For god's sake, these people have a "non-believers Tax" ( Jizyah ) which they bully non-muslims to pay, in Islamic states, for being no-believers. What kind of crap is that?

As for Miller, if you took the time to consider his prose, you'd find Miller operates in a similar manner. While quite a bit more crude and abrasive than I, his message is very similar.

NMyTree wrote:

As for Miller, if you took the time to consider his prose, you'd find Miller operates in a similar manner. While quite a bit more crude and abrasive than I, his message is very similar.

yes, of course

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=3579346&postcount=2

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=3579392&postcount=10

so, where is his distinction between bad guys and good guys?

dayan wrote:

.... not to mention that today's world, given its political realities, requires that people start engaging with religion more seriously.

What the people of this world need now, is more spirituality and less religion.

Most people have completely abandoned spirituality for the social politics of thier chosen religion.

This world needs religion to become a personal and private matter, not a public, political and social matter.

Religion has been at the forefront of social, political and financial concerns for thousands of years. Look how well we're doing with this approach?

Whether it's true-believers or manipulaters using religion as a vehical for power, greed and control- the result is the same; descrimination, intolerance, unacceptance, hate, torture, violence and murder.

How long will it take for the people of this planet to realize, accept, acknowledge and admit this is not working? Then take steps to remove religion from the public platform, how long?" After we're all dead or nuked and dying?:rolleyes:

NMyTree wrote:

You just don't get it and you are missing the point and theme of my comments.

If you were to read my pevious posts on this subject, from the last six months; you would understand my position and perspective here.

My comments are for the people who defend, justify and protect all Muslims and never, ever acknowledge or criticize the mindless, random violence, murder, oppression and descrimination by Muslims- onto others of non-muslim faith-all over the world.

We have more than a few people here who never criticize or acknowledge Mulims actions, regardless how horrific those actions. They turn a blind eye and deaf ear to all negative and violent Muslim behavior. There's never any real accountability and responsibility called upon the Muslim community.

Instead, they paint this charming picture of peaceful, tolerant, accepting Islam/Muslims. Which we know is as far from the truth, as saying George W. Bush Jr. is the reincarnation of Gandhi.

Muslims are exactly the same as any group of people on this planet. There are nice, good, loving, peaceful Muslims. There are bad, violent, hateful, murderous Muslims.

They are not all victims and they are not all innocent. There are plenty of Muslims who are just as guilty of the horrific attrocities everyone blames Americans, Brits and Israelies for. There is an ever growing number of intolerant, unaccepting, manipulative, violent Muslims-all over the world.

For god's sake, these people have a "non-believers Tax" ( Jizyah ) which they bully non-muslims to pay, in Islamic states, for being no-believers. What kind of crap is that?

As for Miller, if you took the time to consider his prose, you'd find Miller operates in a similar manner. While quite a bit more crude and abrasive than I, his message is very similar.

Actually people bring up the peace and good of muslims b/c what the terrorists do is so obviously horrible. The tendency has been to lump the word terrorist with muslim, rather then just call them terrorists. When the KKK is in the news do you hear them called Christian terrorists, no, b/c it's obvious that those people dont stand for Christianity. Same concept applies to the terrorists in the middle east. What's happening in the middle east is innocent people are being killed to get the terrosts. When this happens you turn those innocent peoples family into terrorist, it's an endless cycle. Look at the OKC bombing, it was retaliation for what happened in Waco (not the best example but you get the idea). As far as miller goes, he's just the shock jock of the board...insignifigant and begging for attention.

NMyTree wrote:

That's what crude and abrasive means.

He won't make a distinction. That's his point and approach.

After years of watching the Islam/Muslim apologists circle the wagons and routinely defend their actions; I doubt you'll see him make any distinctions...any time soon.

So he's the same as the muslim apologist yet you defend him? Intersting.

Open wrote:

While Christianity's finest are killing innocent muslims in Iraq....do you really think there arent people who joined the military after the war simply b/c they thought it was their religious duty? Dont be so naive, people are people, there are just as many psycho's here as in the Middle East. We're just more capable of keeping them in check. Just read through local news briefs througout the country. Go into a church parking lot somewhere in the south, take out a picture of Jesus and burn it; you wouldnt live to see the next day.

Great post...not sure how anyone could argue with it.